Which CD DAE software is the most accurate for Mac OS X?, Is XLD the most accurate with feature set? |
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Which CD DAE software is the most accurate for Mac OS X?, Is XLD the most accurate with feature set? |
 Sep 4 2008, 14:04
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QUOTE (Kees de Visser @ Sep 4 2008, 05:34)  . Has that CD been in your computer before? In iTunes? Or, in Max using the iTunes Metadata script? If so, what you first saw is the tags from Gracenote CDDB which is what iTunes uses. Apple pays Gracenote a fee. Max, XLD(?), and most others use Musicbrainz (free). Once a bunch of metadata is associated with a CD the OS remembers it. In your case, when you had it get names the previous were replaced. So, yes, there is in effect two different databases used.- I inserted a (classical) cd and XLD displays the track info correctly. However, when I click on "Get CD Track Names", the info changes and the names now include Japanese (?) characters. Are there different databases being used ? First impressions are very positive. I wonder if Max's script can be modified for XLD? |
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Sep 4 2008, 21:37
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I have created a comparison for three CD rippers that use CDParanoia on the Mac. This comparison is in no way a definitive comparison as the feature sets of these applications constantly change. Please contact me if any information appears inaccurate or you feel a crucial feature has been omitted. I attempted to list the features in an unbiased manner. All these applications offer several audio codecs which are listed in HA's 2008 ripping/encoding polls which confirms the most the popular ones are offered. I intentionally did not list the audio codecs because the focus for this comparison is the DAE capabilities on the Mac.
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Sep 4 2008, 23:36
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Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 5-June 08 From: USA Member No.: 54037 |
Today XLD added a new feature to recognize if a CD is in the AccurateRip DB before ripping is started. This will give the user the option to use the burst rip mode vs. the CDParanoia mode which takes longer to rip. If the users CD condition is fine they could rely on the AccurateRip results to determine if one should rerip using the CDParanoia mode. Another great feature added quickly by the developer!
Notice [AR] in the top of XLD application window in front of the album name. This indicates that this CD is in the AccurateRip DB. 
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Sep 4 2008, 23:46
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QUOTE (macman4hire @ Sep 4 2008, 12:37) I have created a comparison for three CD rippers that use CDParanoia on the Mac. This comparison is in know way a definitive comparison as the feature sets of these applications constantly change. Please contact me if any information appears inaccurate or you feel a crucial feature has been omitted. From the other thread on this subject, I think it's not yet entirely clear that XLD actually disables the drives cache. |
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Sep 5 2008, 21:46
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Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 5-June 08 From: USA Member No.: 54037 |
Just an update on Mac DAE. Today sbooth the developer of Max posted on his forum that he is working on a CD ripper with following features:
* Drive read offset support * AccurateRip support * Multiple metadata sources [via plugins], including MusicBrainz, FreeDB and iTunes * Plugin-based encoders He also posted that he has currently completed maybe 70% of the features, and plans a public beta soon. |
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Sep 5 2008, 22:15
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Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 5-June 08 From: USA Member No.: 54037 |
QUOTE (knucklehead @ Sep 4 2008, 16:46) QUOTE (macman4hire @ Sep 4 2008, 12:37) I have created a comparison for three CD rippers that use CDParanoia on the Mac. This comparison is in know way a definitive comparison as the feature sets of these applications constantly change. Please contact me if any information appears inaccurate or you feel a crucial feature has been omitted. From the other thread on this subject, I think it's not yet entirely clear that XLD actually disables the drives cache. I can place a comment in notes area of the Mac CD Ripper Comparison that some HA members question this features effectiveness. |
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Sep 5 2008, 22:34
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Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 5-June 08 From: USA Member No.: 54037 |
Their seems to be some disagreement if the disable cache is effective in XLD. I am in no way an expert about DAE. My goals are to learn as much as I can about this subject and help inform the Mac community. We must find a way to test this feature in a way the majority can agree on. Unfortunately I did not have the technical expertise to devise such a test and must rely on the help of other members of HA to accomplish this. Any help to reach this objective would be appreciated.
