Hydrogenaudio Server Switch, Software and hardware upgrade Options

[fbuser]

Thank you for your effort. Now I'm getting the last post of a topic but with the date of the first post. This will probably cause that I still get only one notificaton per topic. I will see, if I get a notification for this post.

Edit: My assumption was correct. I did not get a notification for this post, the notification for the post above was the only one for this topic.

This post has been edited by fbuser: Jan 29 2009, 14:16

[Synthetic Soul]

Hmm, I simply don't see the lines you posted in the output! I see this:

CODE

  <td nowrap='nowrap' id='ed-0_options-bar' class="rte-option-panel" style='width:0px;' valign='top'></td>
  <td id='ed-0_spacer-bar' width='4px'>&nbsp;</td>
  <td nowrap='nowrap' style='width:100%;' id='ed-0_main-bar' class="rte-buttonbar" valign='top'>

No, if I look at the page source in FF (Windows) or Chrome I see what you see; Firebug is showing me what is actually happening with the DOM. It turns out that the style is actually applied to the DOM by the Javascript file "jscripts/ips_text_editor_func.js", which is a bitch to look at as it has been minified. Somewhere in that one line of code there is:

CODE

var _options=document.getElementById(editor_id+'_options-bar');
...
_options.style.width='auto';_options.style.height='auto';_options.style.display='block';

This probably doesn't really help you. I guess a post to IPB would be more prudent.

Edit: doing a search for that file name seems to produce a few relevant results; the first certainly looks relevant:

http://invisionmodding.com/index.php?autoc...amp;article=453

It looks like you have access to the "Development" files, which are not minified. You can edit those then minify them, using an online JSMinify or YUI Compressor frontend.

This post has been edited by Synthetic Soul: Jan 29 2009, 14:37

[Garf]

Thank you for your effort. Now I'm getting the last post of a topic but with the date of the first post. This will probably cause that I still get only one notificaton per topic. I will see, if I get a notification for this post.

Edit: My assumption was correct. I did not get a notification for this post, the notification for the post above was the only one for this topic.

I changed the RSS output so pubDate is now the last post. I think that should really fix it.

[Garf]

Hmm, I simply don't see the lines you posted in the output! I see this:

CODE

  <td nowrap='nowrap' id='ed-0_options-bar' class="rte-option-panel" style='width:0px;' valign='top'></td>
   <td id='ed-0_spacer-bar' width='4px'>&nbsp;</td>
   <td nowrap='nowrap' style='width:100%;' id='ed-0_main-bar' class="rte-buttonbar" valign='top'>

No, if I look at the page source in FF (Windows) or Chrome I see what you see; Firebug is showing me what is actually happening with the DOM. It turns out that the style is actually applied to the DOM by the Javascript file "jscripts/ips_text_editor_func.js", which is a bitch to look at as it has been minified. Somewhere in that one line of code there is:

CODE

var _options=document.getElementById(editor_id+'_options-bar');
...
_options.style.width='auto';_options.style.height='auto';_options.style.display='block';

This probably doesn't really help you. I guess a post to IPB would be more prudent.

I think it is now mostly fixed. Thanks for the help. Also thanks for the hint wrt Firebug, I was still using the Web developer extensions, which doesn't seem as well-featured.

[Alexxander]

What about the Quick Edit mode I posted about yesterday? Is it just me or do others also have problems with the "Complete Edit" and the "Use Full Editor" buttons?

Edit: Quick Edit and Use Full Editor work now!
Edit2: tested again with FireFox3

This post has been edited by Alexxander: Jan 29 2009, 18:04

[k.eight.a]

What about the Quick Edit mode I posted about yesterday? Is it just me or do others also have problems with the "Complete Edit" and the "Use Full Editor" buttons?

I haven't had any issue with this feature when using it on my FireFox 3.0.5 at Ubuntu Linux 8.04 LTS.

[fbuser]

Thank you for your effort. Now I'm getting the last post of a topic but with the date of the first post. This will probably cause that I still get only one notificaton per topic. I will see, if I get a notification for this post.

Edit: My assumption was correct. I did not get a notification for this post, the notification for the post above was the only one for this topic.

I changed the RSS output so pubDate is now the last post. I think that should really fix it.

