Why does there seem to be a lack of interest in Musepack? Options

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I think those who have a mpc music library and no current compatibility issue with players used don't have a real need actually to switch to another format.

They do - they need to re-rip to lossless while they still can. If they wait until the next new DAP/car/phone/whatever they want to buy doesn't have MPC support, they might find they don't have the time / hardware / CDs left to re-rip then!

Assuming the people who ripped entire collections to MPC originally are the kind who care about audio quality and technology - these are the very people that are going to find being stuck with MPC a serious inconvenience first.

People who don't care about technology might keep listening on the same old devices. People who don't care about audio quality could just transcode MPC to mp3. But I don't think such people used MPC in the first place. I could be wrong.

Cheers,
David.

[Antonski]

The public interest has shifted down to the fight for <=128 - where I have not noticed serious competition from MPC.

Mainly because nowadays the music is listened in noisy environment and as a background (DAPs, USB car players, streaming to mobile phones etc.), I believe.

From personal tests i find Musepack to be a poor performer at low bitrates such as 96kbps - 128kbps, i even find --standard to be easy to ABX. At high bitrates such as 210 (Xtreme) it's very competitive.

Musepack has never been optimized for low/midrange bitrates, IIRC.

What is there to talk about anyway? Listening tests? With little to no development, what's the use?

Other problem i see is that for a long time, it was almost abandoned, and no new dev was being done.
This is how i see it.

Little to no development? How would you comment this:

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- Corrected end of loop condition when encoded file doesn't report correct …

05/11/07:

14:08 Changeset [322] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/in_mpc.cpp
* …

Added winamp extended info (replay gain and title formating)
11:46 Changeset [321] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/mpccut/mpccut.c

bug correction for mpccut (bad decoded sample number)

05/10/07:

16:34 Changeset [320] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt
* …

updated Windows/CMake build
16:02 Changeset [319] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/win32/attgetopt.c
* …

added getopt function for win32
15:58 Changeset [318] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/mpccut/mpccut.c
* …

Use getopt.h
13:01 Changeset [317] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/Makefile.am
* …

Added mpccut prog, sv8 files can now be cutted
00:25 Changeset [316] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/mpcdec/mpcdec.c

Added old gain view
00:01 Changeset [315] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/mpcdec/mpcdec.c

Added -i flag to print file information

05/09/07:

23:11 Changeset [314] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c
* …

Added support for beg_silence (no yet tested as can't make files that use …
23:07 Changeset [313] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.cpp

Added sample number in file info
18:24 Changeset [312] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/libmpcenc/bitstream.c

Bug correction, please re-test encoding through pipe
14:52 Changeset [311] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/include/mpc/streaminfo.h
* …

Removed end_silence to comply with spec

05/07/07:

23:51 SV8Specification edited by r2d
End silence is redundant with sample count (diff)

05/04/07:

14:10 Changeset [310] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/mpc_bits_reader.h
* …

- corrected a M/S bug in sv8 decoding - changed Max_used_band usage in sv7 …

05/03/07:

14:42 Changeset [309] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/mpc2sv8/mpc2sv8.c

added error reporting to mpc2sv8
14:21 Changeset [308] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/mpcenc/config.h

updated mpcenc version
12:39 Changeset [307] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcenc/bitstream.c
* …

writeBits can't output more than 31 bits !
00:05 Changeset [306] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

removed a check that may fail on a valid file

05/02/07:

23:20 Changeset [305] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

forgot to remove debug code
22:55 Changeset [304] by zorg

*
libmpc/trunk/libmpcpsy/fft_routines.c

Simplify code by using array notation. It should also make the task easier …
22:47 Changeset [303] by zorg

*
libmpc/trunk/libmpcpsy/psy.c

Factorize some operations out of the inner loop
22:31 Changeset [302] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c
* …

- added some checks in sv8 demuxing - corrected a bug in mpc2sv8

04/27/07:

22:37 Changeset [301] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c
* …

corrected a bug when seeking after the last frame as been decoded
22:35 Changeset [300] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/include/mpc/mpc_types.h

correction : needed even in floating point
12:50 Changeset [299] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/include/mpc/mpc_types.h
* …

- moved some MPC_FIXED_POINT defines from mpcdec_math.h to mpc_types.h - …

04/26/07:

22:36 Changeset [298] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/streaminfo.c

changed encoder description for sv7 encoder in sv8 stream
21:11 Changeset [297] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/mpc2sv8/mpc2sv8.c

corrected gain information conversion bug

04/24/07:

15:07 Changeset [296] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libmpcdec/huffman.c
* …

Improved sv8 huffman decoding using canonical property of the huffman …

04/23/07:

21:30 Changeset [295] by r2d

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libmpc/trunk/libwavformat/input.c
* …

removed aliasing warnings
18:35 Changeset [294] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt
* …

finished branch move
18:23 Changeset [293] by r2d

*
libmpc/trunk/r2d

moving branche to trunk
16:59 Changeset [292] by r2d

*
xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.cpp

updated according to libmpcdec
16:58 Changeset [291] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpcdec.h
* …

changed function name to match other functions naming convention
16:47 Changeset [290] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/huffman.c
* …

improved decoder speed using LUT for huffman decoding. profiling/bench …
00:44 Changeset [289] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/configure.ac

Replace memcmp configure check with a supposedly better one

04/22/07:

15:43 Changeset [288] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/huffman.c
* …

made huffman tables smaller

04/21/07:

20:59 Ticket #14 (Improper decoding of specific SV7 files) closed by r2d
fixed
15:31 Changeset [287] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/win32/libcommon.vcproj
* …

Misc msvc project fixes
15:29 Changeset [286] by zorg

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpcdec.h

Fix headers once again

04/20/07:

23:17 Changeset [285] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

pow works with msvc, not powf
22:53 Changeset [284] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c
* …

corrected seeking to beginning of the file bug (sv7 only)
21:59 Changeset [283] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp

I know, I know …
21:38 Changeset [282] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

added wavcmp utility
21:36 Changeset [281] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

corrected file length error

04/19/07:

23:39 Ticket #2 (Mpcdec) closed by zorg
wontfix: Leave full-featured decoder to external apps and only provide sample …
23:27 Ticket #14 (Improper decoding of specific SV7 files) created by DEATH
Libmpcdec decodes this file properly while lower frequencies (?) are …
23:23 Changeset [280] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpcdec.h

