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PS3 good at ripping CDS CDs...

so, it was the notes to a firmware upgrade that prompted me to even try/attempt ripping a copy protected CD in the first place... but it seems that the Playstation 3 can copy CDS protected CDs quite well and fast, saving wear and tear on your ROM/RW drives...

so far have only tried Ayumi Hamasaki's Free and Easy, but it ripped just as fast as the other (non-protected) CDs... will try some others, too, later...

edit1: options seem to be:
AAC 80/96/128/160/192/256/320
MP3 96/128/160/192/224/256/320
ATRAC 48/64/96/128/160/192/256/320/352

edit2: these seem to be able to be copied (i think it's all of my copy protected CDs):
Ayumi Hamasaki - Free and Easy / Avex Trax (JP) / CDS(200?)
Nightwish - Nemo / Spinefarm (FI?) / Copy Control
Karaja - She Moves, Jessy - Look at me Now / MOS/EMI (AU) / Copy Control

PS3 good at ripping CDS CDs...

Reply #1 –
Quote from: plonk420 on
...saving wear and tear on your ROM/RW drives...


I'd be more concerned about wearing out my $600 PS3 than my $50 DVD-ROM drive!

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Reply #2 –
Consoles have been able to rip copy protected CD's for a long time.  I remember that the Xbox ripped Velvet Revolver's CD without any problems as well as the Xbox 360.  These CD's can also be easily ripped with EAC, you just have to use the shift method if they somehow bypass EAC's auto-run kill feature.

I agree with Jebus, I would be more worried about tearing up my $500-$600 PS3 with its blu-ray drive than my computer's $50 DVD+-R/RW drive (which needs to be replaced anyways).

Out of curiosity, what mp3 encoder does the PS3 use?  I imagine it uses the Fraunhoffer (sorry for spelling) mp3 encoder and it uses Sony's AAC and ATRAC3 encoders.

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Reply #3 –
Interesting but isn't this TOS#9 violation?

Forums where this talk is allowed are cdfreaks and Doom9.

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Reply #4 –
Maybe a TOS violation in some countries but not others. Let the moderators make that decision please.
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Reply #5 –
hrm, i'm not sure about the second part of #9 now that i reexaimine the TOS. as for the first part, they're my own CDs.

the irony is that in 1.3x of the PS3's firmware, they state: one of the firmware updates, the sony site themselves said that they "made a fix" to allow users to back up their Sony-protected CDs to HDD.

edit: ah, i take that back, it was to allow ARccOS-protected DVDs to play back... (1.11) :-P still ironic, tho

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Reply #6 –
Sony will actually tell you how to bypass their own copy protection and started doing so after a major backlash by consumers and artists (a google search will net you lots of results) so not such a surprise.

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Interesting but isn't this TOS#9 violation?

Forums where this talk is allowed are cdfreaks and Doom9


Actually it is, but if people bothered to read copyright law especially under DMCA you would see that bypassing copy-protected schemes for legal backup's was legimate. Doom 9 is atrocious btw when it comes to playing it by the rules.
budding I.T professional

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Reply #9 –
Quote from: vinnie97 on
Quote from: Jebus on

Quote from: plonk420 on

...saving wear and tear on your ROM/RW drives...


I'd be more concerned about wearing out my $600 PS3 than my $50 DVD-ROM drive!

LOL, I agree...backwards thinking if I've ever heard any.


it takes me 6-8 hours to rip a copy-control CD, after two CDSes, it's put one of the drives in DMA mode (or whatever the slow mode is that slows down windows). 2 mins of spinning on PS3 doesn't even compare to watching a BRD movie...

PS3 good at ripping CDS CDs...

Reply #10 –
you're thinking of PIO.

Well, I suppose you may have a point there but I wonder how the PS3 drive or hardware is circumventing it with such ease.
 

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Reply #11 –
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Interesting but isn't this TOS#9 violation?

