List of DAE Drive Features, EAC & CD Paranoia Options

[evereux]

Some days ago, I submitted a new entry but i made a mistake. I tried to email to you twice, but I got no reply. Please fix the table with these settings:

CODE

   Manufacturer: JLMS
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: XJ-HD163D
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: Yes
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +594
       Firmware: GHR8

I see you added the drive features again? I've deleted the original entry.

If ever there's a problem with someone's submission contact myself direct. I'll correct the issue ASAP.

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but my PCs power supply decided to throw out some nice sparks.

[Synthetic Soul]

How did you get the positive symbols to appear in Excel?

You must format the cells as text and add a space before the positive symbol.

Or use a custom format on the cell like "+0;-0;0" - or something fancy like "[blue]+0;[red]-0;[green]0"

(right-click > Format Cells... > Number Tab > Custom Category > enter format)

You can also use conditional formatting (Format > Conditional Formatting... > ... )

Edit: in fact adding a space to turn the cell into text is really bad practise. By doing so you are poluting your data and relinquishing any possibility to use the figures in mathematical operations. You shouldn't corrupt your data for the sake of aesthetics - especially as XL provides various ways to solve this minor problem.

This post has been edited by Synthetic Soul: May 1 2005, 07:38

[HbG]

Here's my contribution:

CODE

   Manufacturer: TEAC
           Type: CD-ROM
          Model: CD-532S
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: No
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +258
       Firmware: 3.0A

CODE

   Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: SD-M1401
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +252
       Firmware: 1008

CODE

   Manufacturer: RICOH
           Type: MP6200S
          Model:
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +253
       Firmware: 2.40

The Ricoh drive is a CD-RW, and has a long history of acting weird.
The read offsets seem remarkably similar, i used Tracy Chapman to detect them.
I've not thoroughly tested the C2 feature of the Ricoh drive, it works for the Toshiba though.

This post has been edited by HbG: May 14 2005, 14:58

[baldrick]

Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD±R/RW Recorder
Model - DVR-107D
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - 1.20



These values are identical to Pioneer DVR-106D.
The Write Offset is the same : +18

[evereux]

http://www.daefeatures.co.uk has now been updated to include the following features:

• Users can now edit their drive submissions.
• Users can now input a drives write offset.

If a user has some drive info's that they didn't input via the site (eg they came from another list) they won't be able to edit those info's. If those users would like to register and have those drive info's associated with their login so they can edit them, let me know.

Also, you can now link to the search form to show only one particular drive manufacturer:
http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/search.php?man=PLEXTOR

The email address paul atnospam daefeatures.co.uk hasn't been working until very recently. My apologies to those that may have sent me an email and didn't get a reply.


Any problems, please let me know.

[Pop]

Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD±R/RW Recorder
Model - DVR-108
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - 1.20

[TCM]

Accurate Stream: No problem
Caching: This one is hit and miss to detect,
C2 Error Info: The firmware could lie about it's implementation / implementation could be poor you would need a cd with intentional errors

i cannot comment on accurate stream, but "drive caches" can always be turned ON and "c2 error info" can always be turned OFF as a fail-safe fallback. all you get is a speed decrease with added safety.

especially c2 was unreliable with my liteon ltr-24103s. the drive reports c2 but repeatedly reripping a track would yield a different checksum each time. scary. so better be safe than sorry and keep those two options at their slow-but-reliable setting. my opinion.

edit: unless you mass-rip hundreds of cds where you need the speed. but i'd very carefully verify that the drive rips correctly. usually, the slightest sign of a checksum mismatch or similar makes me run screaming from ever using that option again. but that's just me :)

This post has been edited by TCM: Jul 17 2005, 01:09

[WaldoMonster]

Here are my two drives:

Manufacturer: Asus
Type: CD-ROM
Model: CD-S500/A
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Only lead in
Sample Offset: +1858
Firmware: 1.3D

Manufacturer: Lite-on
Type: CD-RW
Model: LTR-48125W
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Only lead in
Sample Offset: +12
Firmware: VS0D

I use the Asus manly for audio ripping.
Some times I use the Lite-on for protected cd's.