Fix broken headers
19:56 Changeset [279] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcdec/mpcdec.c

can now use mpcdec to check if a file is corrupted
19:55 Changeset [278] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

was always returning error after last frame

04/17/07:

22:12 Changeset [277] by zorg

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libmpcdec/tags/release-1.2.6
* …

1.2.6 tag
22:05 Changeset [276] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/ChangeLog
* …

Prepare 1.2.6 release
21:48 Changeset [275] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/src/mpc_decoder.c

Revert r160 as it breaks some files due to some encoder bug
21:28 Changeset [274] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/src/Makefile.am
* …

Make sample app use static libraries Fix infinite loop bug on large files
14:10 Changeset [273] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

- added return codes for mpc_demux_decode - refill buffer only if bit …
14:06 Changeset [272] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/config.h
* …

- added unicode (UTF-8) autodetection for unix - changed --longhelp about …

04/16/07:

21:55 Changeset [271] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

oups
21:53 Changeset [270] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

initialized all the decoding buffer to 0
20:12 Changeset [269] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

Improved decoding robustness
19:37 Changeset [268] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

Improved decoding robustness
00:04 Changeset [267] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

be sure allocated size is at least used size !

04/15/07:

23:40 Changeset [266] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/internal.h
* …

Improved decoder robustness against corrupted files
23:39 Changeset [265] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/streaminfo.c

sign issue in replay gain reading in sv7
23:37 Changeset [264] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/reader.h
* …

added a way to open a reader with an already open file (patch by DEATH)

04/12/07:

22:57 Changeset [263] by zorg

*
libreplaygain/autogen.sh

Useless file, use Makefile.cvs instead
22:53 Changeset [262] by zorg

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c
* …

Fix cmake for mpcgain Remove builtin math functions
22:42 Changeset [261] by zorg

*
libreplaygain/autogen.sh
* …

Add autogen.sh to make autotools useable Full cmake update
21:44 Changeset [260] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/include/Makefile.am

added missing Makefile.am

04/07/07:

10:43 Ticket #4 (Port winamp plugin to libmpcdec) closed by r2d
fixed
10:42 Ticket #8 (make a lib from the replay gain app) closed by r2d
fixed

03/30/07:

19:03 Changeset [259] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c

init scalefactors to 0 because of an encoder bug
13:53 Changeset [258] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp
* …

- corrected a bug crashing winamp when trying to see informations on a …

03/29/07:

23:48 Changeset [257] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack.rc

Comment control supports multi line
18:29 Changeset [256] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcdec/mpcdec.c

divide by 0 bug removed
17:20 Changeset [255] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_logo.bmp
* …

added logo
15:42 Changeset [254] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp
* …

- tag writing OK - better tag reading - maybe less pb with x64
13:16 Changeset [253] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp

- tags in accentuated files can now be read - tags are converted from …

03/28/07:

21:19 Changeset [252] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcgain/mpcgain.c

mpcgain doesn't crash anymore on read only files
20:56 Changeset [251] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp

More details on files (gain info)
19:19 Changeset [250] by r2d

*
winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp
* …

- can now read file tags and display - doesn't work with accentuated file …
17:04 Changeset [249] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/mpc_player.cpp
* …

added native windows GUI (work in progress)
16:59 Changeset [248] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/in2.h
* …

moved project files
16:56 Changeset [247] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/mpc_info.cpp
* …

removed .net files
12:39 Changeset [246] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpc2sv8/mpc2sv8.c

Corrected a mpc2sv8 bug

03/27/07:

12:34 Changeset [245] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c

Corrected a sv7 length decoding bug
11:47 Changeset [244] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/config.h

update version because of bug correction
11:23 Changeset [243] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c
* …

corrected pns encoding/decoding bug (doesn't change bitstream for quality …

03/26/07:

13:27 Changeset [242] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c

added include for windows
13:25 Changeset [241] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.c
* …

added windows includes
13:23 Changeset [240] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

CMakeLists.txt update to build replaygain using libreplaygain
13:21 Changeset [239] by r2d

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libreplaygain/CMakeLists.txt
* …

CMakeLists.txt update

03/25/07:

22:23 Changeset [238] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Changed CMakeLists.txt files for Windows buid (doesn't work for mpcgain …
22:13 Changeset [237] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_bits_reader.h

corrected the high bitrate bug (decoder only bug)
22:06 Changeset [236] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

- reverted last change (CMakeLists.txt are back)
17:57 Changeset [235] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Remove unmaintained cmake build files

03/22/07:

20:58 Changeset [234] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpc2sv8/mpc2sv8.c

- mpc2sv8 doesn't overwrite output file anymore
20:24 Changeset [233] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpc.kdevelop
* …

- added build date to mpcenc - mpc2sv8 check for stream version

03/17/07:

01:25 Changeset [232] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

patch from xmixahlx : - moved replaygain outside - removed build system …
01:11 Changeset [231] by r2d

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libreplaygain/Makefile.am
* …

added files from xmixahlx
01:01 Changeset [230] by r2d

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libreplaygain/include/replaygain
* …

moved files in the right dirs
00:53 Changeset [229] by r2d

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libreplaygain/include

moving replaygain in it's own module
00:52 Changeset [228] by r2d

*
libreplaygain

moving replaygain in it's own module

03/16/07:

16:56 Changeset [227] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.cpp

- if pns status is unknown, pns = 0xFF
16:54 Changeset [226] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c
* …

- added sv8 options to mpcenc - some change in mpcdec to correctly display …

03/13/07:

00:34 Changeset [225] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

applied the patch from xmixahlx : - libreplaygain is now a shared library …

03/12/07:

20:18 SV8Specification edited by r2d
(diff)
20:14 Changeset [224] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.c

- corrected date
19:56 Changeset [223] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.c

- corrected encoder version info

03/10/07:

15:06 Changeset [222] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.c
* …

- applyed same changes as changeset [99] (what was EnableTags used for ?)

