MP3 at 128kbps public listening test, Discussion thread |
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MP3 at 128kbps public listening test, Discussion thread |
 Jan 13 2004, 15:31
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#176
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I think its not a good idea tweaking the Lame settings for my test. It goes against the HA mantra of "NEVAH tweak the presets", so it would not be representative of what forum readers use.
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Jan 13 2004, 15:37
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 LAME developer Group: Developer Posts: 2950 Joined: 1-October 01 From: Nanterre, France Member No.: 138 |
Well, it's not that much tweaking, after all in 3.95 --preset 128 is just --abr 128. But I agree that it is not very representative of real use.
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Jan 13 2004, 15:51
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Gabriel, could you please tell me the tweaked preset for a bitrate around 128 kbps ?
This post has been edited by rossthiof: Jan 13 2004, 15:54 -------------------- FLAC --> MP3 (Lame 3.96.1: V5 --athaa-sensitivity 1)
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Jan 13 2004, 16:03
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LAME developer Group: Developer Posts: 2950 Joined: 1-October 01 From: Nanterre, France Member No.: 138 |
QUOTE Gabriel, could you please tell me the tweaked preset for a bitrate around 128 kbps ? --preset 128 |
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Jan 13 2004, 16:31
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 Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 3474 Joined: 7-November 01 From: Strasbourg (France) Member No.: 420 |
QUOTE (Gabriel @ Jan 13 2004, 03:37 PM) Well, it's not that much tweaking, after all in 3.95 --preset 128 is just --abr 128. But I agree that it is not very representative of real use. It would be nice if some users will perform individual tests with --abr 128 and --abr 128 -q0, before the end of the test. Then Roberto may post something like an appendix, or a comment as conclusion about the (possible) benefits of the -q0 switch. What do you think? |
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Jan 13 2004, 16:43
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LAME developer Group: Developer Posts: 2950 Joined: 1-October 01 From: Nanterre, France Member No.: 138 |
I think that at 128kbps the benefits of q0 regarding quality are clear. But it does not represent how users will be using Lame.
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Jan 13 2004, 16:51
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Rarewares admin Group: Members Posts: 7515 Joined: 30-September 01 From: Brazil Member No.: 81 |
I agree with Guruboolez' idea, an appendix would indeed be better, specially considering usage representativity.
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Jan 13 2004, 21:03
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Rarewares admin Group: Members Posts: 7515 Joined: 30-September 01 From: Brazil Member No.: 81 |
Hello.
I'd like to ask if anyone here is experiencing problems to reach the listening tests site - http://audio.ciara.us/test/ It's been weeks since I could last log into it. If it's only a DNS problem in my ISP there are no worries, it should get fixed sooner or later. But if more people are having issues, I'll need to move it again. Verloren, can you help? I can't login through my FTP account either. Also, I couldn't login using HA's SSH server + lynx. -------------------- Get up-to-date binaries of Lame, AAC, Vorbis and much more at RareWares:
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Jan 13 2004, 21:06
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Group: Members Posts: 900 Joined: 9-February 02 From: Cheshire, UK Member No.: 1296 |
rjamorim, No problem reaching the page here.
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Jan 13 2004, 21:42
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All fine from here, Roberto.
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Jan 13 2004, 22:10
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Rarewares admin Group: Members Posts: 7515 Joined: 30-September 01 From: Brazil Member No.: 81 |
Weird...