Thanks again. Basically it is know working as expected. There are only a few glitches, which I didn't expect to be removed nor do I know if it's even possible, but I want to inform you about it:

• if there arrives more than one post for a topic during the polling interval of my RSS reader, I will only get a notification for the last post. So to be absolutely sure I'm not missing anything, I have to open the RSS item, although the full post was sent
• In some few cases I get only the header of a post instead of the full post. Unfortunately I can't find any rule, when this happens.
• It is sometimes not easy to read a post with quotes with the RSS reader, because it is not always possible to identify where a quote ends. Here is an example how it looks like in the RSS reader:
  

  QUOTE (Bruce-in-Philly @ Jan 28 2009, 05:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
  CD players, in particular my stupidly expensive Accuphase, are designed to reduce jitter while a PC is not. PCs don't care about jitter (as long as it is not massive) to pass the letter "A" or "4" through the system for display on your screen. Reconstruction of an analog wave is a totally different endeavor so your assumption that a PC produces a better signal is very inaccurate when it comes to jitter.
  You are right, a PC does not care whether a chunk of data that it writes to the audio hardware's buffer gets there a few milliseconds sooner or later - as long as it can keep that buffer sufficiently full. (If it can't, that will result in drop-outs, not in jitter.) The audio hardware then feeds that data into a DAC or a digital output, and whether/how much jitter is introduced there depends primarily on the quality of the clock it uses. Like with CD players, there are differences between cheap and expensive soundcards (or onboard audio hardware). If you examine the properties of individual components of your audio processing chain, please consider that a PC has several components as well, it is not a monolithic unit.

  Here the quote ends after "... when it comes to jitter."
• There is no author sent with a RSS item, so I have to open it, to see who wrote a post
• And a last one, which is not directly RSS related: Opening a RSS item uses for example the following link: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....view=getnewpost. But the first time I open it I'm redirected to http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry609028. This does not lead me to the last post. Instead I'm directed to some posts above the last post. But opening the RSS item a second time redirects me to this link: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry611882. This is now correctly the last post of a topic

[Garf]

Thanks again. Basically it is know working as expected. There are only a few glitches, which I didn't expect to be removed nor do I know if it's even possible, but I want to inform you about it:

• if there arrives more than one post for a topic during the polling interval of my RSS reader, I will only get a notification for the last post. So to be absolutely sure I'm not missing anything, I have to open the RSS item, although the full post was sent
• In some few cases I get only the header of a post instead of the full post. Unfortunately I can't find any rule, when this happens.
• It is sometimes not easy to read a post with quotes with the RSS reader, because it is not always possible to identify where a quote ends. Here is an example how it looks like in the RSS reader:
  

  QUOTE (Bruce-in-Philly @ Jan 28 2009, 05:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
  CD players, in particular my stupidly expensive Accuphase, are designed to reduce jitter while a PC is not. PCs don't care about jitter (as long as it is not massive) to pass the letter "A" or "4" through the system for display on your screen. Reconstruction of an analog wave is a totally different endeavor so your assumption that a PC produces a better signal is very inaccurate when it comes to jitter.
  You are right, a PC does not care whether a chunk of data that it writes to the audio hardware's buffer gets there a few milliseconds sooner or later - as long as it can keep that buffer sufficiently full. (If it can't, that will result in drop-outs, not in jitter.) The audio hardware then feeds that data into a DAC or a digital output, and whether/how much jitter is introduced there depends primarily on the quality of the clock it uses. Like with CD players, there are differences between cheap and expensive soundcards (or onboard audio hardware). If you examine the properties of individual components of your audio processing chain, please consider that a PC has several components as well, it is not a monolithic unit.

  Here the quote ends after "... when it comes to jitter."
• There is no author sent with a RSS item, so I have to open it, to see who wrote a post
• And a last one, which is not directly RSS related: Opening a RSS item uses for example the following link: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....view=getnewpost. But the first time I open it I'm redirected to http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry609028. This does not lead me to the last post. Instead I'm directed to some posts above the last post. But opening the RSS item a second time redirects me to this link: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry611882. This is now correctly the last post of a topic

I think properly fixing this requires the RSS feed to be split up into 2 feeds: a "topics" feed, which just shows headers, uses "getnewpost" (last unread post), and a "posts" feed, which includes all posts. Quite doable.

The content of the post feed (the way it presents in the RSS reader) won't be changed. The IPB code has to remangle the markup to something that is acceptable for RSS, and I won't be touching this. Including author shouldn't be a problem, though.

[Nick.C]

The logged-in cookie is timing out after a short time requiring the user to log back in.

[smok3]

interesting that they still use html tables (ipboard i mean).

edit: the ha logo needs some white space around it, right now it looks squished.


This post has been edited by smok3: Feb 2 2009, 21:57

[Garf]

The logged-in cookie is timing out after a short time requiring the user to log back in.

Seems to be by design. Changed to 30 days.

[Nick.C]

Many thanks, Garf.

[Nick.C]

Sorry to be a pest - but when I change PC's from which I am accessing the site (laptop to desktop) I seem to require to login again - is that normal behaviour?

[Egor]

Sorry to be a pest - but when I change PC's from which I am accessing the site (laptop to desktop) I seem to require to login again - is that normal behaviour?