02/17/07:

21:18 Changeset [221] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/bitstream.c
* …

- speed optimizations
18:49 Changeset [220] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/streaminfo.h
* …

- updated according to the spec - now reads / write beginning / end …
16:14 Changeset [219] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/Makefile.am
* …

- speed improvements (mainly inlining)
15:58 Changeset [218] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.cpp
* …

- update for replay gain
14:22 SV8Specification edited by zorg
Align stuff (diff)

02/15/07:

12:32 SV8Specification edited by r2d
(diff)
01:41 SV8Specification edited by zorg
Mostly Cosmetics, extract RG from SH (diff)

02/13/07:

22:50 Changeset [217] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcdec/CMakeLists.txt

remove winmm stuff..
22:49 Changeset [216] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcdec/CMakeLists.txt

mpcdec now needs libm
13:31 Changeset [215] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/Makefile.am

- updated API version
12:25 Changeset [214] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/streaminfo.c

- there is not yet sv > 8
12:13 Changeset [213] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.c

- mpcenc should now support encoding from pipe with unknow file length …
11:40 Changeset [212] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpcdec.h
* …

- changed replay gain implementation (using sv8 representation)

02/11/07:

21:17 Changeset [211] by zorg

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libmpcdec/tags/release-1.2.5

1.2.5 tag
21:11 Changeset [210] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/configure.ac

Bump version to 1.2.5
20:58 Changeset [209] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/ChangeLog

Add 1.2.5 changelog
20:43 Changeset [208] by zorg

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/autogen.sh
* …

Missing executable state on some scripts
20:39 Changeset [207] by zorg

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Include mpc2sv8 to cmake build system

02/09/07:

18:57 Changeset [206] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/internal.h
* …

- corrected a bug where very short frames ( < 1 byte, generally silence) …
12:31 Changeset [205] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpcdec.h
* …

- corrected a small bug - added copy of header and footer data (tags) of …

02/08/07:

21:36 Changeset [204] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpc_types.h
* …

- file length should be OK for all files - seems there is a bug at end of …
14:29 Changeset [203] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

- added sv7 to sv8 conversion utility (still work to do, but able to …

01/20/07:

21:43 Changeset [202] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.cpp
* …

- added more precision to encoding quality information
21:43 Changeset [201] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/streaminfo.h
* …

- added more precision to encoding quality information
20:23 Changeset [200] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.c

- removed xlevel stuff
12:13 SV8Specification edited by r2d
(diff)

01/09/07:

22:56 Changeset [199] by zorg

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libmpcdec/trunk/src/Makefile.am

- Backwards binary compatibility was broken since 1.2.3
22:22 Changeset [198] by zorg

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libmpcdec/trunk/configure.ac
* …

- Fix missing internal.h in 'make dist' - Simplify types size detection in …
11:48 Changeset [197] by r2d

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libmpcdec/trunk/src/mpc_decoder.c

changed mpc_decoder_decode_frame so it should be compatible with programs …

01/02/07:

20:37 SV7Specification edited by r2d
(diff)

12/30/06:

17:49 Changeset [196] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/internal.h
* …

- moved skip_id3v2 to demuxer and changed so it doesn't need seek (not …

12/29/06:

15:21 Changeset [195] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpc_types.h
* …

- moved libmpcdec includes in /mpc - removed mppdec.h and mpp.h - mpcenc …

12/28/06:

12:11 Changeset [194] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/bitstream.c
* …

win32 compilation corrections

12/27/06:

22:52 Changeset [193] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/mpc_info.cpp
* …

- corrected tag reading bug for utf8 strings - tag writing works but need …
20:53 SV8Specification edited by r2d
(diff)
00:55 SV8Specification edited by r2d
(diff)

12/25/06:

23:45 Changeset [192] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/in_mpc.cpp
* …

added tag writing, but TagLib::FileRef::save() make all crash and I'm too …
03:15 Changeset [191] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/in_mpc.cpp
* …

- Added UI - Display tag & stream info (can't edit)

12/24/06:

18:50 Changeset [190] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/in_mpc.cpp
* …

added licensing terms
17:17 Changeset [189] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/mpc_player.cpp
* …

Added TagLib support (as a static lib). Used to display track title.

12/23/06:

17:07 Changeset [188] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack/in_mpc.cpp
* …

- removed file info bug - improved thread reactivity
13:52 Changeset [187] by r2d

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winamp-musepack/trunk/winamp-musepack.suo

removed uneeded file
13:46 Changeset [186] by r2d

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winamp-musepack
* …

import winamp musepack plugin. supports play, seek, pause, stop and bugs …
13:38 Changeset [185] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/common/huffman.c
* …

dev tools only for gcc

12/21/06:

13:45 Changeset [184] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcgain/mpcgain.c

moved declarations
13:37 Changeset [183] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcgain/mpcgain.c

- added peak calculation - gain results are now written to sv8 files

12/20/06:

23:31 Changeset [182] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libreplaygain/gain_analysis.c
* …

- scaled libmpcdec output so I now have meaningful results - removed gain …
21:53 SV8Specification edited by zorg
(diff)
21:45 Changeset [181] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Make mpcgain build with cmake
21:21 Changeset [180] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

added libreplaygain and mpcgain
20:42 Changeset [179] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_bits_reader.c
* …

- bugfix
14:47 Changeset [178] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcdec/mpcdec.c

- removed unused decoder
14:41 Changeset [177] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c

- corrected decoded length (tested on sv8, not tested on sv7)
13:25 Changeset [176] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/encode_sv7.c

- corrected info length
01:00 Changeset [175] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/win32/mpcdec.sln
* …

Cosmetics
00:57 Changeset [174] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/win32/libcommon.vcproj
* …

Update win32 project files
00:54 Changeset [173] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/mpcenc.h

Remove default cvd_fastlog
00:53 Changeset [172] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_bits_reader.c

Remove C99 construct

12/19/06:

23:02 Changeset [171] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Fix endianess
22:27 Changeset [170] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Fix endianness issues
22:02 Changeset [169] by zorg

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.cvs

symlinks won't work on some systems
22:01 Changeset [168] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/configure.in

put config.h in include directory
21:53 Changeset [167] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/configure.in

put some autotools stuff into separate dir
21:48 Changeset [166] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

mppenc mutated into mpcenc, part 2
21:39 Changeset [165] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc/CMakeLists.txt
* …

mppenc mutated into mpcenc, part 1
21:34 Changeset [164] by zorg

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcenc

mppenc mutated into mpcenc, prologue
12:08 Changeset [163] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/mpcdec/Makefile.am
* …

- removed warning / error in mpcdec compilation
02:08 Changeset [162] by zorg

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libmpc/branches/r2d/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Fix mpcdec compilation for latest libmpcdec Fix and update cmake build …