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Sep 6 2008, 17:16
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QUOTE (macman4hire @ Sep 1 2008, 13:45) 4. Can the the error log report be trusted in XLD? Thank you for answers and help. 500 plus CD's to rip! Here's a damaged disk I just ripped where the log report shows no problems on some tracks the AR does not show as a match: CODE X Lossless Decoder version 20080906 (85.2) XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-06 11:38:38 -0400 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention / Playground Psychotics (Disc 1) Used drive : PLEXTOR CD-R PX-230A (revision 1.02) Use cdparanoia mode : YES Disable audio cache : NO Read offset correction : 738 Max retry count : 100 TOC of the extracted CD Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector --------------------------------------------------------- 1 | 00:00:32 | 01:00:40 | 32 | 4571 2 | 01:00:72 | 01:20:50 | 4572 | 10621 3 | 02:21:47 | 01:18:73 | 10622 | 16544 4 | 03:40:45 | 00:23:47 | 16545 | 18316 5 | 04:04:17 | 01:21:30 | 18317 | 24421 6 | 05:25:47 | 00:55:35 | 24422 | 28581 7 | 06:21:07 | 00:29:43 | 28582 | 30799 8 | 06:50:50 | 01:11:25 | 30800 | 36149 9 | 08:02:00 | 00:24:72 | 36150 | 38021 10 | 08:26:72 | 02:02:15 | 38022 | 47186 11 | 10:29:12 | 00:25:00 | 47187 | 49061 12 | 10:54:12 | 02:40:65 | 49062 | 61126 13 | 13:35:02 | 01:46:15 | 61127 | 69091 14 | 15:21:17 | 01:30:18 | 69092 | 75859 15 | 16:51:35 | 02:26:15 | 75860 | 86824 16 | 19:17:50 | 02:59:67 | 86825 | 100316 17 | 22:17:42 | 01:39:48 | 100317 | 107789 18 | 23:57:15 | 04:52:00 | 107790 | 129689 19 | 28:49:15 | 04:23:27 | 129690 | 149441 20 | 33:12:42 | 02:53:40 | 149442 | 162456 21 | 36:06:07 | 06:19:00 | 162457 | 190881 22 | 42:25:07 | 04:43:25 | 190882 | 212131 23 | 47:08:32 | 00:57:25 | 212132 | 216431 24 | 48:05:57 | 02:59:10 | 216432 | 229866 25 | 51:04:67 | 05:53:55 | 229867 | 256396 26 | 56:58:47 | 06:06:53 | 256397 | 283899 Track 01 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/01 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Here Comes The Gear, Lads.m4a CRC32 hash : F7B0D958 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 45B6FC8F AccurateRip signature : 0FC9203C ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 02 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/02 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - The Living Garbage Truck.m4a CRC32 hash : D544CB3E CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 2C143187 AccurateRip signature : 1120B36A ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 03 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/03 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - A Typical Sound Check.m4a CRC32 hash : 3493634D CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 3C8C298D AccurateRip signature : D7E0472C ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 04 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/04 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - This is Neat.m4a CRC32 hash : ACDB1465 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : D0AED323 AccurateRip signature : 22947D66 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 05 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/05 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - The Motel Lobby.m4a CRC32 hash : C7E1E5A0 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A34721DA AccurateRip signature : 6F09E226 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 06 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/06 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Getting Stewed.m4a CRC32 hash : 19C1FBD2 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 6DC511EB AccurateRip signature : 0CEDB716 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 07 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/07 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - The Motel Room.m4a CRC32 hash : 3606C5B2 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : D426AD6C AccurateRip signature : 83CDD72D ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 08 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/08 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Don't Take Me Down.m4a CRC32 hash : 23024286 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 01D36E8D AccurateRip signature : 191D3297 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 09 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/09 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - The Dressing Room.m4a CRC32 hash : 3C61170D CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 24809A51 AccurateRip signature : 24FDE159 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 10 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/10 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Learning "Penis Dimension".m4a CRC32 hash : 5914E7C6 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 84A79476 AccurateRip signature : 6BB93C3B ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 11 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/11 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - You There, With The Hard On!.m4a CRC32 hash : AB913AEC CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 796E3BDD AccurateRip signature : FF3A70EE ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 12 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/12 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Zanti Serenade.m4a CRC32 hash : 75DE6F51 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 6040EA49 AccurateRip signature : EE847E29 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 13 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/13 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Divan.m4a CRC32 hash : 56FD5781 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : CF5DF872 AccurateRip signature : EFEB5DE8 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 14 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/14 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Sleeping In A Jar.m4a CRC32 hash : ADD4ED05 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A3A7A1AC AccurateRip signature : 14E262BC ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 15 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/15 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Don't Eat There.m4a CRC32 hash : FF7D8E81 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F74AB475 AccurateRip signature : 356E77D0 ->Rip may not be accurate. Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 8 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 16 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/16 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Brixton Still Life.m4a CRC32 hash : 657D1202 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 09856824 AccurateRip signature : C72CBE12 ->Rip may not be accurate. Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 70 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 2 List of suspicious positions : (1) 00:57:37 (2) 01:37:46 Track 17 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/17 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Super Grease.m4a CRC32 hash : 9E3AB0B2 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 9982326F AccurateRip signature : F150AB3E ->Rip may not be accurate. Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 8 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 18 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/18 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Wonderful Wino.m4a CRC32 hash : 8D252ECF CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 123A2CBA AccurateRip signature : 5D5E8A14 ->Rip may not be accurate. Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 66 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 2 List of suspicious positions : (1) 00:33:58 (2) 00:33:72 Track 19 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/19 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Sharleena.m4a CRC32 hash : 6178899C CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 0F746850 AccurateRip signature : 8981725D ->Rip may not be accurate. Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 43 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 20 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/20 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Crusin' for Burgers.m4a CRC32 hash : 59910784 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 764EBC66 AccurateRip signature : 1A460BB2 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 21 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/21 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Diptheria Blues.m4a CRC32 hash : 01FECD71 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 86798940 AccurateRip signature : 1A87BE4A ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 22 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/22 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Well.m4a CRC32 hash : E1ECF841 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 56D53EDF AccurateRip signature : C84007DD ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 23 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/23 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Say Please.m4a CRC32 hash : 6B0A9115 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 93BDDDB3 AccurateRip signature : C732B1F4 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 24 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/24 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Aaawk.m4a CRC32 hash : 26338445 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E2A2B367 AccurateRip signature : 6F92155D ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 25 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/25 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - Scumbag.m4a CRC32 hash : 2F800CBD CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 0B6F1802 AccurateRip signature : 43995F98 ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5) Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 0 Track 26 Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/26 Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono.m4a CRC32 hash : 6C854669 CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 83C1C60E AccurateRip signature : 0686B31D ->Rip may not be accurate. Statistics Read error : 0 Skipped (treated as error) : 0 Edge jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 54 Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0 Inconsistency in error sectors : 2 List of suspicious positions : (1) 06:03:07 (2) 06:03:27 Some inconsistencies found End of status report ..... can't seem to get the code box thing .... Moderation: Instead of "code" and "/code", use "codebox" and "/codebox". This post is not correct. 8 and 0 look pretty indistinguishable in font XLD uses in it's log. I mistook the two tracks that reported 8 errors for 0 errors. The log matches AR results This post has been edited by knucklehead: Sep 7 2008, 13:10 |
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Sep 6 2008, 17:39
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QUOTE (knucklehead @ Sep 6 2008, 17:16) Here's a damaged disk I just ripped where the log report shows no problems on some tracks the AR does not show as a match For the sake of experiment could you rip the disc again with cache disabled (allegedly) 
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Sep 6 2008, 17:51
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QUOTE (knucklehead @ Sep 6 2008, 09:16) Here's a damaged disk I just ripped where the log report shows no problems It looks like there are problems in the log to me... CODE Track 15 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 8 Track 16 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 70 Inconsistency in error sectors : 2 List of suspicious positions : (1) 00:57:37 (2) 01:37:46 Track 17 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 8 Track 18 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 66 Inconsistency in error sectors : 2 List of suspicious positions : (1) 00:33:58 (2) 00:33:72 Track 19 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 43 Track 26 Atom jitter error (maybe fixed) : 54 Inconsistency in error sectors : 2 List of suspicious positions : (1) 06:03:07 (2) 06:03:27 Some inconsistencies found QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 09:39) For the sake of experiment could you rip the disc again with cache disabled (allegedly) ...especially since the PX-230A is a caching drive. 
This post has been edited by greynol: Sep 6 2008, 17:53 -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Sep 6 2008, 18:10
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Time for new glasses...
The 8's were hiding in the crossed 0's (who on earth invented those things?) in the XLD log. I'm doing come cahe on and off comparisons now. |
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Sep 6 2008, 23:27
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QUOTE (knucklehead @ Sep 6 2008, 08:16) Here's a damaged disk I just ripped where the log report shows no problems on some tracks the AR does not show as a match: You didn't use "test before copy" on this rip. |
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Sep 6 2008, 23:37
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QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 6 2008, 23:27) You didn't use "test before copy" on this rip. Surely forgiveable/understandable if you have "Only when the track does not exist in AccurateRip DB" checked ? |
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Sep 6 2008, 23:44
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QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 17:37) QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 6 2008, 23:27) You didn't use "test before copy" on this rip. Surely forgiveable/understandable if you have "Only when the track does not exist in AccurateRip DB" checked ? Yep. One sweet feature that is. |
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Sep 7 2008, 00:03
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Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 5-June 08 From: USA Member No.: 54037 |
XLD updated via automatic update today with some interesting new features. I posted all the XLD updates since 2008/08/22 because the website has not been updated since then and after you automatically download the new version of XLD you won't have any record of these updates or added features until the website is updated.
