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Depeche Mode - Remasters

Reply #26 –
I haven't got the time to perform spectral comparisons with Strangelove, but hey ! This DVD sounds like my vinyl ! I always thought that in the 80's, master tapes were especially tampered so as to give a right rendering once cut into vinyl, while their direct digital edition on CD sounds harsh.
My old vinyl - CD comparison showed a general spectral tendancy that I attributed to my cartridge : http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/VideoS...jet-87812-1.htm
More bass between 50 and 100 Hz, less treble between 3 kHz and 12 kHz. I'm eager to compare it with this DVD.

I tried to equalize the current CD of Some Great Reward so as to get a sound closer to the vinyl version, but the result was not convincing. The future remastered release should be very interesting.

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Reply #27 –
the DVD PCM is 24bit/48kHz... keytotime is using a software that can only do a lossy rip at the cost of 16bit conversion... I wonder if we need the original?

Are these remasters REALLY REALLY worth re-buying the catalogue?

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Reply #28 –
Yeah I'm sorry Virtualdub can only rip 16 bit audio. Does anybody know a program that can rip the 24bit audio?

Yes it is worth rebuying the catalog IMHO.

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Reply #29 –
In stereo, for me it's not worth rebuying Speak and Spell.
Music for the Masses, it depends on your sensitivity.
I think that Some Great Reward will be worth rebuying. The current version is not very good.

Violator, A Broken Frame, and Construction Time Again sound already wery well. The volume is quite low on Construction Time Again, but your playback system has a volume knob haven't it ?

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Reply #31 –
Which ANY SECOND NOW... You mean the (Voices) one, the (Altered) or the plain (Single Version)?

I was just comparing "Playing The Angel DVD PCM Stereo" with the CD PCM Version. Geez, how weird is sounding on CD! Feels much more distorted and clipping on about almost all songs. Sounds like Some Great Reward!

I also have SGR in vinyl and sounds terrible! LOL

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Reply #32 –
Quote from: Bourne on
Which ANY SECOND NOW... You mean the (Voices) one, the (Altered) or the plain (Single Version)?

I was just comparing "Playing The Angel DVD PCM Stereo" with the CD PCM Version. Geez, how weird is sounding on CD! Feels much more distorted and clipping on about almost all songs. Sounds like Some Great Reward!

I also have SGR in vinyl and sounds terrible! LOL

Huh!!?? I have the SACD/CD+DVD version and the DVD audiostream is exactly the CD stream resampled to 48kHz.

Edit:
Hmm.. i left it in the chamber and never looked deeper into it. After listening again it is different on my stereo. DVD-Player out versus Squeezebox. The DVD version isn´t that dramatic different but slightly more silent and really a bit more pleasant. When i listened on the PC a while back it sounded the same to me and i didn´t investigate.
I have to compare it more consequent.
Is troll-adiposity coming from feederism?
With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

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Reply #33 –
Quote from: Wombat on
Huh!!?? I have the SACD/CD+DVD version and the DVD audiostream is exactly the CD stream resampled to 48kHz.

Edit:
Hmm.. i left it in the chamber and never looked deeper into it. After listening again it is different on my stereo. DVD-Player out versus Squeezebox. The DVD version isn´t that dramatic different but slightly more silent and really a bit more pleasant. When i listened on the PC a while back it sounded the same to me and i didn´t investigate.
I have to compare it more consequent.


I have seen the spectral view from both DVD and CD PCMs and the DVD one looks like there's lots of room in it while the CD looks like a there's a cutoff or lowpass to its limit, if you compare the two.

If you edit them in CoolEdit and play the CD samples are clipping as hell (or at least showing that red mark non-stop), while the DVD is way below that limit.

Kinda weird how they screwed up on the CD.

Edit: grammar

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Reply #34 –
The DVD PCM stream seem to have the same source but were treated minimal different. Not that dramatic different sounding. The DVD just is clipping the same but seems to be altered -1 dB aftewards.  To be honest i hear more details in the CD.
@Bourne
If you look for clipping whith an editor and look for clipping samples the count on the CD results in a big value.
The DVD is just 1 dB more silent and doesn´t show any clipping in an editor. May it be you judged it this way?
It already made me wonder you hear no treble in Black Belebration but if anything on this recording is much it is highs.
Is troll-adiposity coming from feederism?
With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

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Reply #35 –
The Violator DVD Stereo tracks you can seen that there's an ACTUAL difference between the mastering of the album and the bonus tracks. The album is the current new remaster. The bonus tracks looks like the SAME STREAMS from the badly remastered "Singles Box Sets".

yeah wombat, i might have judged that way... i'm still on milk concerning all these technical aspects of audio. just reporting how it feels, coz I can feel that difference DVD vs CD. The DVD is indeed lower.

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Reply #36 –
Yes there is a drop off between 7.5 KHZ and 8.5 KHZ.