12/18/06:

20:52 Changeset [161] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/common/huffman.c
* …

- changed entropy coding (all huffman tables are canonical) - scalefactor …

12/12/06:

00:57 Changeset [160] by r2d

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libmpcdec/trunk/src/mpc_decoder.c

- improved cutted stream decoding

12/10/06:

19:48 Changeset [159] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/quant.c

- variable name correction
19:42 Changeset [158] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c

- improved cutted stream decoding - sv7 decoding cleanup

12/09/06:

23:00 Changeset [157] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/common/Makefile.am
* …

- added huffman codes generation utility
22:45 Changeset [156] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpcmath.h
* …

- removed slow builtin_ functions

12/07/06:

20:44 Changeset [155] by zorg

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libmpcdec/tags/release-1.2.4

1.2.4 tag
20:41 Changeset [154] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/ChangeLog
* …

Prepare for 1.2.4 release
20:35 Changeset [153] by zorg

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libmpcdec/trunk/src/streaminfo.c

Fix broken stream initialization on non-mpc files

11/25/06:

16:05 Changeset [152] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

- corrected a memory allocation bug
15:19 Changeset [151] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpcdec/mpcdec.h
* …

- updated libmpcdec win32 project files - removed some libmpcdec warnings …

11/24/06:

19:18 Changeset [150] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpc.kdevelop
* …

- updated libmpcenc / libmpcdec according to the spec - added seek table …
19:09 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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11/23/06:

19:17 Changeset [149] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c
* …

- merged SI and RG blocks - updated seek table according to the spec in …
18:18 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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11/21/06:

11:53 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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11:52 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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00:31 Changeset [148] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_demux.c

- corrected a sv8 seeking bug

11/20/06:

20:22 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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19:53 Changeset [147] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/mpc/mpc_types.h
* …

- added a first version of the seek table for sv8

11/18/06:

22:38 Ticket #13 (utf8 issue in mppenc) created by r2d
Some of my files (encoded under linux) do not display accents correctly. …
22:20 Ticket #12 (tagging issue in xmms-msepack plugin) created by r2d
when changing tags in xmms plugin, sometimes the new tag values are not …
18:46 Changeset [146] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/internal.h
* …

- added seek table
17:04 Changeset [145] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.cpp

- end of stream bug correction

11/17/06:

21:05 Changeset [144] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/configure
* …

- put back seeking
21:04 Changeset [143] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/mpc_decoder.c
* …

- added simple seeking for sv7 and sv8
21:00 Changeset [142] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/bitstream.c
* …

- removed warnings (and bugs)

11/16/06:

13:58 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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12:35 Changeset [141] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg

removed libmpcdec branche
12:34 Changeset [140] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d

removed mppenc branche

11/15/06:

18:32 Changeset [139] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec/internal.h
* …

- added "SE" block check
13:29 Changeset [138] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

- added CRC check in libmpcdec
01:14 Changeset [137] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

- added build system
00:48 Changeset [136] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/include/common/mpc_types.h

- merged types

11/14/06:

18:54 Changeset [135] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/common
* …

moved crc32
18:51 Changeset [134] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/common/config_types.h
* …

moved common headers
18:45 Changeset [133] by r2d

*
libmpc/branches/r2d/mppenc

still moving libs
18:27 Changeset [132] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec
* …

still moving libs
18:26 Changeset [131] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/docs
* …

moving libs
17:36 Changeset [130] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d/libmpcdec

moved libmpcdec

11/13/06:

21:22 Changeset [129] by r2d

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libmpc/branches/r2d

moved mppenc+libs
21:02 Changeset [128] by r2d

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libmpc
* …

libs project
20:15 Changeset [127] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/Makefile.in
* …

- added "live" bitrate - added pns and gapless info
20:13 Changeset [126] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/src/decoder.h
* …

- changed decoder struct and length computations
01:36 Changeset [125] by zorg

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mppenc/tags/mppenc-1.16/src/mppenc.c

Do not fix warnings late at night and create bugs
01:34 Changeset [124] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/src/mppenc.c

Do not fix warnings late at night and create bugs

11/12/06:

22:10 Changeset [123] by zorg

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xmms-musepack/tags/release-1.2.1

made a copy
22:02 Changeset [122] by zorg

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xmms-musepack/trunk/COPYING
* …

set 1.2.1 xmixahlx patch
21:16 Changeset [121] by zorg

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mppenc/tags/mppenc-1.16/Changelog
* …

Use proper credits
14:59 Changeset [120] by zorg

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mppenc/tags/mppenc-1.16

made a copy
14:57 Changeset [119] by zorg

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libmpcdec/tags/release-1.2.3

made a copy
01:19 Changeset [118] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/trunk/src/mpc_decoder.c

Fix crash due to broken code order execution

11/11/06:

18:22 Changeset [117] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/streaminfo.h
* …

- read "EI" and "RG" blocks - updated "SI" block according to the spec
18:19 Changeset [116] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/encode_sv7.c
* …

- added "EI" and "RG" blocks in output - updated "SI" block according to …
13:24 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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00:46 Changeset [115] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/INSTALL

Removed now outdated note
00:29 Changeset [114] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt

Remove special aliasing warnings
00:27 Changeset [113] by zorg

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libmpcdec/trunk/autogen.sh

chmod +x autogen.sh

11/10/06:

23:54 Changeset [112] by zorg

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libmpcdec/trunk/ChangeLog

Update changelog
23:18 Changeset [111] by zorg

*
mppenc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt

More conservative default cflags
23:07 Changeset [110] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/src/mppenc.c
* …

Cosmetics Remove one annoying warning
22:04 Changeset [109] by zorg

*
mppenc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Remove math aliasing issues which were breaking gcc

11/09/06:

21:39 Changeset [108] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/src/decoder.h
* …

- report file size
14:37 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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14:32 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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13:44 Changeset [107] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/mpcdec.h
* …

- gapless playback should now be supported (not verified)
13:42 Changeset [106] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/libmpc.h

- removed undef TRUE / FALSE

11/08/06:

20:53 Changeset [105] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Fix cmake compilation on win32 (both for msvc & mingw/cygwin). It's still …
00:20 Changeset [104] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/mpcdec.h
* …

