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post Apr 22 2013, 14:02
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I’m not denying the existence of the phenomenon, how interesting it can be, or even its usefulness in spheres such as medicine. What is bad is when people start charging money for products that offer nothing except abstract placebo and weaving wild fanciful tales of how they’re superior in concrete ways. Then you’ve moved from taking advantage of a psychological predisposition for therapeutic purposes, to exploiting people’s lack of knowledge to hawk products that are usually highly overpriced whilst also spreading ignorance and even mistrust of objective methods. The two aren’t comparable.

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post Apr 22 2013, 15:58
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post Apr 22 2013, 17:13
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I agree. It's bad when people take advantage of other people by using it. More understanding and acceptance of the phenomenon would help those being swindled. I've heard so many times the phrases "it can't be placebo cause I know about placebo!", or "...cause I was expecting the opposite!" which are missing the point completely.

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post Apr 22 2013, 18:17
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Well, I thought there could be moisture , dust or whatever on drivers , that would dissipate quickly after first use.
I got a particular experience with my old iems, the senn ie7 : I found them very bad out of the box, but this impression was gone less than a half hour after.
It's commonly believed at head-fi that the senn iems , needs lot of burning .




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post Apr 23 2013, 08:14
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QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Apr 22 2013, 18:17) *
It's commonly believed at head-fi that the senn iems , needs lot of burning .


And more than likely why you thought them bad out of the box. You've read the previous posts on placebo right?
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post Apr 24 2013, 04:40
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One would never be done if one took advice from what's "commonly believed" at head-fi. (Full disclosure: when I was a newbie here I also had the same burn-in questions, misinformation spread by head-fiers.)
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post Apr 24 2013, 06:07
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I don't see how sharing religion from another forum that is in clear opposition to this forum's principles is in any way constructive. Check the unsubstantiated beliefs at the door; they aren't welcome here. Extrabigmehdi, you've been here long enough to know better than to offer a logical fallacy of appealing to popularity, especially after there was a good-faith attempt to further the discussion through scientific experimentation.

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post Apr 24 2013, 16:42
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@probedb
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And more than likely why you thought them bad out of the box. You've read the previous posts on placebo right?

Placebo, would be indeed the most trivial explanation. But it must be the strongest placebo I've ever experienced . I went from a reaction of disgust, to an opposite one.
Unless there's a way for me, to confirm it was placebo; I won't reject any other explanation.

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Extrabigmehdi, you've been here long enough to know better than to offer a logical fallacy of appealing to popularity

I thought that the popularity of the phenomenon, makes it at least worth a discussion. Sorry, if that's not the case.
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post Apr 24 2013, 17:02
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My Senn HD555 was perfect out of the box and remained that way until now. Of course I don't have perfect memory of those first days, so it's hard to say if the phones have significantly degraded in those ~10 years of loving service.
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post Apr 24 2013, 17:46
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QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Apr 24 2013, 08:42) *
@probedb
Placebo, would be indeed the most trivial explanation.
A trivial explanation in this case is also the most likely one.

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But it must be the strongest placebo I've ever experienced.

This does not make it any less likely. Almost by definition you cannot evaluate subjectively and anecdotally how much of a placebo effect you're having.

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Unless there's a way for me, to confirm it was placebo; I won't reject any other explanation.

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post Apr 24 2013, 17:53
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QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Apr 24 2013, 08:42) *
I thought that the popularity of the phenomenon, makes it at least worth a discussion. Sorry, if that's not the case.

It's not the case.


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post Apr 25 2013, 14:01
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QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Apr 24 2013, 17:42) *
I thought that the popularity of the phenomenon, makes it at least worth a discussion. Sorry, if that's not the case.

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