What does this CUETools log mean? Options

[guest65]

Hi all,

I have a CD that I'm worried might be a bootleg. After ripping the files, I tried verifying them with CUETools, and got this:

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[CUETools log; Date: 2012-07-24 00:46:35; Version: 2.1.2a]
[CTDB TOCID: n3RU_0UOvI7h0M_MlBoS3Jao_0Y-] found.
[ CTDBID ] Status
[8d097da7] (2/2) Accurately ripped
[AccurateRip ID: 00710fa3-0c62b252-67115129] found.
Track [ CRC ] Status
01 [ea4edbb2] (00/10) No match
02 [0b34e4db] (00/10) No match
03 [f928b3a0] (00/11) No match
04 [35cbc6ba] (00/10) No match
05 [2d665309] (00/10) No match
06 [daee7caa] (00/10) No match
07 [d2e25840] (00/10) No match
08 [51668655] (00/10) No match
09 [edcea3cf] (00/10) No match
10 [3de06c8c] (00/10) No match
11 [0c9d57bb] (00/10) No match
12 [65e630b7] (00/10) No match
13 [581ad882] (00/10) No match
14 [1df65cca] (00/10) No match
15 [46fd6ae5] (00/10) No match
16 [6dc0df92] (00/10) No match
17 [5abd9fbc] (00/10) No match
18 [7ab38849] (00/10) No match
19 [69581377] (00/10) No match
20 [9b5e6061] (00/10) No match
21 [dd456b1e] (00/10) No match
22 [381f9826] (00/10) No match
23 [c790ac52] (00/10) No match
24 [3e08f570] (00/10) No match
25 [401d94ee] (00/10) No match
26 [e1204b8e] (00/10) No match
27 [c7be90a1] (00/10) No match
28 [a98daf1a] (00/10) No match
29 [1d0acc6e] (00/10) No match
30 [b208e32c] (00/10) No match
31 [9e565ae7] (00/10) No match
32 [37470a24] (00/10) No match
33 [332efde8] (00/10) No match
34 [d43a516e] (00/10) No match
35 [1e2471d0] (00/10) No match
36 [000697e4] (00/10) No match
37 [52a9f2d2] (00/09) No match
38 [79d6c111] (00/09) No match
39 [7cab84be] (00/09) No match
40 [fa4dcc8b] (00/10) No match
41 [8c49be1e] (00/10) No match
Offsetted by 122:
01 [173bdc28] (08/10) Accurately ripped
02 [60c098a7] (08/10) Accurately ripped
03 [0fbda46a] (09/11) Accurately ripped
04 [2e40fe56] (08/10) Accurately ripped
05 [01acf061] (08/10) Accurately ripped
06 [9e47501c] (08/10) Accurately ripped
07 [fbd9935c] (08/10) Accurately ripped
08 [40152061] (08/10) Accurately ripped
09 [81c600db] (08/10) Accurately ripped
10 [12d6d0b8] (08/10) Accurately ripped
11 [26a601e7] (08/10) Accurately ripped
12 [85451f5b] (08/10) Accurately ripped
13 [9b53249c] (08/10) Accurately ripped
14 [252ca1aa] (08/10) Accurately ripped
15 [3298331b] (08/10) Accurately ripped
16 [ee1e0b7a] (08/10) Accurately ripped
17 [825d24de] (08/10) Accurately ripped
18 [e04031cd] (08/10) Accurately ripped
19 [928d81e7] (08/10) Accurately ripped
20 [c1cd44b5] (08/10) Accurately ripped
21 [87d75164] (08/10) Accurately ripped
22 [2ffdd206] (08/10) Accurately ripped
23 [1b1aea90] (08/10) Accurately ripped
24 [98abe70c] (08/10) Accurately ripped
25 [7d77c6ca] (08/10) Accurately ripped
26 [64cb2cd6] (08/10) Accurately ripped
27 [00bf2d09] (08/10) Accurately ripped
28 [7d483956] (08/10) Accurately ripped
29 [4eddfe6e] (08/10) Accurately ripped
30 [e4123ff0] (08/10) Accurately ripped
31 [20bf5d4b] (08/10) Accurately ripped
32 [7ce4f2ba] (08/10) Accurately ripped
33 [f094af26] (08/10) Accurately ripped
34 [9b0b32be] (08/10) Accurately ripped
35 [456fae8c] (08/10) Accurately ripped
36 [2536ef7a] (08/10) Accurately ripped
37 [dc86d5f8] (07/09) Accurately ripped
38 [5a7a9a2f] (07/09) Accurately ripped
39 [b9d02874] (07/09) Accurately ripped
40 [f94aae4b] (08/10) Accurately ripped
41 [c17a7a44] (08/10) Accurately ripped