- can read sv7 & sv8 - seek broken (not implemented) - added demuxer in …
00:05 Changeset [103] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d/src/config.h.in
* …

- changes to follow libmpcdec work in progress - can read sv7 & sv8 - seek …
00:00 Changeset [102] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/trunk/src/libmpc.cpp
* …

- undone last changes (moved to r2d branche)

11/07/06:

23:30 Changeset [101] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/branches/r2d

r2d branche creation

11/06/06:

21:39 Changeset [100] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/INSTALL
* …

Fix compilation on OpenBSD

11/04/06:

16:45 Changeset [99] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/Changelog
* …

Remove tag guessing from filename on unix. Remove now uneeded 'writetags' …
01:06 Changeset [98] by zorg

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mppenc/trunk/src/mppenc.c

Cosmetics infinite-loop

11/03/06:

23:48 Changeset [97] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg
* …

Merge 1.16 branch back to trunk
23:35 Changeset [96] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/CMakeLists.txt

Ensure cmake >= 2.4. Previous issue unrelated
23:24 Changeset [95] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/CMakeLists.txt

Broken option on freebsd
23:18 Changeset [94] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Add install target and INSTALL file
22:07 Changeset [93] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppdec.h

Horrible typo…
22:00 Changeset [92] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppdec.h

Cosmetics
21:59 Changeset [91] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppenc.c

Cosmetics
21:53 Changeset [90] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppdec.h

Fix compilation on freebsd
21:36 Changeset [89] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/CMakeLists.txt

Ensure strict aliasing is disabled as it's currently broken. Use -Os …
20:45 Changeset [88] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppenc.c

Misc cleanup
01:44 Changeset [87] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/CMakeLists.txt
* …

various cleanup
00:18 Changeset [86] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/config.h
* …

Update tags to 1.16
00:10 Changeset [85] by zorg

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/mpc_types.h
* …

Prefix symbols to prevent conflicts

11/01/06:

23:53 Changeset [84] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/src/config.h
* …

Misc cleanup
00:55 Changeset [83] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/CMakeLists.txt
* …

Remove verbose cmake Fix compilation on nix

10/31/06:

23:09 Changeset [82] by zorg

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libmpcdec/trunk/autogen.sh
* …

Clean-up for release
11:50 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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11:47 Changeset [81] by r2d

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/mpc_types.h
* …

- first SV8 decoding, it's VERY BADLY implemented. To enable decoding, …
11:41 Changeset [80] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/bitstream.c

- bug correction in block size with CRC

10/30/06:

13:03 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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10/28/06:

23:38 Changeset [79] by r2d

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xmms-musepack/trunk/src/libmpc.cpp
* …

- made changes to be able to use libmpcdec (zorg's branch)

10/27/06:

18:42 Changeset [78] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/Makefile.am
* …

- added crc32 - first sv8 encodes, main changes in bitstream.c
13:07 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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10/26/06:

22:58 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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22:57 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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10/25/06:

15:07 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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00:49 SV8Specification edited by zorg
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00:27 SV8Specification edited by zorg
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10/24/06:

21:26 WikiStart edited by zorg
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19:10 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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10/23/06:

19:39 SV8Specification edited by r2d
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17:57 SV8Specification created by r2d
17:19 WikiStart edited by r2d
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10/17/06:

16:55 Changeset [77] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/common/minimax.h
* …

- added profile.c in libmpcpsy
13:52 Changeset [76] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/Makefile.am
* …

- removed tools.c

10/12/06:

23:34 Changeset [75] by zorg

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/mpcdec/mpcdec.c
* …

Add wav output
19:15 Ticket #11 (find why float results differ in libmpcenc / libmpcpsy from mppenc) closed by r2d
fixed
19:03 Changeset [74] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/common/mpcmath.h
* …

- removed FASTMATH stuff
18:08 Changeset [73] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/quant.c
* …

- modified quantization to use standard functions - can now compile with …
11:54 Changeset [72] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/config.guess
* …

- output is now exactly the same as 1.15w

10/07/06:

03:02 Ticket #7 (Make mppenc work again with the libs) closed by r2d
fixed
03:02 Ticket #6 (libmpcenc creation) closed by r2d
fixed
03:01 Ticket #5 (libmpcpsy creation) closed by r2d
fixed
02:58 Ticket #11 (find why float results differ in libmpcenc / libmpcpsy from mppenc) created by r2d
the last digits of some floats calculations are not exactly the same as in …
02:56 Ticket #10 (libmpcpsy code cleanup) created by r2d
* clean the libmpcpsy code * move exported functions declarations in a …
02:54 Ticket #9 (libmpcenc code cleanup) created by r2d
* clean the libmpcenc code * move exported functions declarations in a …
02:49 Changeset [71] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

- fixed a LOT of bugs - fixed a bug that took me 2 days to find - …

10/06/06:

23:57 SV8ScheduleOfConditions edited by shy
grammar (diff)
23:55 ProposedRoadmap edited by shy
clarifications and grammar fixes (diff)
18:51 Changeset [70] by zorg

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/mpcdec.h
* …

Added primitive mpcdec
17:26 Changeset [69] by zorg

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libmpcdec/branches/zorg/include/mpcdec/reader.h
* …

Minor indent fix for consistency
17:14 Changeset [68] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/branches/zorg/INSTALL
* …

Separated public interface from private headers Use opaque objects …

10/03/06:

01:57 Changeset [67] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/Makefile.am
* …

- fixed an indianess problem in libmpcenc

10/02/06:

23:20 Changeset [66] by r2d

*
mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcenc/encode_sv7.c
* …

- mppenc compiles and runs, but output is not playing
20:41 Changeset [65] by r2d

*
mppenc/branches/r2d/common/datatypes.h
* …

- mppenc can be compiled *but* doesn't work (segfault) - some variables …

09/29/06:

18:23 Ticket #8 (make a lib from the replay gain app) created by r2d
Replay gain is not integrated in mppenc (mppenc sets the replay gain …
18:16 Ticket #7 (Make mppenc work again with the libs) created by r2d
16:55 Changeset [64] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

- added libmpcenc and a common directory - can compile libmpcenc and …
01:03 Changeset [63] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/branches/zorg

New branch from trunk
01:02 Changeset [62] by zorg

*
libmpcdec/branches/zorg

Delete outdated branch
00:11 SV8ScheduleOfConditions edited by r2d
(diff)
00:10 ProposedRoadmap edited by r2d
(diff)

