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2007 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What's your *main lossy* format of choice?
MP3 [ 501 ] ** [54.22%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 211 ] ** [22.84%]
AAC [ 118 ] ** [12.77%]
MPC [ 41 ] ** [4.44%]
WMA Standard [ 5 ] ** [0.54%]
WMA Pro [ 3 ] ** [0.32%]
Atrac (any version) [ 4 ] ** [0.43%]
Other / I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 41 ] ** [4.44%]
What's your *main lossless* format of choice?
FLAC [ 549 ] ** [59.42%]
WavPack [ 203 ] ** [21.97%]
Monkey's Audio [ 43 ] ** [4.65%]
Apple Lossless [ 25 ] ** [2.71%]
OptimFrog [ 2 ] ** [0.22%]
WMA Lossless [ 13 ] ** [1.41%]
TAK [ 7 ] ** [0.76%]
Other / I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 82 ] ** [8.87%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main or archive library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 691 ] ** [74.78%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 138 ] ** [14.94%]
it depends: I mix both [ 95 ] ** [10.28%]
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post Jan 3 2007, 11:42
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Now I feel torn as to whether I should revert back to that method or stay the course with image+cuesheet.


If you tend to listen to albums in whole as I do, then there is no reason to change from image+embedded cuesheet. Plus for archiving purposes, it is the easiest way to keep track. Also, as someone stated earlier, there is less overhead with disc space.

If you use foobar2000, it is very easy to create playlists using tracks from various image files if you want to mix it up from time to time.

For me, images are the simplest way for managing my music.


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post Jan 3 2007, 17:10
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It's Ogg Vorbis at q5 (playback) and q-1 (streaming) for me. I like to have one codec for all my needs, and Vorbis does the trick quite well.

Well, all but one need: Archiving goes to FLAC. I experimented with WavPack during the christmas holidays, but in order to get a noticable advantage over FLAC -8, I had to crank up the compression to a point where encoding speed dropped to 3.5x. Not worth the transcode.

edit: Just saw the TAK alpha thread. Wow, I gotta try that once it comes out.

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post Jan 3 2007, 21:51
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Bitrate 0-128 kbps: Nero AAC (for my iPod shuffle smile.gif )
VBR 128-320 kpbs: MP3 Lame (3.90.3 APS because of compatibility reasons)
Bitrate 384 kbps: WavPack (to make backups for my cds smile.gif )
Lossless (0-1411 kbps): FLAC/WavPack (I don't use it but would if I could...)

I must say that I'm very impressed of WavPack, I'm using the hybrid/lossy method for archiving because of HDD reasons, but I don't mind some so-said quality reductions. Home-Listening Quality is good enough for me, I don't have a cinema but a digital THX surround system where MP3 also sounds amazing, so WavPack lossy is good enough for backup my favorite cds.

FLAC / WavPack would be used for lossless, i would make a blind selection.

Rip Prog? - foobar.............. was using AudioCrusher (still using with lame 3.91 for fast ripping), Audiograbber (crappy!!!!!!!), CDex, EAC (the most time, but foobar is more comfortable to use for me... just an all-in-one tool for playback ripping testing streaming and everything else I need)

If WavPack could be played on iPods, I'd use it for everything. WavPack would be perfect if a psymodel in 0-300 bitrates would be used and tuned like MPC/MP3/OGG, over 300kbps it's already perfect for me laugh.gif

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QUOTE (memomai @ Jan 3 2007, 17:51) *
If WavPack could be played on iPods, I'd use it for everything.


It can (if you use RockBox)


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QUOTE(memomai @ Jan 3 2007, 17:51)
If WavPack could be played on iPods, I'd use it for everything.


It can (if you use RockBox)


REALLY?? I use a shuffle (2nd gen), I found on Rockbox.org only versions for nano and so on...

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QUOTE (56Nomad @ Jan 2 2007, 16:12) *
I have two portable players that I just about never use. My question would be this:
When/where do you use your portable?

...

My other one is an older RCA Lyra with a 20 GB drive. I use it more for file transfer than I ever use it to play music or look at pictures or videos. I often wonder when/where all these bazillion iPods get used...


On the bus, walking to/from work (I don't own a car anymore - live close to downtown), at the gym, on business trips. Off the top of my head.

QUOTE (memomai @ Jan 3 2007, 14:35) *
REALLY?? I use a shuffle (2nd gen), I found on Rockbox.org only versions for nano and so on...


You'd use wavpack on a shuffle?? You like listening to a handful of songs over and over? I'd say space is at a premium on a shuffle (and hybrid mode needs like 2x the bitrate that ACC does).