[micmac]

Hi all,

I bought a new drive 2 weeks ago and I'm really ok with it because it's better for DAE than the drives I had before. Here we go:

CODE

Manufacturer - _NEC
Type - DVD_RW
Model - ND-4550A
Accurate Stream - yes
Caching - no
C2 Error Info - yes
Overread - no
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - Version 1.6

Cheers


mic

This post has been edited by micmac: Oct 30 2005, 12:35

[landy]

Type: HL-DT-STDVDRAM (it's LG)
Model: GSA-4120B
Firmware: A111
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-In
Offset: +667

[/quote]

currently use this drive and its quite good but every time i run eacs c2 check it says it probably cant do it (using a few cds) anyone know why two people submited it saying its c2 capable? also anyone know if the LG 4167B is a good buy?

[evereux]

I don't think it's worth posting your results in this thread anymore. The list at the beginning of this thread is no longer kept up to date.

The results from the last spreadsheet have been imported into the database at http://daefeatures.co.uk and that essentially is the master now. It could be wiser to register there and add your drive features that way.

[landy]

that was supposed to be a quote of the first person to list the 4120B i removed some other details not relating to my drive and it seems to have broken the formating slightly (although the find post thing works). i simply want to know why two people claimed that the GSA-4120B is C2 capable when all my test in eac result in "probably not capable" or something like that

[jhartmann]

The LG/HL-DT-ST GSA-4120B as well as its relatives (e.g. GSA-4163B) does indeed report C2 errors. (You will find that if you test a newer EAC with a scratched CD.) And it does not only report those errors, it's one of very few drive families that does so very correctly.

But the LG drives (GSA-4xxxB) do also cache audio data although EAC falsely claims they would not. (They actually cache 37KB audio*.)

And yes, they are able to read hidden tracks (track 1/index 0) although EAC has problems to show them correctly.

(*) The fact that this drive (or any like it) caches 37kB is a NON-ISSUE when it comes to ripping with EAC since the smallest amount of data requested by EAC is 64kB!!!
http://www.digital-inn.de/106824-post3.html
http://www.digital-inn.de/113449-post2.html

This post has been edited by greynol: May 20 2008, 17:15

[z7x8c9]

What about the GSA-4082N?

It's a slim drive (it's on a laptop) and EAC reports;

AccurateRip : Yes
Caches Audio: No
C2 Error Info: Yes

Does anyone know how can I, for sure, determine if the drive caches audio data and reports correct c2 error information?

Thanks

[rutra80]

AFAIK Feurio! has some more advanced caching-detection features than EAC, and there's a nice C2 error test in Nero CD-DVD Speed (menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test).

[Mefodiy]

AFAIK Feurio! has some more advanced caching-detection features than EAC, and there's a nice C2 error test in Nero CD-DVD Speed (menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test).

1. The link in the first post of this thread gives a 404

2. Will the Nero test give an accurate report on the C2 capabilities of my drive?

3. I have just googled, and can't find any -- so, do any of you know where a good guide on how to use Nero CD-DVD Speed is? -- like what does "simulate" and "RAW" mean?

This post has been edited by Mefodiy: Feb 19 2006, 04:14

[Mefodiy]

I'd still appreciate 1,2,&3 being addressed.

[rutra80]

1. The link in the first post of this thread gives a 404

PM westgroveg.

2. Will the Nero test give an accurate report on the C2 capabilities of my drive?

It will tell you how many C2 errors are missed, and will give you some accuracy & quality score.

3. I have just googled, and can't find any -- so, do any of you know where a good guide on how to use Nero CD-DVD Speed is?  -- like what does "simulate" and "RAW" mean?

There's an outdated help file, changelog can be helpful too.
Simulate means that when testing burning speed, nothing will be written onto a disc (it will just simulate writing, with laser turned off).
RAW is a low-level method of burning which allows copying of error correction codes & subchannel data, useful in case of copy-protected discs.