09/28/06:

18:30 Changeset [61] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/Makefile.am
* …

added kdevelop project files
18:15 Changeset [60] by r2d

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mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcpsy/ans.c
* …

added a PsyModel struct, too much members in it. some will be removed …
18:03 Changeset [59] by r2d

*
mppenc/branches/r2d/libmpcpsy
* …

added libmpcpsy directory and moved files
17:49 Changeset [58] by r2d

*
mppenc/branches/r2d

creating mppenc branch from zorg branch to split it into libs

09/27/06:

16:17 Ticket #6 (libmpcenc creation) created by r2d
Create libmpcenc from mppenc sources
16:15 Ticket #5 (libmpcpsy creation) created by r2d
Create libmpcpsy from mppenc sources
12:21 ProposedRoadmap edited by r2d
(diff)
12:17 ProposedRoadmap edited by r2d
(diff)
01:48 SV8ScheduleOfConditions edited by r2d
(diff)
01:25 ProposedRoadmap edited by r2d
(diff)
01:24 Ticket #3 (beep-beep) closed by zorg
fixed: http://trac.musepack.net/trac/changeset/57 Done
01:23 Changeset [57] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppenc.c

Add three beeps after encoding is finished through option --beep
01:21 SV8ScheduleOfConditions edited by r2d
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01:16 SV8ScheduleOfConditions edited by r2d
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01:09 SV8ScheduleOfConditions created by r2d
01:04 WikiStart edited by r2d
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01:01 Changeset [56] by zorg

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mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppenc.c

Disable tags by default. Added --writetags option
00:23 ProposedRoadmap edited by zorg
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00:22 SV7Specification edited by r2d
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00:21 ProposedRoadmap edited by zorg
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00:14 SV7Specification edited by zorg
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00:10 SV7Specification edited by r2d
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00:08 SV7Specification edited by r2d
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09/26/06:

23:46 SV7Specification created by r2d
23:38 ProposedRoadmap edited by zorg
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23:36 WikiStart edited by r2d
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23:25 ProposedRoadmap created by r2d
21:37 WikiStart edited by r2d
(diff)
20:50 Ticket #4 (Port winamp plugin to libmpcdec) created by zorg
Winamp plugin directly include mpc decoding code. It could be modified to …
01:56 Ticket #3 (beep-beep) created by anonymous
Code to add 3 beeps to signal end of encoding should be added …
01:33 Ticket #2 (Mpcdec) created by zorg
Mppdec is hidden inside musepack-tools, use lots of outdated code, doesn't …

09/25/06:

22:39 Changeset [55] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppenc.c

Cosmetics
22:27 Changeset [54] by zorg

*
mppenc/branches/zorg/src/mppenc.c

Options cleanup. Patch by xmixahlx
21:09 CamelCase edited by trac
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128k is a reduction in standards. I am not telling anyone to NOT use it as that would be anti-freedom. This new mantra " just use lossless and stuff the other format cause mp3 is universal 128k should be fine" I find objectionable.

I like lossless , But shouldn't we be using it outside of our Pc as well ? I would like to take the same quality library everywhere i can. If HA members don't demand HQ playback DAP (gapless, lossless, exotic lossy..) - who will ?

Completely agree.

This post has been edited by Antonski: Aug 20 2009, 15:53

[GeSomeone]

People who don't care about audio quality could just transcode MPC to mp3. But I don't think such people used MPC in the first place.

For DAP/phone/car I would rather do that then rerip, I consider the remaining quality easily high enough for those purposes. For quality playback at home (without computer that is) I would convert to WAV and have the same quality as the Musepack.
Only for the existing Musepack files of course.

[halb27]

They do - they need to re-rip to lossless while they still can. If they wait until the next new DAP/car/phone/whatever they want to buy doesn't have MPC support, they might find they don't have the time / hardware / CDs left to re-rip then! ...

Well the time will probably come that they have to re-encode or re-rip. But whether to do it now or later or (with very low chance) never is a personal thing.
When using mpc only on a pc there will be a lot of time until re-encoding will be necessary.
When using mpc on a mobile DAP AFAIK it can be done only with Rockbox armed players. These players are so old that in case that somebody uses them today he won't have a problem to use them for some more years IMO.
Of course with an ever-growing music library it would be wise to switch rather earlier than later.
But even then this is a question of strategy. A useful argument may be 'Within two years memory of mobile DAPs will be so large that I can use lossless (or very high quality lossy like lossyWAV + lossless). I can wait another two years.'
So it's all up to users' preferences.

[Brother John]

2Bdecided has a valid point here. CDs don’t live forever, even pressed ones don’t. Of course hard drives die as well. But you can easily make backups. You can even fully automate that process and have at least two full copies of your library on different physical drives at any given time.

That’s the real advantage of lossless and that’s the reason why I’m currently re-ripping my collection to FLAC. I used Musepack before so I’m probably the more paranoid type anyway. But the point is that for a backup, i.e. for redundant storage of the original data an approximation of that data (and thus any lossy format) is just not good enough.


As for Muspack’s own problems. I agree with what has been said already.

• Missing hardware support is probably the biggest factor.
• With all the excitement around the development, listening tests etc. of the other codecs Musepack just fell by the wayside. Yes, it’s mature, it’s stable, it produces great transparent quality. But there hasn’t been anything new to talk about for a long time to get people’s attention. Even stream version 8 was more of a minor note.
• Musepack users are likely to be the ones who are paranoid about quality. That’s also the user group with the strongest move towards lossless.

I feel Musepack is a little like the OggMedia container format. That was a great hack to have because it enabled Vorbis audio for movies. Then »real« modern container formats emerged – Matroska and MP4 – and made OGM obsolete.

Musepack isn’t a hack of course. But the situation was somewhat similar. It provided unproblematic transparency when MP3 couldn’t. But then MP3 improved, Vorbis and AAC came along. Musepack lost its advantage and the other formats won with their wider support throughout the industry.

[David Nordin]

1.5TB HDD = £86 = about 3 pence per CD lossless.