Track Peak [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL]
-- 97.3 [40ECEEB0] [2477539F]
01 32.6 [E03AE8EE] [2E5B03C2]
02 97.3 [EC93CE9E] [3CA7B808]
03 96.0 [4EE3C1AC] [87003ECF]
04 91.8 [EDF37994] [F71A7CF7]
05 80.8 [32142C4F] [9181BDF9]
06 92.2 [FEF363A1] [AC5D3FA8]
07 91.3 [B2B15BE6] [F12275F1]
08 56.3 [C13BCD1A] [AC2DC724]
09 46.9 [ED766E46] [7E66A41B]
10 72.5 [F16CC068] [F9826FBD]
11 69.4 [92076BA9] [D0046200]
12 63.3 [8B665D71] [64B251D1]
13 91.3 [61E594B8] [376BA8B9]
14 92.1 [F138D32C] [985C4A08]
15 84.1 [F4EE6160] [F6BBE54B]
16 70.6 [F91D346F] [377C3302]
17 91.1 [F711CDC9] [5C45E4B4]
18 91.6 [5BD83BBA] [B7F73E3B]
19 92.5 [67313FC0] [26A7FE2C]
20 69.2 [3CDAAA76] [1D51F97B]
21 91.4 [277E1DF0] [12BA0397]
22 91.7 [4F4D451F] [427EC35B]
23 85.5 [BE6CE282] [50BDDC13]
24 91.3 [2816E5A4] [15272A92]
25 91.5 [BDA18171] [BCE9EBF2]
26 94.4 [97457756] [F0FE5A45]
27 91.4 [44B58A87] [799A7F59]
28 93.7 [B23D3E33] [A1118486]
29 92.8 [29480C67] [B108870C]
30 92.1 [5FF6E998] [5ABD14C7]
31 92.5 [F54631F4] [DF31A597]
32 93.8 [2C04F6F5] [08F9A145]
33 86.2 [882F5B63] [B2913EA0]
34 91.3 [E5ADE73C] [9E84CFCB]
35 91.7 [8249873D] [DC6CCDDE]
36 91.4 [91B50521] [11F8F3EC]
37 91.1 [DC13F2BB] [CC7FCA37]
38 29.9 [77CED58D] [8D96B9BC]
39 91.3 [24FD0A06] [9DD46F85]
40 83.8 [D732222D] [AB26758D]
41 92.9 [69EA2636] [F3CB49E1]

I don't have much experience with these things, but it seems inconclusive. What exactly does it mean?

This post has been edited by db1989: Jul 24 2012, 06:41

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[Canar]

This log suggests to me that your rip is fine but your offset is incorrect.

[guest65]

My offset is correctly configured to +6, as confirmed by many other rips and the AccurateRip drive offsets database.

Could the CD itself have such a large offset? I thought AccurateRip v2 was supposed to be able to verify pressings regardless of offset, yet it doesn't when I rip the CD with EAC.

[Dario]

If this is a recent re-issue (or as you’re fearing, a bootleg—although it does not have to be one) then the offsets are different simply because the CDs come from different pressing plants—and the entries in the AccurateRip database all come from the “original” pressing. There is nothing to fear.

Could the CD itself have such a large offset?

Yes. There are even pressings whose offsets are different by 600+ samples.

I thought AccurateRip v2 was supposed to be able to verify pressings regardless of offset, yet it doesn't when I rip the CD with EAC.

