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[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Quote from: saratoga on
Hello and welcome to the internet where people are not always going to agree with you.

Welcome to life, I'd say. Anyway, we're all aware of the (shameful) tendency in many folks to get angry or distressed when not given the answer they want or expect. I've seen it countless times here, and I was guilty of it some times. In time, you hopefully learn to control it, or fail trying.

(Sorry for the off-topic rant. I just have nothing useful to add to greynol's last reply.)

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

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Quote from: saratoga on
Quote from: Wayne Highwood on
Quote from: greynol on
The point is that ABX is useful for more than the development of lossy codecs.


I get that. 


Then your reply above doesn't really make sense, or perhaps you have misunderstood what you've quoted above.

Oh, good grief.  You do realize you're parsing a snarky response to a rather disingenuous question from Arny, don't you?



 



[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Wayne Highwood on
Oh, good grief.  You do realize you're parsing a snarky response to a rather disingenuous question from Arny, don't you?


If I'm not mistaken Arny is a sound engineer, not a codec developer. Either way is that supposed to have any bearing on the discussion at hand?

And this is evidence that...
Quote from: Wayne Highwood on
I get that. 

The rather confrontational, terse one-line interrogatives and comments gives the distinct impression you guys are preparing to tee off on me, which is great if that sort of behavior meets your psychosocial needs, but it would be like a college professor demeaning a freshman.  I just visited to learn, not be treated with scorn.  Have a nice day, fellas.

...Youre simply going off the assumption that you're the professor here. I fact we dont know whos the more knowledgeable person about the subject.

Nice try though.

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #3 –
Quote from: Wayne Highwood on
disingenuous question

Disingenuous?  His question is at the very heart of the matter.  The one that you and the OP seem to be dancing around.

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #4 –
Quote from: greynol on
Quote from: Wayne Highwood on
disingenuous question

Disingenuous?  His question is at the very heart of the matter.  The one that you and the OP seem to be dancing around.


Arny quoted my first post.  He seems to have missed or willfully ignored the entire discussion that followed. 

You guys addressed my very specific questions thoroughly and effectively, particularly Saratoga and 2BDecided.  I was happy, thanked you for your input, and that was it as far as I was concerned.

Arny comes along a week or so later and asks a question that indicates he did not read, or willfully ignored, the entire discussion that followed. 

If he had read any of the follow up comments he would not sincerely ask his question, as he would have known it had been asked and answered, at least to my satisfaction, as expressed way back on Aug 6.  I cannot speak for the OP, but I understand why he would choose not to engage here.

You guys are fighting phantoms.  It's Friday night.  Go have some fun.   
 


 

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #5 –
Quote from: Wayne Highwood on
The rather confrontational, terse one-line interrogatives and comments gives the distinct impression you guys are preparing to tee off on me, which is great if that sort of behavior meets your psychosocial needs, but it would be like a college professor demeaning a freshman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_...ing_.28T.2FF.29
The members of this forum tend to fall in the "T" category.  I am under the impression that you belong in the "F" category.

This dichotomy, when taken to the extreme, reminds me of the following post and the irrational gems that would ensue ("Persons who are screaming are always wrong"):
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=630822

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #6 –
Quote from: greynol on
This dichotomy, when taken to the extreme, reminds me of the following post and the irrational gems that would ensue ("Persons who are screaming are always wrong"):
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=630822

That was too much for my brain to handle. Wow.

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #7 –
Love the links, Greynol. 

I think Caraville's post has it backwards, as it's the died in the wool subjectivists who often get angry and irrational from the posts of theirs I've read.  All rational thought typically leaves the building when they get wound up.

Regarding Myers-Briggs, I guess when it comes to kicking back after work, decompressing with some music, I'm an 'F' person.  But when it comes to purchasing decisions, I see a music reproduction system as a reductive exercise, so in those cases I would be a 'T' person.  So by this method, I'm completely schizophrenic, or perhaps bipolar!  Spending hard earned ducats has a way of switching me from one to the other, focusing on what really matters.

Audio is one of my simple pleasures, not worth arguing about, certainly not with you guys, who I'm probably in more agreement with than you give me credit for, even if I still have a lot to learn.   

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Reply #8 –
It's all good.

I can't speak for everyone, but after reading the same arguments over and over (yes, "sequential testing = bad" is as moldy as the rest of them), I really don't feel like spending the time and energy to be any less terse.

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #9 –
Quote from: greynol on
This dichotomy, when taken to the extreme, reminds me of the following post and the irrational gems that would ensue ("Persons who are screaming are always wrong"):
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=630822



I believe I stumbled upon Cavaille's website (which I don't have a link to any more) some time after that....it was kind of sad yet also fascinating, the rainbows being chased there, with quasi-scientific diligence. 

I think Cavaille left HA because it was telling him things he just did not want to hear.

[GOING SIDEWAYS] From: Biophysics, Limitations of Shannon and Issues w

Reply #12 –
And nothing of value was lost.

Could we perhaps stop this now? Yes, the former member was full of hot air and clearly could not face being told that. Never mind the fact their reason for leaving was due to a blatant misreading of the intentions of other users regarding high-res audio—I suspect motivated only by emotion and a wish to continue thinking themselves a special snowflake, not any semblance of intellectual honesty. But what do we gain by making a show out of these, I hope, obvious facts? I suspect only further perceived evidence for the persecution complexes of such individuals and, in case any of them congregate elsewhere to create echo-chambers about how nasty everyone is here, for those too.

Between us, haven’t we said everything useful that can be said about this subject, and much more besides?

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Reply #13 –
Quote from: krabapple on
I think Cavaille left HA because it was telling him things he just did not want to hear.


Incorrect. I left because of the generally condescending tone around here.

Quote from: db1989 on
And nothing of value was lost.

Could we perhaps stop this now? Yes, the former member was full of hot air and clearly could not face being told that. Never mind the fact their reason for leaving was due to a blatant misreading of the intentions of other users regarding high-res audio—I suspect motivated only by emotion and a wish to continue thinking themselves a special snowflake, not any semblance of intellectual honesty. But what do we gain by making a show out of these, I hope, obvious facts? I suspect only further perceived evidence for the persecution complexes of such individuals and, in case any of them congregate elsewhere to create echo-chambers about how nasty everyone is here, for those too.


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