Nero 7.2 Released, Nero Releases Huge Update of its Flagship Product Options

[SirGrey]

>>Most of gurus here will be satisfied if the 'surprise' happens to be standalone command line aac encoder
Sure

[DARcode]

A free stand-alone encoder is the most likely scenario IMO, as Ahead's major competition has already gone that way.

And yes: donating to HA is always good no matter what .

[riggits]

I've got even better news: Nero 7 Lite!
Now we can finally enjoy the encoder without 800MB of crap floating around. I went from 800MB to around 40MB just by using this app & a new install of Windows to get all the junk out.
540MB in the temp folder + 220MB of unwanted NeroScout etc + 40MB of actual burning program was my former installation, now it's much faster & cleaner. Lite is the ONLY way to go.

[Garf]

I have to admit, I'm a smidge hesitant when it comes to using the new AAC encoder. Just watching the bitrate barely change concerns me. Granted, I haven't performed any ABXes myself. It just seems bizarre that the bitrate doesn't really jump anymore than +/- 10kbps. Is it really VBR?

Yes.

Bitrate depends on the playback application. The more it averages, the less "flex" you will see.

I used to use the "Extreme" profile with the old encoder. With the new slider I tend to have it at 192kbps. I tried moving the slider up to 200kbps and the filesizes were EXACTLY the same as the ones encoded with the slider at 192kbps.

Please read the thread you are replying to, it should become clear why that happens. (Basically, increasing quality/bitrate slider in the GUI has a minimal effect at high bitrates/quality levels. This behaviour is already changed for the next version.)

This post has been edited by Garf: May 3 2006, 10:44

[zombiewerewolf]

I've got even better news: Nero 7 Lite!
Now we can finally enjoy the encoder without 800MB of crap floating around. I went from 800MB to around 40MB just by using this app & a new install of Windows to get all the junk out.
540MB in the temp folder + 220MB of unwanted NeroScout etc + 40MB of actual burning program was my former installation, now it's much faster & cleaner. Lite is the ONLY way to go.

Wow! This is awesome!

[CobraX]

I've got even better news: Nero 7 Lite!
Now we can finally enjoy the encoder without 800MB of crap floating around. I went from 800MB to around 40MB just by using this app & a new install of Windows to get all the junk out.
540MB in the temp folder + 220MB of unwanted NeroScout etc + 40MB of actual burning program was my former installation, now it's much faster & cleaner. Lite is the ONLY way to go.

Is that the surprise? I was hoping for a free standalone nero aac encoder.
*disappointed*

[Jan S.]

I've got even better news: Nero 7 Lite!
Now we can finally enjoy the encoder without 800MB of crap floating around. I went from 800MB to around 40MB just by using this app & a new install of Windows to get all the junk out.
540MB in the temp folder + 220MB of unwanted NeroScout etc + 40MB of actual burning program was my former installation, now it's much faster & cleaner. Lite is the ONLY way to go.

Is that the surprise? I was hoping for a free standalone nero aac encoder.
*disappointed*

This is not from Nero and is probably not legal.

[ozmosis82]

I used to use the "Extreme" profile with the old encoder. With the new slider I tend to have it at 192kbps. I tried moving the slider up to 200kbps and the filesizes were EXACTLY the same as the ones encoded with the slider at 192kbps.

Please read the thread you are replying to, it should become clear why that happens. (Basically, increasing quality/bitrate slider in the GUI has a minimal effect at high bitrates/quality levels. This behaviour is already changed for the next version.)

Oh, I read that part of the thread. I was just under the impression that it only started happening past the 280/320kbps range. 189kbps for a setting around 200kbps seems moderately reasonable to me. However 261kbps for 360kbps and 266kbps for 400kbps seem to be a bit ridiculous. Good to know it's been fixed in the new version though (remember reading that as well, two replies down... I do pay attention).

Well, it's Wednesday, so today's "the latest" by which the surprise should be revealed to us. Dare I say that I'll be checking back frequently over the next 24 hours?

This post has been edited by ozmosis82: May 3 2006, 14:26

[kwanbis]

This is not from Nero and is probably not legal.

Not from Nero.
Not legal.

But it shows:

1) what people thinks about bloat (can you say nlite, 98lite, etc?)
2) people would take the issue in they own hands if nero doesn't do anything about it.

[kornchild2002]

Well, it has been 8 days since the update, any news on that "surprise" coming?

Just a note, I have also downloaded the latest version of Nero that they released only a few days (or maybe day) after the 25th of April. I am still having the same video problems when using the iPod AVC profile in Nero Recode 2 to encode some unencrypted DVD's.

I still can't select the option to save CD's to Nero Digital Files as well, I must go through the other option to rip CD's then select Nero's AAC encoder as an option. Kinda frustrating.