Forums where this talk is allowed are cdfreaks and Doom9


Actually it is, but if people bothered to read copyright law especially under DMCA you would see that bypassing copy-protected schemes for legal backup's was legimate. Doom 9 is atrocious btw when it comes to playing it by the rules.


hahaha! I see you bothered reading nothing

For starters, the DMCA doesn't make provisions of making copies for personal use, the law that deals with it is the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 (AHRA).

here is the text of the DMCA: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281:
and here is the AHRA: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap10.html#1001

Now, some knowledge for you regarding fair use: fair use isn't even a right (yes! really!). It's a doctrine of the US copyright law that deals with situations where it is acceptable to circumvent copyrights. Here, I will even quote the relevant part from the Copyright Act of 1976:

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Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

* the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
* the nature of the copyrighted work;
* the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
* the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.


In particular, fair use is based on principles of free spech based on the First Amendment, that's the part dealing with "criticism, comment, news reporting".


The summary: unless you can somehow link backup of your own media to the First Amendment, fair use (as specified by the US copyright law) does not apply.


Now, as we can pretty much settle that "copies for personal backup" don't fall into the American Fair Use provisions from the Copyright Act, and realizing that the AHRA predates the DMCA by 6 years, we come to a neat conclusion that 2Bdecided arrived at almost 4 years ago, but people keep ignoring. Quoth the raven:

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Legally, if the technology allows you to, and you want to, then it's fine. But legally, the technology doesn't have to allow you to make a copy.


Feh

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Reply #12 –
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005021.php

Focus your attention particularly on #6 in regard to that. I have read the law unless I am confusing something else as I have taken a law course in the past I could be wrong.
budding I.T professional

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Reply #13 –
Quote from: HotshotGG on
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005021.php

Focus your attention particularly on #6 in regard to that. I have read the law unless I am confusing something else as I have taken a law course in the past I could be wrong.


Oh, COME ON dude! Have you even read #6?

Let me explain it: under normal circumstances, you can't reverse engineer or even investigate the internals of a copy protection mechanism. That is forbidden by the DMCA.

BUT if you somehow realize the copy protection mechanism is being harmful to your computer ("create or exploit security flaws or vulnerabilities that compromise the security of personal computers"), you are allowed to "test, investigate, or correct such security flaws or vulnerabilities".

You guessed, right? That addendum was created very specifically to protect the Mark Russinovichs from the Sonys around the world. NOWHERE it mentions backups for personal purposes or what not.

Feh


Edit: It seems now obvious to me you didn't even read the document you just linked. In the last paragraph, there is the sentence:
"Unfortunately, just as we predicted, all the proposed exemptions that would benefit consumers were denied (space-shifting, region coding, backing up DVDs)."

My emphasis.


PS: I didn't take any fancy law courses in the past. All my assessments are based on research and common sense.

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Reply #14 –
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BUT if you somehow realize the copy protection mechanism is being harmful to your computer ("create or exploit security flaws or vulnerabilities that compromise the security of personal computers"), you are allowed to "test, investigate, or correct such security flaws or vulnerabilities".

You guessed, right? That addendum was created very specifically to protect the Mark Russinovichs from the Sonys around the world. NOWHERE it mentions backups for personal purposes or what not.

Feh


Edit: It seems now obvious to me you didn't even read the document you just linked. In the last paragraph, there is the sentence:
"Unfortunately, just as we predicted, all the proposed exemptions that would benefit consumers were denied (space-shifting, region coding, backing up DVDs)."


#6 to the consumer would be an exemption to the evil Sony root kit or at least that is how I percieve it as and some copy protection. I am not saying your wrong the law can be interpereted in various ways I am just saying... it's still quite hawkish, but it is "less" restrictive. There is an DMCA reform bill that is going to be introduced to the house again though so there is still the possibility that this will be "less" restrictive in the future to take into other copy protection schemes I am just saying it's a first step and the anti-DMCA people need to stop bitching in the meantime. "less" depends on who is lobbying congress and what party is running the show meaning politics aside, but anyway it's an interesting discussion none the less.
budding I.T professional

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Reply #15 –
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#6 to the consumer would be an exemption to the evil Sony root kit or at least that is how I percieve it as and some copy protection.


Not really. #6 allows you to tinker with an anti-copy mechanism and investigate if it harms your computer. But you are still not allowed to use the information you gather to bypass the mechanism and rip the audio part.

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Reply #16 –
Enough off-topic DMCA, TOS and law crap maybe?
Over here we are allowed to take copy's of anything for personal use, anal DMCA or not, so bleh...
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