[Mefodiy]

...
There's an outdated help file, changelog can be helpful too.
Simulate means that when testing burning speed, nothing will be written onto a disc (it will just simulate writing, with laser turned off).
RAW is a low-level method of burning which allows copying of error correction codes & subchannel data, useful in case of copy-protected discs.

Where id the "oudated help file" located.

In Nero, when I go to Help>Manual, all I get is

Dear valued customer,
this version does not contain the helpfiles and manuals. You can download the helpfiles and manuals in your language from:

http://www.nero7.com/link.php?topic_id=7078

... and the link doesn't lead to a manual for CD-DVD Speed -- just for the other components.


Also, how would either of "Simulate" or "RAW" have anything to do with CD-DVD Speed? Why are they options, and what would they accomplish in CD-DVD Speed?


If I can't find the manual, does anyone know how I can use CD-DVD Speed to test the reliability of the C2 capabilities of my drive?

[DreamweaverN]

CODE

Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD-ROM
Model - DVD-120
Accurate Stream - YES

Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 1.23

CODE

Manufacturer - ASUS
Type - CD-RW
Model - CRW-5224A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +6
Firmware - 1.20

That is the info for both my drives . The offsets were found using AccurateRip and is the value that is displayed in the offset field in EAC. I hope this information helps .

I don't know how I did it but the ASUS CRW-5224A does cache audio. Sorry for the mix up.

[rutra80]

Where id the "oudated help file" located.

You can find it on its download page.

Also, how would either of "Simulate" or "RAW" have anything to do with CD-DVD Speed?  Why are they options, and what would they accomplish in CD-DVD Speed?

Well, if you simulate then after the tests the disc is still blank, if you don't simulate then it will be full of test data (so if it's not rewritable it's kinda wasted).
As for RAW, I see it only in overburning test, so it probably helps to determine if your drive can overburn in RAW & non-RAW modes.

If I can't find the manual, does anyone know how I can use CD-DVD Speed to test the reliability of the C2 capabilities of my drive?

Just insert some slightly damaged CDDA (so you get errors), and start the test from menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test.

This post has been edited by rutra80: Mar 6 2006, 09:16

[pike]

download link is broken

[Be Positive]

Manufacturer: Plextor
Type: DVD-ROM
Model: PX-130a
Accurate Stream: Yes
Caching: Yes
C2 Error Info: Yes
Gap Detection Mode: A, Secure
Overread: don't know
Sample Offset: +738
Firmware: 103

This post has been edited by Be Positive: Oct 14 2006, 19:25

[Joshatdot]

CODE

Manufacturer - OPTORITE
Type - DVD-RW
Model - DD1203
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - NO
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 120E

[JoeGons]

Acer Laptop.2480-2943

TSST Corp. CDW/DVD TS-L462D
Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Korea Corporation
with NTI CD & DVD Maker 7 Gold.
NewTech Infosystems (NTI)
EAC
Burrrn


My Acer 2480-2943

TSSTcorp CDW/DVD TS-L462D AC00 Adapter:0 ID 1

READ OFFSET: +6 *** Does not work
WRITE OFFSET: +30 *** Does not work

Manufacturer: TSSTcorp
Type: CDW/DVD
Model: TS-L462D
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: READ +6, WRITE +30
Firmware ?

This does not work.

What works is: Read=0, Write=0.
With Test CD made on Gateway Desktop, Combined value is +36.
With Test CD made on Acer, Combined value is 0.
By compare, offset 0 works.

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Desktop: Gateway Profile 5


The Desktop has a Hitachi-LG GCC-4241N ???
Nero 6
EAC
Burrrn

My Gateway Profile 5

HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4241N OP34

Manufacturer: HL-DT-ST (Hitachi-LG??)
Type: RW/DVD
Model: GCC-4241N
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: No
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: READ +102, WRITE +30, Combined: +132
Firmware: ?

READ OFFSET: +102
WRITE OFFSET: +30

This works. (+102, +30) Compared.

Results also confirmed by Test CD made on Gateway.
However, Test CD made on Acer gives +96 combined.


Very odd.

This post has been edited by JoeGons: Jan 23 2008, 19:18