[kwanbis]

Just a note, I have also downloaded the latest version of Nero that they released only a few days (or maybe day) after the 25th of April. I am still having the same video problems when using the iPod AVC profile in Nero Recode 2 to encode some unencrypted DVD's.

maybe that is why we haven't seen the surprise yet.

[sven_Bent]

2pass and stand alone Command encoer would be nice.

then i could move from .ogm to .mp4 for my movies

[riggits]

This is not from Nero and is probably not legal.

Not from Nero.
Not legal.

But it shows:

1) what people thinks about bloat (can you say nlite, 98lite, etc?)
2) people would take the issue in they own hands if nero doesn't do anything about it.

It's legal in my country & it's the free demo version of Nero 7. The only difference between Lite & official is that this installer is a lot more honest than the official one. If you don't want a pseudo-database sneakily installed behind your back then you won't be forced to suffer it.

Sadly the AAC encoder isn't working with MeGUI. Anybody have a workaround?

[Garf]

This is not from Nero and is probably not legal.

Not from Nero.
Not legal.

But it shows:

1) what people thinks about bloat (can you say nlite, 98lite, etc?)
2) people would take the issue in they own hands if nero doesn't do anything about it.

It's legal in my country

I wonder what country you live in that doesn't have copyrights.

[CobraX]

Developers and deadlines

Will the "surprise" be ready before midnight as stated by Ivan Dimkovic?

Hi,
There are no changes in 7.2.0.3b with regards to AAC encoder. As far as MP3 is in question I will check this next week (Tuesday) and come back to you.

Release date for the 'surprise' is most likely Tuesday or Wednesday latest.

Will developers keep their promises and hang on to their deadline schedule?

You can see it next week on another episode of HydrogenAudio TV. ;)

[Garf]

Don't blame the developers, we finished our part last week already

[.halverhahn]

Developers and deadlines

Will the "surprise" be ready before midnight as stated by Ivan Dimkovic?
Will developers keep their promises and hang on to their deadline schedule?

Calm down, take a deep breath and relax. You'll get your new toy.

[halb27]

In case we can't get the surprise today can we learn more details about what it is as we've been heard so interesting things and had expected to have it available right now?

[freak393]

kinda feels like chrsitmas now doesn't it?

Just hope it's coming out before the weekend...

I hate waiting for christmas (well not realy)

[Ivan Dimkovic]

Will developers keep their promises and hang on to their deadline schedule?

To release a product there is much more that needs to be done than just development - sometimes, it is hard to predict exact ETAs of these tasks especially in a dynamic software industry enviroment.

That said, I am really hoping the solution will be out soon - it is basically finished and there are just a few remaining tasks that are not of development nature - and I really expect them to be completed asap.

In case we can't get the surprise today can we learn more details about what it is as we've been heard so interesting things and had expected to have it available right now?

I can only say it has lots of things in common to one idea people speculated here

[IgorC]

Don't blame the developers, we finished our part last week already

I don't want to be annoyed but encoder included in the last 7.2 package has only cbr mode and it hasn't 48 kbits/s bitrate only 50 kbits/s.

The conditions for including of Nero beta 4.9.9.5/6 to 48 AAC+ test were that during 3 months AAC new encoder 48 kbit/s VBR. will be included.

But a few days doesn't make a big difference.
It's already planned that there will be updated encoder shortly. If it will be today ( 3d or 4th of may) you will be very precise. Exactly 90 days (3 months)

[Garf]

?!?! The encoder is Nero 7.2 should be VBR. That's exactly why people have problems to get it above 260kbps...

[IgorC]

?!?! The encoder is Nero 7.2 should be VBR. That's exactly why people have problems to get it above 260kbps...

Hm, Sorry I'm wrong. I just see that bitrate hasn't a big varience during playback by foobar 0.9.1. It's certainly VBR.

But there is still no 48 kbit/s.

This post has been edited by IgorC: May 3 2006, 22:00

[vlada]

Just a note, I have also downloaded the latest version of Nero that they released only a few days (or maybe day) after the 25th of April. I am still having the same video problems when using the iPod AVC profile in Nero Recode 2 to encode some unencrypted DVD's.

maybe that is why we haven't seen the surprise yet.

You can switch to MP4 using MeGUI and x264 codec. You can also convert losslesly you OGM to MP4 or MKV. I see no use in OGM today, the format is not developed anymore for a long time and there is no support for it.

What I would really like to see, is Nero asking me what filters I want to have installed. Why puts Nero in my system over 50 DirectShow filters which I don't want a which are often causing problems? For example MP4 parser/splitter doesen't output TTXT subtitles (which are part of MPEG-4 standard). MPEG-4 ASP decoder has problems with a lot of AVIs and so on. That's why I want to use my own filters.

[extesy]

So no "surprise" this week?