CODE Version 20080907: • Added feature to fix a wrong offset of the existing files using AccurateRip database • You can detect and fix an offset from "Detect Offset" and "Save with Offset Correction..." in File menu, after opening a file (with cuesheet) that you want to fix. • Separated drift errors from skip errors in cdparanoia statistics • Added option to treat AccurateRip mismatch as an inconsistency in log • Modified loading method of Sparkle.framework to support OSX 10.3 Version 20080906: • Sorted character encoding pop-up menu by alphabetical order Version 20080905: • XLD now shows "[AR]" string in the titlebar of the window when a disc is available in AccurateRip DB Version 20080904: • Added option to avoid testing when the track exists in AccurrateRip DB • Supported creating a cue sheet for separated track files • You can choose type in the save dialog. Note that currently XLD can't read this type of cue sheet. Version 20080902: • Fixed a problem in ALAC decoder Version 20080830: • Added option to test before copy Version 20080829: • Added option to veryfy suspicious sectors Version 20080828: • Added option to save a log file automatically • Improved progress view to show a speed and remaining time Version 20080827: • XLD now automatically recognizes inserted/ejected CD • Supported embedding album art in WavPack encoder • Fixed to ask output directory if the default directory is not writable Version 20080826: • Fixed to report correctly in case AccurateRip doesn't have informations for all tracks Version 20080825: • Fixed several bugs in cdparanoia routine according to the latest release • Fixed UTF-8 NFD issue when looking up Gracenote database • Fixed MusicBrainz query failure on PPC Mac Version 20080824: • Fixed a problem that XLD sometimes failed to find a CD in AccurateRip database Version 20080823: • Added feature to calculate an AccurateRip hash for the existing files • Choose "Check file with AccurateRip" from the File menu. • Fixed again an AccurateRip hash calculation for the first track • Sorry for confusion... I hope this will be the solution... Version 20080822a: • Fixed an AccurateRip hash calculation for the first track with pregap Version 20080822: • Fixed an AccurateRip hash calculation for the first and last track • Improved tag editor • Supported automatic update using Sparklelong |
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Sep 7 2008, 00:03
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QUOTE (tim.lance @ Sep 6 2008, 23:44) Yep. One sweet feature that is. I think the developer deserves a great deal of credit for the nearly daily updates, all of which are to add genuinely useful features. Edit: Took the words right out of my mouth mm4h 
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Sep 7 2008, 00:04
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QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 14:37) QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 6 2008, 23:27) You didn't use "test before copy" on this rip. Surely forgiveable/understandable if you have "Only when the track does not exist in AccurateRip DB" checked ? Yes and no. Yes, if AR reports that everything checks out OK. No, if you have problems like you do in your log and want to confirm that they are truly error free. Try ripping the tracks in question again with "test before copy" and "verify suspicious sectors" enabled. I predict that the log will show a mismatch between the test and copy CRCs on the problem tracks. This is not a caching issue, I am certain. This post has been edited by Pepzhez: Sep 7 2008, 00:11 |
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Sep 7 2008, 00:11
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No sh*t. I have never seen such user driven (or anything otherwise!) development. Amazing. And to do it smartly (do test/copy if track not in AR) and functionally/individual preference (have as option for how log is worded re: AR inconsistencies) is damn near elegant.
Now for some clarification re: drive cache defeating (for whatever it's relevancy on modern drives) and handling of fancy discs (Super/enhanced/whatever). QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 6 2008, 18:04) Try ripping the tracks in question again with "test before copy" enabled. I predict that the log will show a mismatch between the test and copy CRCs on the problem tracks. This is not a caching issue, I am certain. And then there's that. 
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Sep 7 2008, 00:14
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Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 5-June 08 From: USA Member No.: 54037 |
QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 17:03) QUOTE (tim.lance @ Sep 6 2008, 23:44) Yep. One sweet feature that is. I think the developer deserves a great deal of credit for the nearly daily updates, all of which are to add genuinely useful features. Edit: Took the words right out of my mouth mm4h The pace this application is being developed is truly amazing. Great Work! |
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Sep 7 2008, 00:50
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Group: Super Moderator Posts: 9258 Joined: 1-April 04 Member No.: 13167 |
Did we determine if the "Only when the track does not exist in AccurateRip DB" setting takes into account the very real possibility of having a different pressing from what's in the database???