Nope. As a matter of fact, CUETools is unable to do cross-pressing verification using ARv2 (only v1 can do that, and v1 is exactly what you’re using).

This post has been edited by Dario: Jul 24 2012, 00:29

[Porcus]

I ripped a few thousand CDs in the era before cross-pressing verification, and more than five percent of my CDs had everything “inaccurate” (meaning that for each of those CDs, both of the following applied: for every track, there was an AR entry which did not match, and for none of the tracks there was a matching one).

Just for illustration, the following is a foobar2000-generated AccurateRip lookup of my pressing of Frank Zappa: Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar, disc 3, which upon ripping in 2008 (without cross-pressing verification) scored Inaccurate (11, give or take a couple). Disc #1 and #2 of the same set were Accurate with the same score. This was some US music club release version. Now four years later, look at this:

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Track [ CRC ] Status
01 [3162a3ed] (10/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #4
02 [549d0d53] (10/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #4
03 [4ac7c1c8] (10/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #4
04 [f58176f1] (10/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #4
05 [cfce27cd] (09/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #4
06 [4572a156] (10/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #4
Offseted by -549:
01 [680148b3] (08/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #5
02 [8b09d433] (08/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #5
03 [106e1eef] (08/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #5
04 [62f9e1d4] (08/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #5
05 [af30b0ae] (08/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #5
06 [3322907c] (08/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #5
Offseted by -520:
01 [66ef2550] (12/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #3
02 [ae2f68b3] (12/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #3
03 [7f17489f] (12/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #3
04 [5f2ce1fa] (12/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #3
05 [661abc1b] (12/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #3
06 [882bc0a5] (10/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #3
Offseted by -233:
01 [101c626d] (06/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #6
02 [d456f34a] (06/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #6
03 [92669407] (06/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #6
04 [9e684660] (06/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #6
05 [32895c52] (06/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #6
06 [de748dfa] (06/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #6
Offseted by 78:
01 [e1a6c392] (03/125) Partial match to pressing(s) #7
02 [2a85a005] (03/125) Partial match to pressing(s) #7
03 [bbbba805] (02/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #7
04 [6acb927f] (03/126) Partial match to pressing(s) #7
05 [4933c359] (02/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #8
06 [61b799cb] (02/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #8
Offseted by 144:
01 [ceac40de] (46/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #1
02 [c612cc63] (46/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #1
03 [89a8255e] (47/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #1
04 [226110b3] (47/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #1
05 [3f39fca6] (47/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #1
06 [04ba6f52] (47/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #1
Offseted by 667:
01 [8249aeac] (36/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #2
02 [239bcc0d] (36/125) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #2
03 [add7f818] (36/127) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #2
04 [f677b4f3] (36/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #2
05 [7704225b] (35/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #2
06 [1dde1af7] (36/126) Accurately ripped as in pressing(s) #2

Track [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL]
01 [8B8445BE] [3C99E0EC]
02 [BD638F2D] [6E1CBA7B]
03 [25E81410] [2D1E968C]
04 [A51F083A] [41F5E7E2]
05 [EC8F651F] [FA96A033]
06 [AA469CA4] [98C9ED3A]

Offsets ranging -549 to +667. Actually, I have seen +2186.

This post has been edited by Porcus: Jul 24 2012, 00:46

[guest65]

Thank you for your answers.

Upon closer inspection, this appears to be an unusual European release of a Japanese album, which would agree well with the different pressing plants thing.

I thought I had to use CUETools to do post-ripping AR verification. How is it done in Foobar?

[Dario]

I thought I had to use CUETools to do post-ripping AR verification. How is it done in Foobar?

By using foo_verifier. However, it’s very lacking, especially when compared to CUETools—it only checks against the ARv1 database and for discs with HTOA or data tracks you have to load the cue sheet, which can be problematic for people who do per-track rips and don’t store cue sheets (whereas with CUETools you can just specify the length of the HTOA and/or the data track).

This post has been edited by Dario: Jul 24 2012, 01:22

[guest65]

Thank you all for your help.