Please recommend LAME settings, Was: Some advice i'm somehow .. confused |
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Please recommend LAME settings, Was: Some advice i'm somehow .. confused |
 Apr 12 2007, 15:30
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QUOTE (sld @ Apr 12 2007, 14:50)  Ogg Vorbis is better than mp3 at the same bitrate but the Lancer builds encode 3 times faster than the fastest LAME 3.97 builds (on my com). QUOTE (pepoluan @ Apr 12 2007, 15:14) Vorbis (Ogg is the name of the container format) is better than MP3 at low bitrates and high bitrates. It is better than MP3 at any equal bitrate. I'm just thinking about the 128kbps multiformat test here, but that difference was negligable in that test - all encoders tied - although Vorbis did score marginally better than LAME. A few people may be able to tell the difference between LAME -V1/-V2 and Vorbis -q7/-q6 on a few tracks. I think such bold statements need to have some context.QUOTE (Spikey @ Apr 12 2007, 15:18) Question: Is "-V2 --vbr-new" going to give me VBR MP3 at the highest quality, varying between 128 and 320 kbps where necessary, with minimal artifact? -V2 --vbr-new would have no hard floor, so it will go below 128kbps, often. That's good, when it's not necessary to use more bits.That seems to be kind of missed, with all this talk of using some standard version, noone's actually talking about the quality/desirability of options, just that they're 'standards'. I still feel slightly confused about which preset to use! Whether -V2 is desirable is a question only you can answer. I use -V5 and find it absolutely fine. Encode a few tracks using a few of the presets and see what sounds good to you. This post has been edited by Synthetic Soul: Apr 12 2007, 15:37 -------------------- I'm on a horse.
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Apr 12 2007, 16:08
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Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 11-April 07 From: Romania Member No.: 42409 |
QUOTE Well "-h" and "-q2" are the same ... So don't use "-q0" which is useless in this case ... I've read about this ... but i thought that -q0 overrides the -h setting. I forgot to take out the -h. About the presets ... i think the presets are tuned very good BUT ... if you read what are the default options you will see that some are marked "recommended" or default. So in adition to the presets you may use switches ... you can enable some options or disable them ... but the base remains the preset. This is a matter of preference P.S. Pls don't argue about the preset vs switches thing ... it makes me feel bad because i never intended to go in this direction. This post has been edited by Bogdann: Apr 12 2007, 16:10 |
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Apr 12 2007, 16:33
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 Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 29-March 05 From: Southern Germany Member No.: 21036 |
At least once a week this same question arises AGAIN...
The wiki must be made more prominent since its article on LAME presets is really good: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...short_answer.29 Mantra: NO switches, JUST presets. They're there for a reason. |
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Apr 12 2007, 16:36
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QUOTE (Bogdann @ Apr 11 2007, 22:17) Raiden i know i can find all i want on this forum. It is simply amazing how much i can learn from it ... but i really can't read in a small amount of time ... ALL this. Hm... i probably need a couple of days to analyze and understand the majority of the topics. (Not) sorry to be blunt here, but if you are not willing to put in the effort to help yourself, then why should others put in the time to help someone who is too lazy to help him/herself? This is more than just parasitism - it is abuse. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7333 QUOTE About the presets ... i think the presets are tuned very good BUT ... if you read what are the default options you will see that some are marked "recommended" or default. So in adition to the presets you may use switches ... you can enable some options or disable them ... but the base remains the preset. This is a matter of preference No. It is a matter of comfort vs. education vs. ignorance. If you dont know about the inner workings of lame, then you have three options: - the comfortable way: either use the presets or the recommendations of people who do know how lame works. - the educated way: spent LOTS of effort learning how lames internals work and what kind of DBTs were done in the past. This will take months or even years. - the ignorant way: play with stuff without having a clue what you are doing, decrease soundquality and then let placebo do its work. - Lyx This post has been edited by Lyx: Apr 12 2007, 16:45 |
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Apr 12 2007, 16:43
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QUOTE (Bogdann @ Apr 12 2007, 17:08) P.S. Pls don't argue about the preset vs switches thing ... it makes me feel bad because i never intended to go in this direction. [...] So in adition to the presets you may use switches... You ask for recommended LAME settings and yet you don't want to hear recommendations? OK, then some clarification: The presets are not some base from which you go on with switches - the presets are the optimum. By applying switches - which only makes sense if you encounter compatibility problems otherwise - you deteriorate your sound quality or unnecessarily increase file size, maybe even both. -------------------- Nothing is impossible if you don't need to do it yourself.
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Apr 12 2007, 17:37
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another suggestion to any lame dev reading the thread: it would be great if in the documentation included with lame it is stated that usage of switches can only degrade quality and must only be used for testing or compatibility.
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Apr 12 2007, 19:43
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I am agreeing more with Joel Spolsky:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html and http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapt...0000000059.html This post has been edited by pepoluan: Apr 12 2007, 19:58 -------------------- Nobody is Perfect.
I am Nobody. http://pandu.poluan.info |
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Apr 12 2007, 19:51
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Group: Members Posts: 3353 Joined: 6-July 03 From: Sachsen (DE) Member No.: 7609 |
One more great article by joel, i agree. I wouldnt go as far as him, reducing it to just one option (i would keep "power off"), but overally, i fully agree - including the implicit suggestion regarding lame.
- Lyx This post has been edited by Lyx: Apr 12 2007, 19:52 -------------------- I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.
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Apr 12 2007, 23:09
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QUOTE (pepoluan @ Apr 12 2007, 20:43) I am agreeing more with Joel Spolsky: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html and http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapt...0000000059.html I agree ! 
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