Ah yes...
mind you a new CD here in Sweden is about £17, so a 1.5TB HDD, with room for very roughly 3500 lossless albums makes the whole idea rather amusing.

hehe, that means you're paying around £59000 to fill it up

(another amusing number is if RIAA would find such a collection, I'd estimate their claim somewhere around £1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000)

[2Bdecided]

a new CD here in Sweden is about £17

Ouch! Really, still? CD prices have collapsed here in the UK. You can still find (quite) expensive shops, but they're going out of business. And supermarkets started doing legal downloads, pushing prices down further.

e.g. all chart CDs here for £7.99 or less:
http://www.cdwow.com/

...and everything else (basic things like bread, milk etc) have been going up stupidly these last two years, so music seams very cheap now.

(Though I'm sure there's still more free/pirated music around than paid for music - far more).

Cheers,
David.

[bawjaws]

I do demand HQ playback on my DAP. I'm just not delusional enough to believe I can hear the difference between FLAC and LAME v3 on my DAP, and would rather have the battery life and size advantages of MP3.

How does lossless like Flac measure up to MP3 or AAC in battery life?

I'd imagine if you've got a spinning disk in your DAP then that will give the large FLAC files a major disadvantage but many are flash memory based now. Obviously this makes it less likely that you can fit your entire collection without lossy transcoding, but what if you can? I believe Flac decode is less processor intensive in theory but does dedicated hardware support make the difference, or does bitrate alone have the biggest impact?

This post has been edited by bawjaws: Aug 20 2009, 17:00

[vpa]

AFAIK: Musepack is based on MP2, and therefore only uses one blocksize. As a pro this means you have no blockswitching issues (like with MP3, Vorbis, AAC), but as a con you have to use higher bitrates to reach transparency.

[halb27]

How does lossless like Flac measure up to MP3 or AAC in battery life? ...

When I switched from mp3 (for the major part) and wavPack lossy to lossyWAV + FLAC on my HD based iRiver H140 battery life turned better in a very noticable way.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, me too. I will not sacrifice my mp3 quality for disk space.

I am more of the quality than disk quantity.

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[nycjv321]

Musepack is still as good as mp3 if not better and on par with modern codecs and vorbis and aac so why does no one talk about it? I was murking around the forum wiki and found out musepack was opensource which is a big plus for me... and older abx tests have it on par with aotuv or lame so why no talk? is it becuase of slow development? I think this is unfair if the codec is already so good no more tuning is needed..... any reason why people don't use mpc anymore other then compatibility? (converting from lossless to another format isn't too trivial... lol....)

For starters, LAME is almost as good as MPC, and Vorbis can be said to be even better.

So, if LAME is on par with MPC, but it has 50 times the hw support, why bother with MPC?

And if you want better quality than LAME, why don't go with Vorbis wich still has much better HW support than MPC.

Or even more, go with FLAC.

Other problem i see is that for a long time, it was almost abandoned, and no new dev was being done.

This is how i see it.

dude I don't care about hardware support first of all its not only about "hardware support"...... its also about compatibility, licensing, quality....
1. Foobar2000+lossless backups has fixed all my compatibility needs
2. Vorbis (the codec and its encoders (oggenc) are open source (just found out mpc was and which is why I asked what happened)
3. Vorbis achieves "apparent transparency" for most people at q4 128kbs (I encode to q6-8 though)

development doesn't really matter becuase if the codec is already matured then why bother asking "for more"? Its like people talking about neroaac lacking development somewhere else on this forum.... it works great so why ask for more? you can only go so far...... its a lossy codec. I am the one looking for the hardware that supports my music format of choice not the other way around... goes back to the point about a small group of people in closed door rooms choosing codecs for me NOT FOR ME.... granted this is difficult to do but foobar2000 to the rescue!!!

And it sounds like your actually comparing lame to aoTuV LOL..... WOW

telling me to go to vorbis becuase of hardware support really kills your argument of choosing lame becuase it has more support then all the codecs so why not just use lame? wait thats becuase hardware isn't the only factor in choosing a format of choice....

[nycjv321]

umm why was the original title of this topic change?

[2Bdecided]

I am the one looking for the hardware that supports my music format of choice not the other way around...

That's rather limiting.

I mean, I could choose vinyl as my music format of choice, but it's not going to play very well in the car

cheers,
David.

[twostar]

dude I don't care about hardware support first of all its not only about "hardware support"...... its also about compatibility, licensing, quality....

The only thing MPC has going for it is quality. The quality improvement over LAME to most people and for most samples is negligible. As for licensing, they're both free to use. That's what matters. As for compatibility and hardware support, there's no contest.

And good luck looking for hardware that supports MPC.

[nycjv321]

dude I don't care about hardware support first of all its not only about "hardware support"...... its also about compatibility, licensing, quality....

The only thing MPC has going for it is quality. The quality improvement over LAME to most people and for most samples is negligible. As for licensing, they're both free to use. That's what matters. As for compatibility and hardware support, there's no contest.

And good luck looking for hardware that supports MPC.

lol yea so we should just disregard what the license says right? as long as its free? LOL..... let me say it again I don't use mpc... I use vorbis (aoutv) at q6-8 and usually recencode from either that or my lossless backups to aac or lame for my ipod (which I don't use anymore) or my winmo actually I have a vorbis compliment player on it so I could just use vorbis just fine...

[Soap]

I am the one looking for the hardware that supports my music format of choice not the other way around...

That's rather limiting.

I mean, I could choose vinyl as my music format of choice, but it's not going to play very well in the car

*cough*
http://www.roadkillontheweb.com/images/s_hifi4.jpg

[viktor]

I like lossless , But shouldn't we be using it outside of our Pc as well ? I would like to take the same quality library everywhere i can. If HA members don't demand HQ playback DAP (gapless, lossless, exotic lossy..) - who will ?

who said it's not demanded? it's just DAMN EXPENSIVE! i have 100GB of music, and any player which can store them all is simply not an option for me due to the price. anyway, i'm not sure whether such FLAC/Vorbis-capable player exists at all. so i have to transcode to vorbis to maximize the number of tracks which i can store on my player.

[viktor]

the future (present) of music on pc is lossless. on portable it's transparent and widespread (well supported) lossy (mp3 or occasionally aac, ogg). in long term, the future is lossless on portable too...

I doubt the future is lossless because 1- lossless contain needless information 2- lower than lossless bitrates can give awfully good quality 3- songs sold online are mostly lossy and selling rythm is increasing fast (didn't some months ago digital albums sold surpassed traditional audio CD's selling?).