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Some interesting figures from http://www.synthetic-soul.co.uk/comparison/lossless/

Compression/Encoding:
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Encoder Setting        Compression  Encode Rate
FLAC -8                  65.621%         9x
WavPack -hh              64.487%        29x
TAK Normal               63.875%        40x
Monkey's Audio Normal    63.793%        39x
OptimFROG                63.386%        15x

Compression/Decoding:
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Encoder Setting        Compression  Decode Rate
FLAC -8                  65.621%        78x
Monkey's Audio Fast      64.914%        46x
WavPack -hh              64.487%        47x
TAK Normal               63.875%        83x

Speed:
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Encoder Setting        Compression  Encode Rate  Decode Rate
TAK Turbo                64.929%        77x          85x
FLAC -0                  70.744%        73x          79x
WavPack -f               66.741%        56x          73x
Monkey's Audio Fast      64.914%        50x          46x


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post Jan 4 2007, 01:16
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ALAC for archive.
AAC 128 VBR for the computer library and iPod(s)
MP3 LAME 3.97 -V0 for car MP3 CDs

Once the iPod Nano hits 15 GB (don't laugh it will), probably will just use MP3 -V0
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Well, I'd say ...
MP3 forever, baby wink.gif

I'm using LAME 3.97 V0 --vbr-new.

I don't use lossless, but if I had to, I'd use FLAC.
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WavPack images with embedded cuesheet and eac log for archiving.
LAME -V5 --vbr-new MP3 track files for PC playback.

Both sets generated with EAC + REACT2 with just a single click of F10(which ReplayGain scans and tags the MP3's too smile.gif). I use images for archiving since my converter of choise/audio writing app of choise is fb2k/Burrrn and they support images with embedded cuesheets perfectly and also since i don't have to worry about hidden tracks and finally since because of the psychological thing about a one file representive of one CD-DA disc. I use LAME MP3 -V5 --vbr-new since they are transparent to my ears and so there are no reason for wasting space on using -V2 --vbr-new(which i have changed from alittle time ago).

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FLAC for archival. I choose it for it's ubiquituos support.

LAME MP3 for lossy. I can ABX 20/20 on a few samples at V4 so I use V3. Once again, I choose MP3 because it's well supported.

PS: I found a sample where V4 is much worse than V5 in LAME 3.97, should I submit it or something? I'm pretty new to all this testing and stuff so I dont know the precedure.

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QUOTE (Jebus @ Jan 3 2007, 20:57) *
QUOTE (memomai @ Jan 3 2007, 14:35) *

REALLY?? I use a shuffle (2nd gen), I found on Rockbox.org only versions for nano and so on...

You'd use wavpack on a shuffle?? You like listening to a handful of songs over and over? I'd say space is at a premium on a shuffle (and hybrid mode needs like 2x the bitrate that ACC does).


Right. When he said he wanted WavPack on iPod, I expected it would be at least a 4Gb nano.

And no, indeed, there isn't RockBox for shuffle.


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I use:

MP3 for compatibility (almnost every device I have reads it).
Apple Lossless for back-up and/or use in the iPod.
Atrac for real gapless playback in a Sony flash player (for some reason my iPod nano doesn't play gapless properly).

I am currently using "track back up" but I am seriously considering a "file+cuesheet" type for some CDs.
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jan 3 2007, 18:32) *
When he said he wanted WavPack on iPod, I expected it would be at least a 4Gb nano.


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LAME at -V 2 for me. It's all converted from FLAC using dbPowerAmp but I'm stuck on 3.96.1 as I can't get the 3.97 binaries to work in dbPowerAmp even following the instructions for replacing the DLL as I just get output errors. Oh well.
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Right. When he said he wanted WavPack on iPod, I expected it would be at least a 4Gb nano.

And no, indeed, there isn't RockBox for shuffle.


getting about 3-4 of my favorite cds on an mp3 player would have been enough for me... my shuffle takes 1 gb, so that would have been enough.

It's a pity that there's no shuffle support, but I would maybe have been the first and only one who stores WavPack on a shuffle laugh.gif

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LAME at -V 2 for me. It's all converted from FLAC using dbPowerAmp but I'm stuck on 3.96.1 as I can't get the 3.97 binaries to work in dbPowerAmp even following the instructions for replacing the DLL as I just get output errors. Oh well.


why not using foobar for transcoding?

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LAME at -V 2 for me. It's all converted from FLAC using dbPowerAmp but I'm stuck on 3.96.1 as I can't get the 3.97 binaries to work in dbPowerAmp even following the instructions for replacing the DLL as I just get output errors. Oh well.


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EAC secure
Lame 3.97 --V2 --vbr-new

or Cue+wav compressed with Monkey's Audio for backups
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QUOTE (probedb @ Jan 4 2007, 03:41) *
LAME at -V 2 for me. It's all converted from FLAC using dbPowerAmp but I'm stuck on 3.96.1 as I can't get the 3.97 binaries to work in dbPowerAmp even following the instructions for replacing the DLL as I just get output errors. Oh well.


I use dbPowerAmp with the LAME 3.97 EXE rather than the DLL. I use the "Create Generic CLI" tool and this command line (for CD audiobooks):

[InFile] [OutFile] -V 7 --vbr-new

It works great. I'll keep doing it this way until R12 comes out of beta.
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MPC has 4% :0


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well... there is the sv8 work...


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If I was going to use a lossy format for personal archiving, it would be MPC.


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Go Vorbis! Potentially the best quality you can get at 80 kbps. ;)
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