AudioSAFE, New online backup concept |
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 Jul 26 2011, 23:04
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 Group: Developer Posts: 304 Joined: 29-April 11 From: Austria Member No.: 90198  |
Sorry, I missed that.
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Jul 27 2011, 04:29
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#77
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Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 14-August 06 Member No.: 34027 |
What is to stop a bored bittorrent kiddie from just endlessly uploading music (with no future aspirations of ever "restoring")?
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Jul 27 2011, 05:25
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Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 3-December 01 Member No.: 578 |
What would be the point of that, especially if it cost money to get music back?
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Jul 27 2011, 09:03
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Group: Members Posts: 900 Joined: 9-February 02 From: Cheshire, UK Member No.: 1296 |
Will the audiosafe client monitor your music collection for changes and automatically pick-up and synchronise those changes?
-------------------- daefeatures.co.uk
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Jul 27 2011, 09:11
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 dBpowerAMP developer Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 2653 Joined: 24-March 02 Member No.: 1615 |
Yes, it runs in the background.
-------------------- Spoon http://www.dbpoweramp.com
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Jul 27 2011, 10:15
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Group: Members Posts: 289 Joined: 27-November 09 Member No.: 75355 |
Can it run as a 'portable' program (no installation, no registry etc.)?
If not, that would be my feature request. |
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Jul 27 2011, 10:22
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dBpowerAMP developer Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 2653 Joined: 24-March 02 Member No.: 1615 |
Sorry that will not be possible. The design is install and forget, 99% of the time you would not even know it is there (save for an icon on the notify area).
-------------------- Spoon http://www.dbpoweramp.com
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Jul 27 2011, 11:48
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Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 19-November 06 Member No.: 37767 |
Is that model not dangerous for a backup program? Or is there a way to restore from a prior state?
I've only lost data due to a hard drive failure once since 1982, but have lost data three times due to bad RAM. The most recent time was a few years back while replaygaining many albums (unbeknownst to be with a bad memory stick). Long story short, about 10% of the files in that batch operation ended up corrupted and needed reripped. If the audiosafe client monitor had been running in the background, monitoring and uploading, would it have updated my (corrupt) changes? Would I be able to restore from the good point before said changes? -------------------- Creature of habit.
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Jul 27 2011, 12:00
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dBpowerAMP developer Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 2653 Joined: 24-March 02 Member No.: 1615 |
Current + Previous are stored, so a virus which corrupts the whole collection would be recoverable, even if those corrupted changes were uploaded.
-------------------- Spoon http://www.dbpoweramp.com
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Jul 27 2011, 12:25
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Group: Members Posts: 900 Joined: 9-February 02 From: Cheshire, UK Member No.: 1296 |
I'm very interested in this service. If the pricing is sensible it'll be something I can see myself using.
Good luck with this spoon. -------------------- daefeatures.co.uk
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Jul 27 2011, 12:31
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 Group: Members Posts: 452 Joined: 31-May 04 From: Czech Rep. Member No.: 14430 |
Isn't this susceptible to client reverse-engineering? If someone reverse-engineered the protocol, couldn't they mirror whatever music already on the server into their account without uploading anything?
-------------------- HD 238 Sansa Clip+ Vorbis q6; HD 380 Xonar DX FB2k FLAC
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Jul 27 2011, 12:38
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dBpowerAMP developer Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 2653 Joined: 24-March 02 Member No.: 1615 |
The server will not give out audio except that which is attributed to your account, no reverse engineering will help that. Pretty much like how funds in your bank are not easily transferred into another account, it is not in the interest of AudioSafe to allow this, or the banks.
Lets not for one minute think every designed system is impenetrable, but in this instance I think there is little incentive to do so, as the restore would be paid for. -------------------- Spoon http://www.dbpoweramp.com
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Jul 27 2011, 18:06
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Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 19-November 06 Member No.: 37767 |
QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 27 2011, 07:00)  Current + Previous are stored, so a virus which corrupts the whole collection would be recoverable, even if those corrupted changes were uploaded. Thank you for the response. I assume that means just the immediately prior state is saved, no manual restore points? Let me lay out what I think is a quite plausible scenario: 1 - Client installed 2 - Uncorrupted files added to collection 3 - Client syncs to safe 4 - Damage occurs (through user stupidity or malicious software or hardware failure) 5 - Client automagically syncs (unbeknownst to it) damaged files to safe. 6 - User edits tags. 7 - Client automagically syncs to safe. So if a user notices damage after #5 they are protected, but if they don't notice damage until after #7 they are out of luck? -------------------- Creature of habit.