Besides, in the future desktops PC's will have market penetration as high as it has now? I think they will less and less important among all devices (existents and still to be developed).

1) needless? no, hell no. you can't hear *some* part of it, but it's not needless.
2) yes, but now there's no big cost for storing even better quality. you can eliminate artifacts with a 100% rate and you don't have to bother with transcoding issues if you ever want to process the files. if you want some good demostration, save the same jpeg picture 10 times, and compare the last picture to the first.
3) who cares what they do now? if they do, that doesn't mean they will keep doing so for 100 years. even nowadays i only buy lossless anyway. and the music industry is always badly lagging behind (and fighting against) technology.

and at the same time, you seem to totally ignore that
1) disk space gets cheaper
2) bandwidth gets cheaper
3) computing power gets cheaper (for processing)

oh and about my first post in this thread, people seem to forget that i said it's what most likely *will* happen, not what *should* happen. however, in the long term, i don't see problems with lossless everywhere. and your choice for lossy format on your DAP really won't matter if mainstream distribution ever gets lossless.

This post has been edited by viktor: Aug 21 2009, 15:24

[AshenTech]

dude I don't care about hardware support first of all its not only about "hardware support"...... its also about compatibility, licensing, quality....

The only thing MPC has going for it is quality. The quality improvement over LAME to most people and for most samples is negligible. As for licensing, they're both free to use. That's what matters. As for compatibility and hardware support, there's no contest.

And good luck looking for hardware that supports MPC.

actually you can find hardware support for MPC, its rare but it exists, and your wrong about quaility being the only advantage, On my buddys old ass iriver h320(with new larger hdd) using MPC gives better batt life then mp3 or flac, MPC is VERY FAST and low power to decode, hardware support can come with a simple firmware flash if people request it.

look at vorbis and flac support on sansa players like the clip and fuze, sansa saw the demand, and added support to the firmware, the same can be done with musepack and other formats.

dude I don't care about hardware support first of all its not only about "hardware support"...... its also about compatibility, licensing, quality....

The only thing MPC has going for it is quality. The quality improvement over LAME to most people and for most samples is negligible. As for licensing, they're both free to use. That's what matters. As for compatibility and hardware support, there's no contest.

And good luck looking for hardware that supports MPC.

lol yea so we should just disregard what the license says right? as long as its free? LOL..... let me say it again I don't use mpc... I use vorbis (aoutv) at q6-8 and usually recencode from either that or my lossless backups to aac or lame for my ipod (which I don't use anymore) or my winmo actually I have a vorbis compliment player on it so I could just use vorbis just fine...

last i checked musepack is 100% free and opensource now, Early on it had some copyrighted code in it, but that was fixed a very long time ago and as such is just as free as vorbis.

I use musepack for a long time, and IF sansa can be convenced to add musepack support I would switch back from vorbis, I love aotuv's work, but musepack would likely give me a batt life BOOST rather then loss over mp3(vorbis cuts batt life a bit compared to mp3)

[viktor]

actually you can find hardware support for MPC, its rare but it exists, and your wrong about quaility being the only advantage, On my buddys old ass iriver h320(with new larger hdd) using MPC gives better batt life then mp3 or flac, MPC is VERY FAST and low power to decode, hardware support can come with a simple firmware flash if people request it.

it doesn't matter at all if there are 2 players on earth which support it. it only matters if it's widespread. 5% more battery life is really not a selling point either, especially not in the format war. you can produce massively superior formats, they won't give a shit if they get their music in mp3 and their player support mp3 only.

last i checked musepack is 100% free and opensource now, Early on it had some copyrighted code in it, but that was fixed a very long time ago and as such is just as free as vorbis.

yeah, so you should understand that it wasn't there at the right time, so it doesn't matter if it's free now if they should have been free 5 or 10 years ago. monkey's audio is also free now, but it wasn't when it should, and now noone's interested in it.

I use musepack for a long time, and IF sansa can be convenced to add musepack support I would switch back from vorbis, I love aotuv's work, but musepack would likely give me a batt life BOOST rather then loss over mp3(vorbis cuts batt life a bit compared to mp3)

yeah, you prefer battery life. but 99% of people won't re-encode their music and potentially buy new hardware for 20 mins longer playtime, that's for sure. it's somehwat easier to plug in for an hour for charging.

[prankstare]

the future (present) of music on pc is lossless. on portable it's transparent and widespread (well supported) lossy (mp3 or occasionally aac, ogg). in long term, the future is lossless on portable too.

Hum, I don't think so. That thought might work well for the most audiophiles but the majority probably don't even know what lossless means - and my guess is that they don't really worry about the quality at all, as long as it plays, sounds and recognize the music in their brains.

I could say I enjoy listening to high-quality music, for sure, but do I always look for lossless? Not really. In fact, I consider a 3 or 4 minute-song comprising about 30MB each rather an exaggeration, given the fact that you could get even more of that time with video information, which is much richer than just audio stream. All this regardless of how cheap hdd's may and might be today and in the future.

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[viktor]

the future (present) of music on pc is lossless. on portable it's transparent and widespread (well supported) lossy (mp3 or occasionally aac, ogg). in long term, the future is lossless on portable too.

Hum, I don't think so. That thought might work well for the most audiophiles but the majority probably don't even know what lossless means - and my guess is that they don't really worry about the quality at all, as long as it plays, sounds and recognize the music in their brains.

I could say I enjoy listening to high-quality music, for sure, but do I always look for lossless? Not really. In fact, I consider a 3 or 4 minute-song comprising about 30MB each rather an exaggeration, given the fact that you could get even more of that time with video information, which is much richer than just audio stream. All this regardless of how cheap hdd's may and might be today and in the future.

releasing lossy is an additional step, since producers always have lossless copy too. decrease of costs of disk space and bandwidth helps eliminating this unnecessary and (in terms of quality) harmful step.

the spread of lossless has already begun, and it can get only wider.

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[String Theory]

Musepack didn't interest me until yesterday. After hearing a MPC-song I instantly fell in love with the format. The quality of a q5-file is absolutely great! My Rockboxed Sansa Clip+ is now playing MPC-files all day long :-) ...

Ain't there something we can do to give Musepack the world wide attention it deserves?

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[db1989]

After hearing a MPC-song I instantly fell in love with the format. The quality of a q5-file is absolutely great!

Sounds like the placebo effect to me.