Try to mark the checkbox to remember you on the login page, then next time your browser should login seamlessly. Also, your browser should keep cookies (do not delete cookies on exit/close), I presume .

[Nick.C]

I'm using the same PC's as before the switch and always have the "remember me" tick-box ticked.

It could be something to do with cookie refresh, I suppose.

[Akkurat]

I finally had the time to test out this new forum.

1) Topic Subscription Reply Notification

"There may be more replies to this topic, but only 1 email is sent per board visit for each subscribed topic. This is to limit the amount of mail that is sent to your inbox."

- Old HA forum ignored this and always sent an email. Please bring it back! Please! I don't want to login every time just to get new notifications in the future! I usually only login when it's needed (writing posts). I already have missed couple of posts because of this... I wonder how many I've not noticed.

2) "Your daily new topics digest" emails aren't showing any links to the topics for Forum Subscriptions. Major drag. Dunno how this was with the old forum. For some reason I started to get daily digests from "Validated News" forum after the forum update. IIRC I had no digests before the change.

3) Why is the "Remember me?" on by default in login page? Was that default in the old forum? I use Opera's Wand feature, so I easily forget to check that off. And what does it actually do? Am I quickly booted out if I don't put it on when logging in?

4) "My Controls" page minor style bug

1) go to "My Controls" and notice the look of the "Menu" box
2) click any link in the "Messenger" section
= notice how the look of the Menu changes

5) The "http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/ssi.php?a=out&f=1,2,3,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,30,31,32,35,36,40&show=20&type=rss" RSS was removed, why? Not needed anymore? I used that RSS + the "Posts" feed to get all (maybe) topics to show in my GreatNews RSS reader. Constantly the other feed showed posts which the other didn't.. I'm not sure if this is because of my RSS reader (I can see couple of missed posts in the RSS feed now).. I'm going to try FeedDemon and see if that performs better. Or has anyone noticed that the RSS feeds misses some posts?


Hate to say but the old forum version was better for me, the usability has taken a hit because of the "Topic Subscription Reply Notification" feature change.

[fbuser]

Or has anyone noticed that the RSS feeds misses some posts?

• if there arrives more than one post for a topic during the polling interval of my RSS reader, I will only get a notification for the last post. So to be absolutely sure I'm not missing anything, I have to open the RSS item, although the full post was sent

[shakey_snake]

I'm using the same PC's as before the switch and always have the "remember me" tick-box ticked.

It could be something to do with cookie refresh, I suppose.

I believe so. I've run into the same inconvenience on another IPB site running the latest version.

[Nick.C]

It's still happening - *very* annoying.

What I don't understand is that I have not changed the way I login in any way - it must be something to do with the boards - maybe to do with IP address changing for the same user.

[Egor]

It's still happening - *very* annoying.

Try a different browser, maybe: Opera, Safari. I visit the site from different locations (even from Opera Mini sometimes), and fortunately don't experience the problem you have.

[Nick.C]

I'm using the same two browsers that I was using before: IE and Firefox. No settings have been changed on my side.

[Garf]

I'm using the same two browsers that I was using before: IE and Firefox. No settings have been changed on my side.

Does the problem still exist now?

[Akkurat]

if there arrives more than one post for a topic during the polling interval of my RSS reader, I will only get a notification for the last post. So to be absolutely sure I'm not missing anything, I have to open the RSS item, although the full post was sent

The problem I'm seeing is not actually this. There's just entirely missed posts (not in history either.. within many days), it's got nothing to do with the more than one post during polling interval (I've set it to 1 hour), some posts just doesn't show up (*). And I'm only "reading" RSS headers in my RSS reader. I always click the link to open in my browser IF I want to read that topic.

* In example this:
The HA "Latest Posts" lists these sequentially:

• Hydrogenaudio Server Switch
• MusicBee v0.2
• Recommended AC-3 encoder
• Create CoverSearch

GreatNews RSS reader:

• Hydrogenaudio Server Switch
• Recommended AC-3 encoder
• Create CoverSearch

The last "MusicBee v0.2" RSS item found from the GreatNews is from 18.1.2009 12:16 PM!!! There's 16 new posts after that!

I have "mark changed items unread" option on, if that makes a difference here.

Either GreatNews is bugging out or it's HA forum RSS feed. I'm going to install FeedDemon today, it takes at least couple of days to test & compare it to the GreatNews.. I'll get back to this later. Maybe others should keep an eye on this too with their RSS readers.


No comments for the other issues I wrote?

[fbuser]

I'm using the Firefox extension Brief as RSS Reader and I got the mentioned MusicBee RSS item.

[Nick.C]

Does the problem still exist now?

Thanks Garf - I'll let you know when I get home - that's when would next happen.