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Jul 27 2011, 20:06
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 Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 1442 Joined: 11-February 03 From: Vermont Member No.: 4955 |
QUOTE (Soap @ Jul 27 2011, 13:06) QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 27 2011, 07:00) Current + Previous are stored, so a virus which corrupts the whole collection would be recoverable, even if those corrupted changes were uploaded. Thank you for the response. I assume that means just the immediately prior state is saved, no manual restore points? If it syncs more or less continuously then one change back wouldn't make much sense. If one operation (from the user's point of view) changes 10 files, that could count as 10 states. I would hope that "previous" means any previous state for some reasonable amount of time (or maybe since creation of the initial backup.) This post has been edited by DonP: Jul 28 2011, 03:10 |
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Jul 28 2011, 03:12
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Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 19-November 06 Member No.: 37767 |
QUOTE (DonP @ Jul 27 2011, 15:06) If it syncs more or less continuously then one change back wouldn't make much sense. If one operation (from the user's point of view) changes 10 files, that could count as 10 states. I would hope that "previous" means any previous state for some reasonable amount of time (or maybe since creation of the initial backup.) I'm assuming "previous" is a concept unique to each file. If one operation (from the user's point of view) changes 10 files I'm assuming that counts as 1 state change x 10 files, not as 10 state changes. -------------------- Creature of habit.
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Jul 31 2011, 09:59
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 Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 713 Joined: 1-December 07 Member No.: 49165 |
QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 23 2011, 08:23) Album art is not part of the 500 MB quota. I will endeavor to put up a T&C and privacy statement ASAP And when will this be done? I am dying to see your clauses for harvesting user information. Steam does it, iTunes does it, a lot of other places do it, so I don't see how your "cloud" based service will be any different to be quite honest. 
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Aug 3 2011, 14:25
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Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 3-March 06 From: this planet Member No.: 28235 |
AudioSafe beta program has just begun and I've already started uploading my music archive.
My question is that AudioSafe skips valid MP3 files, showing these errors in its log: CODE 13:21:12 : Could not process file : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Reason: Unexpected file contents. Should I upload these "damaged" files somewhere so that you could fix your application? Upload speed is abysmal:  - yep, that's 38KB/sec (~300KBit/sec) upload speed.
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Aug 3 2011, 14:38
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 Group: Admin Posts: 3226 Joined: 30-September 01 Member No.: 84 |
Feel free to use the uploads forum to upload problematic files, they will; your post will be removed as soon as relevant developers get the files.
-------------------- This job would be great if it wasn't for the users.
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Aug 3 2011, 14:41
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dBpowerAMP developer Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 2653 Joined: 24-March 02 Member No.: 1615 |
In the AudioSAFE Status page >> Tools >> settings - here you set how much bandwidth is allocated to AudioSAFE, normally 50% of your upload. What is your maximum upload speed?
-------------------- Spoon http://www.dbpoweramp.com
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Aug 3 2011, 14:42
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Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 3-March 06 From: this planet Member No.: 28235 |
QUOTE (Peter @ Aug 3 2011, 19:38) Feel free to use the uploads forum to upload problematic files, they will; your post will be removed as soon as relevant developers get the files. I guess I will upload them secretly and give a link straight to relevant people. Besides files are large enough and probably can't be uploaded to Hydrogenaudio Forums anyway (due to your restrictions/policy/whatever). |
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Aug 3 2011, 14:45
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Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 3-March 06 From: this planet Member No.: 28235 |
QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 3 2011, 19:41) In the AudioSAFE Status page >> Tools >> settings - here you set how much bandwidth is allocated to AudioSAFE, normally 50% of your upload. What is your maximum upload speed? 10Mbit at the moment, and the the bandwidth slider is at 100%. This post has been edited by birdie: Aug 3 2011, 14:45 |
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Aug 3 2011, 14:47
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 Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 1350 Joined: 4-March 02 From: Indianapolis, IN Member No.: 1440 |
QUOTE (birdie @ Aug 3 2011, 09:25) Upload speed is abysmal: - yep, that's 38KB/sec (~300KBit/sec) upload speed. ~300KBit/sec is a pretty typical upload speed for most broadband connections, unless you've upgraded to a faster (read more expensive) package. -------------------- Wait Master, it might be dangerous... you go first.
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Aug 3 2011, 14:50
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Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 3-March 06 From: this planet Member No.: 28235 |
QUOTE (indybrett @ Aug 3 2011, 19:47) ~300KBit/sec is a pretty typical upload speed for most broadband connections, unless you've upgraded to a faster (read more expensive) package. Right now it's 10Mbit/sec. At night it's around 50Mbit/sec. |
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Aug 3 2011, 14:52
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Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 1350 Joined: 4-March 02 From: Indianapolis, IN Member No.: 1440 |
QUOTE (birdie @ Aug 3 2011, 09:50) QUOTE (indybrett @ Aug 3 2011, 19:47) ~300KBit/sec is a pretty typical upload speed for most broadband connections, unless you've upgraded to a faster (read more expensive) package. Right now it's 10Mbit/sec. At night it's around 50Mbit/sec. That's a substantial difference, lol. -------------------- Wait Master, it might be dangerous... you go first.
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Aug 3 2011, 14:56
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dBpowerAMP developer Group: Developer (Donating) Posts: 2653 Joined: 24-March 02 Member No.: 1615 |
-------------------- Spoon http://www.dbpoweramp.com
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