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Reply #37 –
Quote from: Bourne on
Which ANY SECOND NOW... You mean the (Voices) one, the (Altered) or the plain (Single Version)?


The (Voices) version.
In the old CD, the track plays slower and slower from the beginning to the end. The keynote is at 442 Hz at the beginning, and it ends at 430 Hz.

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Reply #38 –
As a Depeche Mode fan I'm reading this thread with curiosity. keep it up!

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Reply #39 –
I wanted to know how do I tamper the songs...

I want to burn a Violator CD (old mastering) with the b-sides of it. The problem is that the b-sides are in the Singles Box Remastered, and man, does that sound so bad!

So I'm looking into tampering the files so that they will "fit" together nicely with the Violator song levels and loudness, dinamics, etc.

In other words... how will I tamper "Sea Of Sin", "Happiest Girl", etc... coz they sound so bursting loud and irritating. Thanks.

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Reply #40 –
Quote from: Pio2001 on
In depmod.com forums, they mention "Any Second Now" not having the bass out of tune anymore at the end of the song : http://www.depmod.com/forum/viewthread.php...age=16#pid50195


INDEED... the bass gets out of tune in the OLD remastering piece. It had been always there. I always noticed something weird. Both in Vinyl and CD. Now the remasters correct that.

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Reply #41 –
Got Violator Old CD, and Violator SACD. Which song would be definitely worth to have a comparing sample? Let me know and I will post snippets.

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Reply #42 –
The original Violator sounds very well mastered to me.
I would say World in my Eyes, from 0'25.7" to 0'41.5". It is dynamic and the voice is equalized with some treble added. It is likely to suffer from remastering, if dynamics compression and equalisation are added.

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Reply #43 –
Here are the samples... I find the remastered version more "full" with bass, also I am not sure if the old CD is clearer, seems that the new sound now covers some of the details. Read somewhere that Enjoy The Silence did not benefit from this remastering, on contrary, screwed up with treble. I'm not sure if this is right. Looking forward to see your analysis Pio.

World In My Eyes - OLD CD: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....pe=post&id=2331

World In My Eyes - SACD Remaster:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....pe=post&id=2332

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Reply #44 –
The remastered version has less treble (-2 dB), and more bass (+3 dB on the left, +1 dB on the right).



The voice sounds thus more natural on the remastered version. The dynamics seem to be the same, but the percussion sound less present because of the lack of treble.
The stereo is a bit odd. After having applied a parametric lowpass of -60 dB from 500 to 1000 Hz, according to the level meter, the bass line is a little bit the the right on the original, and a little bit to the left on the remastering. That's why the spectral difference is not the same for the left and right channels. But the left and right channels themselves have not been inverted. The instruments are still on the same side.

I have no special preference. I would just stick with the original version, but that's just a way of saying "if it's not broken, don't fix it". Also, the "thin" sound of the original version is not a problem with HD600 headphones, that slightly emphases mid-bass. Maybe the remastered version sounds better with other speakers or headphones.

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Reply #45 –
yes there is lack of treble I think, and that is why I will stick with the original version, coz I think the lack of treble is a serious issue to my ears! Yeah, if it ain't broken don't fix it. I'm looking forward to 'Some Great Reward' and 'Black Celebration' be out soon, because for me there lies the real mastering problem. They're too harsh.
 

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Reply #47 –
I have cut the sample into similar parts, and corrected the RMS levels :

http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ckmaster-el.ogg
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...CD-remaster.ogg
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...elove-03-CD.ogg

First, a copy of the LP (Technics SL3100 / Stanton Trackmaster-EL / Arcam Diva A85 / Sony DTC55ES / SoundForge 4.5 48k -> 44.1 k resampling quality 4)
Then your SACD sample
Then your CD sample.

ABX 1 vs 2 : 16/16
ABX 2 vs 3 : 16/16
ABX 3 vs 1 : 16/16

Spectrums :

SACD vs CD (CD in pink, SACD in green) :



CD vs LP (CD in red, LP in blue) :



LP vs SACD (LP in orange, SACD in blue) :



Comments about the sound :
The CD sounds brighter than both the LP and the SACD. It illustrates well the idea that "SACD sounds analog" while "CD sounds harsh, cold and digital" through a simple remastering, and comparing three CD quality files at 44100 Hz 16 bits.
However, both the CD and SACD sound clean. There is something dirty in the LP sound that comes from either distortion, either high frequency dynamics compression.

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Reply #48 –
I've got Music for the Masses.

The DVD stereo part is exactly the same as the CD part of the SACD. The files are 48000 Hz 24 bits, however, their effective resolution is 44100 Hz 16 bits.

The peak and RMS levels are exactly the same.




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Reply #49 –
A Broken Frame - Remastered
Some Great Reward - Remastered
Songs of Faith and Devotion - Remastered

Due 2nd October.