What's worse, I can't use the FTP account to upload the presentation page. So I guess I'll have to move the site to rjamorim.com anyway 
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Jan 13 2004, 22:24
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 Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 22-April 03 From: /dev/null Member No.: 6130 |
QUOTE (Jojo @ Jan 13 2004, 03:01 PM) QUOTE (Gabriel @ Jan 13 2004, 12:12 AM) I'd like to point that with 3.95, targetting 128kbps I think that -q1 and -q0 can really improve encoding quality. is it possible to use this setting along with aps? How much longer would that take? I mean it says in the ChangeLog that the new release is 10% faster, so what's the deal? I rather wait a bit longer and have a smaller file or a file with better quality... Yes, of course it is. Just add -q ??? after --preset standard. But the test should be based on standard setting. Very short speed test: CODE C:\Music\LAMEsamples>c:\Lame3-90-3\lame.exe --preset standard fatboy.wav LAME version 3.90.3 MMX (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: i387, MMX (ASM used), 3DNow!, SIMD Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding fatboy.wav to fatboy.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=2) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=2 Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 191/193 (99%)| 0:02/ 0:02| 0:02/ 0:02| 2.1150x| 0:00 32 [ 1] * 128 [ 2] %% 160 [ 24] %%%%%%%%%%******** 192 [ 14] %%%%%%%%*** 224 [ 13] %%******** 256 [ 47] %%******************************** 320 [ 92] ****************************************************************** average: 265.3 kbps LR: 30 (15.54%) MS: 163 (84.46%) Writing LAME Tag...done C:\Music\LAMEsamples>c:\Lame\lame.exe --preset standard -q 0 fatboy.wav LAME version 3.95 MMX (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding fatboy.wav to fatboy.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=2) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=0 Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 191/193 (99%)| 0:04/ 0:04| 0:04/ 0:04| 1.1611x| 0:00 32 [ 1] * 96 [ 2] %* 112 [ 3] %% 128 [ 11] %%****** 160 [ 11] %%%%**** 192 [ 6] %*** 224 [ 16] %%%%******* 256 [ 40] %%%%%%%******************* 320 [103] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%************************************ average: 267.7 kbps LR: 73 (37.82%) MS: 120 (62.18%) Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -2.2dB C:\Music\LAMEsamples>c:\Lame\lame.exe --preset standard -q 1 fatboy.wav LAME version 3.95 MMX (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding fatboy.wav to fatboy.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=2) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=1 Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 191/193 (99%)| 0:02/ 0:02| 0:02/ 0:02| 2.0867x| 0:00 32 [ 1] * 96 [ 2] %* 112 [ 3] %* 128 [ 13] %%%****** 160 [ 7] %%%** 192 [ 8] ****** 224 [ 15] %%%%****** 256 [ 39] %%%%%%%****************** 320 [105] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%*********************************** average: 268.5 kbps LR: 73 (37.82%) MS: 120 (62.18%) Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -2.2dB C:\Music\LAMEsamples>c:\Lame\lame.exe --preset standard -q 2 fatboy.wav LAME version 3.95 MMX (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding fatboy.wav to fatboy.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=2) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=2 Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 191/193 (99%)| 0:01/ 0:01| 0:01/ 0:01| 4.4350x| 0:00 32 [ 1] * 96 [ 2] %* 112 [ 6] %%** 128 [ 6] %%** 160 [ 11] %%%***** 192 [ 4] %%* 224 [ 24] %%%%************ 256 [ 36] %%%%%%****************** 320 [103] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%*********************************** average: 268.1 kbps LR: 73 (37.82%) MS: 120 (62.18%) Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -2.2dB C:\Music\LAMEsamples>c:\Lame\lame.exe --preset standard fatboy.wav LAME version 3.95 MMX (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding fatboy.wav to fatboy.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=2) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=3 Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 191/193 (99%)| 0:01/ 0:01| 0:01/ 0:01| 4.4350x| 0:00 32 [ 1] * 96 [ 2] %* 112 [ 6] %%** 128 [ 6] %%** 160 [ 11] %%%***** 192 [ 4] %%* 224 [ 24] %%%%************ 256 [ 36] %%%%%%****************** 320 [103] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%*********************************** average: 268.1 kbps LR: 73 (37.82%) MS: 120 (62.18%) Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -2.2dB Both compiles are ICL 7.1 by john33, most probably same optimisations... This post has been edited by AstralStorm: Jan 13 2004, 22:33 -------------------- ruxvilti'a
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Jan 14 2004, 16:23
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#188
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Group: Members Posts: 1361 Joined: 25-November 02 Member No.: 3873 |
QUOTE (Gabriel @ Jan 13 2004, 06:37 AM) Well, it's not that much tweaking, after all in 3.95 --preset 128 is just --abr 128. But I agree that it is not very representative of real use. does this actually mean that the standard setting is an abr (JS) mode instead of cbr (Stereo) like it used to be? -------------------- --alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
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Jan 14 2004, 16:35
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LAME developer Group: Developer Posts: 2950 Joined: 1-October 01 From: Nanterre, France Member No.: 138 |
QUOTE does this actually mean that the standard setting is an abr (JS) mode instead of cbr (Stereo) like it used to be? The default encoding mode in Lame is still cbr/128/JS. Btw if you want to know what is the default mode, you can try it. |
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Jan 14 2004, 17:54
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Group: Members Posts: 296 Joined: 27-July 02 From: Germany Member No.: 2821 |
QUOTE -Xing 1.5 VBR quality normal Is that the newest version? I just read that (by Karl Lillevold: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ndpost&p=173122):QUOTE P.S. I have been told the Xing encoder is much improved since its first incarnation, which is usually not well spoken of  You can also download a free plug-in supporting all bitrates encoding for RealPlayer. I would really like to see (confirm  ) how bad it performs against Lame & other encoders using short blocks. I would be rather suprised not to see Xing at the last position, but this test could show the truth.
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Jan 14 2004, 17:58
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Rarewares admin Group: Members Posts: 7515 Joined: 30-September 01 From: Brazil Member No.: 81 |
As you can read some posts above this one, I had no luck installing RealOne. So, no, sorry, this isn't the latest Xing. There's nothing I can do about it
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