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Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

From what i've read, EAC doesn't create multiple FLAC files with a cue sheet from a CD.

If it does, i'd like to know where that faq is

Assuming it doesn't, i was wondering if this sneaky way works instead of using EAC to single WAV image the file, then FLAC Frontend to FLAC it into multiple files.

The way i've tried is to create the cuesheet:
Actions > Create Cue Sheet > Multiple WAV files

Then just use the normal FLAC ripping that EAC can do.

While that is doing it's thing, edit the cuesheet file in notepad to remove the .wav/WAVE references and replace them with .flac/FLAC.

I did this once with an APE recording i had, i converted it to FLAC, modified the cuesheet and burned it to CD to test it out - it seemed to work (though i haven't tested it thoroughly).

Would that technique work for gapless (properly - or would it just fluke it sometimes and not work others)?

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #1 –
Sounds fine. There's no reason why this method would be less accurate than ripping to an image*.

Quote from: Recusant on
Would that technique work for gapless (properly - or would it just fluke it sometimes and not work others)?

I think you may have confused gapless playback and detecting gaps (aka INDEXes). Gapless playback is dependent on the support of your chosen format (FLAC and other lossless formats support it, by definition) and player, but all credible ones support it by now, so you won't lose out by ripping to single tracks instead of an image. EAC always detects gaps (indices, which do not affect audio quality) before creating a cue sheet, whether for an image or individual tracks (though there are different methods, and accuracy may vary with the drive and settings used).

* although you would have to separately rip HTOA (assuming your drive can read it)

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #2 –
Quote from: dv1989 on
Sounds fine. There's no reason why this method would be less accurate than ripping to an image*.

Quote from: Recusant on
Would that technique work for gapless (properly - or would it just fluke it sometimes and not work others)?

I think you may have confused gapless playback and detecting gaps (aka INDEXes). Gapless playback is dependent on the support of your chosen format (FLAC and other lossless formats support it, by definition) and player, but all credible ones support it by now, so you won't lose out by ripping to single tracks instead of an image. EAC always detects gaps (indices, which do not affect audio quality) before creating a cue sheet, whether for an image or individual tracks (though there are different methods, and accuracy may vary with the drive and settings used).

* although you would have to separately rip HTOA (assuming your drive can read it)


Thanks dv1989.

I hadn't heard of HTOA before, i had to google it (hidden track one audio). This is a whole new bloody dimension! I wouldn't know which of my CDs have hidden tracks - it wouldn't be many i would say. Is it a new feature on CD burners and is there a good place you know to find out if my drive supports it?

Re the gapless, i didn't so much confuse the difference as didn't really think about it  I'm new to all this. You've helped my understanding, thanks.

Thanks very much for your comments, they've helped me a great deal.

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #3 –
Glad to help!

I don't think (though I have a poor CD collection [in size and quality ] and thus don't feel qualified to comment) HTOA tracks are particularly common. A link that I should have posted earlier and that will hopefully be useful to you is the DAE Drive Features Database; that link is to its page about testing for HTOA reading capability, but it also collects details on other features.

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #4 –
Quote from: Recusant on
From what i've read, EAC doesn't create multiple FLAC files with a cue sheet from a CD.

If it does, i'd like to know where that faq is
You can rip to multiple tracks and request the appropriate cue sheet manually (Action > Create CUE Sheet > Mutliple WAV Files With Gaps...).

NB: EAC should colour the first track red if the CD has a HTOA track, IIRC.
I'm on a horse.
 

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #5 –
How common HTOA occurs depends on how one chooses define what it is.  If it is simply the existence of a 00 index before the 01 index of the first track then a significantly large portion of all discs have an HTOA track.

For the first track to show in red requires that the 00 index be greater than six seconds (not including the 2 second lead-in).  I suppose the assumption is that any HTOA that is six seconds or less won't contain anything worth caring about.

Regarding the type of CUE sheet, it appears that the OP is running EAC in beginner mode.  I'm pretty sure the single option to create a CUE sheet for multiple tracks creates the same one that Synthetic Soul is recommending.

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #6 –
Quote from: greynol on
Regarding the type of CUE sheet, it appears that the OP is running EAC in beginner mode.  I'm pretty sure the single option to create a CUE sheet for multiple tracks creates the same one that Synthetic Soul is recommending.


Yes - i'm using beginniner mode as recommended by the tool, because i am very much a beginner.

Do you know if there any reason EAC doesn't create the cue sheets for multiple FLAC files, just as it can for multiple WAV files?

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #7 –
Quote from: dv1989 on
Glad to help!

I don't think (though I have a poor CD collection [in size and quality ] and thus don't feel qualified to comment) HTOA tracks are particularly common. A link that I should have posted earlier and that will hopefully be useful to you is the DAE Drive Features Database; that link is to its page about testing for HTOA reading capability, but it also collects details on other features.


Thanks for the link. I've tested and everything works right up to the extraction part. The resulting WAV file is corrupt.

So i guess my drive isn't compatible anyway.

There's an old thread linked to that page: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=38551

This is more current, but it doesn't look good for hardware support: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....0&start=100

Does anyone know a good place to find up to date info about HTOA availability in burners?

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #8 –
Are all ripped wav files corrupt or just that ripped from the HTOA test CD you created?
daefeatures.co.uk

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #9 –
Quote from: evereux on
Are all ripped wav files corrupt or just that ripped from the HTOA test CD you created?


Just the test.

I've ripped a couple of CDs and they've been perfectly fine. I don't think i own any CDs with hidden tracks, but it's possible. It'll take time to find out if i have any to test one.

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #10 –
Quote from: Recusant on
While that is doing it's thing, edit the cuesheet file in notepad to remove the .wav/WAVE references and replace them with .flac/FLAC.


Why exactly would you edit the CUE sheet like this?  If working with .flac do you need to do this?

CUE sheets have the .wav extension natively it seems.  If saving your CD collection to .flac can you just keep the CUE sheet as it is naturally made by EAC and just keep that with the .flac track files.  I'm still not quite sure how the CUE sheet works when later you want to burn a backup CD or convert to different format.  Do you just point the burning utility to all the .flac track files and the CUE Sheet at the same time?  And then when burning the CUE sheet information is then used to produce the CD?

Using EAC to create FLAC with cuesheets

Reply #11 –
You just drop the cue sheet into the burning program.  If it's a noncompliant sheet, you're going to need to use either burrrn or EAC unless something else is accepting that style.  If it's EAC then the files specified in the CUE sheet need to be .wav/WAVE, though it does accept a few other formats (flac is not one of them).  It the program is burrrn then the CUE sheet can accept both flac and wave and still others.  The proper nomenclature is .flac/WAVE; it is not .flac/FLAC, even though the latter may work with some programs.