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24/192 Music Downloads ...and why they make no sense, was: For a change, an audio article on the web that makes sense
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post Feb 6 2013, 11:34
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This will ruin your day - an article that makes a lot of sense and says everything correctly! ;-)

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

"24/192 Music Downloads ...and why they make no sense"

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Articles last month revealed that musician Neil Young and Apple's Steve Jobs discussed offering digital music downloads of 'uncompromised studio quality'. Much of the press and user commentary was particularly enthusiastic about the prospect of uncompressed 24 bit 192kHz downloads. 24/192 featured prominently in my own conversations with Mr. Young's group several months ago.

Unfortunately, there is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format. Its playback fidelity is slightly inferior to 16/44.1 or 16/48, and it takes up 6 times the space.

There are a few real problems with the audio quality and 'experience' of digitally distributed music today. 24/192 solves none of them. While everyone fixates on 24/192 as a magic bullet, we're not going to see any actual improvement.

First, the bad news

In the past few weeks, I've had conversations with intelligent, scientifically minded individuals who believe in 24/192 downloads and want to know how anyone could possibly disagree. They asked good questions that deserve detailed answers.

I was also interested in what motivated high-rate digital audio advocacy. Responses indicate that few people understand basic signal theory or the sampling theorem, which is hardly surprising. Misunderstandings of the mathematics, technology, and physiology arose in most of the conversations, often asserted by professionals who otherwise possessed significant audio expertise. Some even argued that the sampling theorem doesn't really explain how digital audio actually works [1].

Misinformation and superstition only serve charlatans. So, let's cover some of the basics of why 24/192 distribution makes no sense before suggesting some improvements that actually do.
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and it just goes on and on with the same kind of verbiage.

Good Job!

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Frank Bicking
post Feb 6 2013, 11:41
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This has already been discussed:
xiphmont’s ‘There is no point to distributing music in 24 bit/192 kHz’


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post Feb 6 2013, 13:19
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 6 2013, 05:34) *
This will ruin your day - an article that makes a lot of sense and says everything correctly! ;-)

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

"24/192 Music Downloads ...and why they make no sense"

An excerpt:
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Its playback fidelity is slightly inferior to 16/44.1 or 16/48, and it takes up 6 times the space.


I agree with most of this, but "slightly inferior"? Where does that come from?
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post Feb 6 2013, 13:41
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QUOTE (Frank Bicking @ Feb 6 2013, 05:41) *



Yeah, I even posted to that thread.
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post Feb 6 2013, 14:20
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ArnieBK:
As Frank Bicking points out, this thread is likely somewhat – except that the TOS might prevent a bump that the other one could need.


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"slightly inferior"? Where does that come from?


Unless your hifi filters away ultrasonics, then your tweeters will have to work harder. And before that, there's intermodulation distortion.

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post Feb 6 2013, 15:19
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 6 2013, 12:41) *
Yeah, I even posted to that thread.
And so you created this thread because…?
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post Feb 6 2013, 15:44
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QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 6 2013, 15:19) *
And so you created this thread because…?


Memory lapse.
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