This post has been edited by greynol: Sep 7 2008, 00:51 -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Sep 7 2008, 01:04
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QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 6 2008, 15:50) Did we determine if the "Only when the track does not exist in AccurateRip DB" setting takes into account the very real possibility of having a different pressing from what's in the database??? It doesn't take that into account. That is one of the problems with this option. If you want to rely on the AR results first and foremost, then it's probably better to burst rip, then check the AR results. |
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Sep 7 2008, 01:08
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Is it realistically possible for different pressings to have some tracks that match ? If it's not then it should be obvious what the situation is unless you have a disc with 100% of the tracks damaged.
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Sep 7 2008, 01:17
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Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 18-May 03 Member No.: 6685 |
QUOTE (tim.lance @ Sep 6 2008, 15:11) Now for some clarification re: drive cache defeating (for whatever it's relevancy on modern drives) and handling of fancy discs (Super/enhanced/whatever). The handling of "fancy discs" (enhanced CDs with videos, photos or any other extras included) is definitely a problem with XLD. It can't deal with them at all. XLD hangs during the "detecting pregap" stage." Both xACT and cdparanoia III 9.8 are able to deal with enhanced discs, so I'm sure that XLD can be made to work with these as well. As for caching, well, I'm still waiting for someone to prove a caching problem with cdparanoia/XLD. I'm not saying that it can't happen, just that no one has shown it to be a demonstrable problem -- and I've been comparing EAC and cdparanoia III 9.8 rips for more than half a decade, using both caching and non-caching drives. QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 16:08) Is it realistically possible for different pressings to have some tracks that match ? If it's not then it should be obvious what the situation is unless you have a disc with 100% of the tracks damaged. It is possible. I have seen it. I have several discs of which I own a couple of different pressings. On at least two titles, a few of the tracks in common have identical CRCs, while the other tracks produce entirely different CRCs. I'm not sure how common this phenomenon is, but it can and does occur. |
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Sep 7 2008, 01:30
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QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 6 2008, 15:04) QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 14:37) QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 6 2008, 23:27) You didn't use "test before copy" on this rip. Surely forgiveable/understandable if you have "Only when the track does not exist in AccurateRip DB" checked ? Yes and no. Yes, if AR reports that everything checks out OK. No, if you have problems like you do in your log and want to confirm that they are truly error free. Try ripping the tracks in question again with "test before copy" and "verify suspicious sectors" enabled. I predict that the log will show a mismatch between the test and copy CRCs on the problem tracks. This is not a caching issue, I am certain. Just to be clear - My post above on the log not showing errors while AR showed a mismatch was my error in mistaking the 8's for 0's in XLD's log. The log and AR's results match in this instance ---- My mistake. |
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Sep 7 2008, 03:57
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QUOTE (macman4hire @ Sep 6 2008, 15:14) QUOTE (ffooky @ Sep 6 2008, 17:03) QUOTE (tim.lance @ Sep 6 2008, 23:44) Yep. One sweet feature that is. I think the developer deserves a great deal of credit for the nearly daily updates, all of which are to add genuinely useful features. Edit: Took the words right out of my mouth mm4h The pace this application is being developed is truly amazing. Great Work! Indeed! The XLD developer has done an amazing job. He not only took Mac ripping out of the dark ages, but the *daily* improvements he has been making to XLD are truly a wonder to behold. I really cannot thank him enough for everything he has done (and continues to do). QUOTE (macman4hire @ Sep 4 2008, 12:37) I have created a comparison for three CD rippers that use CDParanoia on the Mac. This comparison is in no way a definitive comparison as the feature sets of these applications constantly change. Please contact me if any information appears inaccurate or you feel a crucial feature has been omitted. I attempted to list the features in an unbiased manner. All these applications offer several audio codecs which are listed in HA's 2008 ripping/encoding polls which confirms the most the popular ones are offered. I intentionally did not list the audio codecs because the focus for this comparison is the DAE capabilities on the Mac. I notice an incorrect entry on your ripper comparison chart: xACT does NOT have a "verify suspicious sectors" option, nor does it verify them. Also, xACT does query Freedb (you can see it on the log), although it will not actually title the tracks on output. One problem with xACT is that the developer made it a "run only" application, so you cannot edit the app. I believe this may be a violation of the cdparanoia GPL, but what do I know? This post has been edited by Pepzhez: Sep 7 2008, 04:01 |
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