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Grooveshark lawsuit, Split from: "Victor's plan to turn CDs into high resolution&q
mzil
post Dec 13 2012, 18:17
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My daughter (18) and a lot of her friends listen to music on Youtube, very few of them download albums or songs from pirate sites, even though they can and are able to do that. The reason is simple - a simple google-like search gives them song they want. They even don't use sites like G**********, where the quality of some music uploads is better.


Considering this company, I've never even heard of 'til now, has been sued according to wikipedia's entry on them:

"... has been sued for copyright infringement by all the major music companies, and the suits were active in January 2012. The major companies are EMI Music Publishing, Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group and Universal Music Group.[3] Concerns about copyright usage have prompted Google, Apple and Facebook to remove G**********'s applications from Google Play, the App Store (iOS) and Facebook platform respectively"

I need clarification as to how the previous mention of another site earlier in the thread was deemed a violation of TOS #9, banning a member for two days, yet this isn't.

I've never downloaded anything illegally, in fact I've never even heard of any of these companies, I have to look them up each time they get mentioned, but if simply mentioning "they exist" is a violation of TOS #9, then the rule should be applied uniformly. IMO, I also think that TOS #9 is poorly worded if simply mentioning they exist, yet not advocating their use, is considered objectionable. That's not how I read it at least.

I am simply asking for clarification; I am not in any way opposing the rule itself.

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post Dec 13 2012, 18:28
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mzil - and why is mentioning Youtube all right, in light of TOS#9 & 2-day banning of one member?... (a lot of copyright infringement going on YT...)


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post Dec 13 2012, 18:32
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QUOTE (zima @ Dec 13 2012, 12:28) *
mzil - and why is mentioning Youtube all right, in light of TOS#9 & 2-day banning of one member?... (a lot of copyright infringement going on YT...)

I think the difference is that Youtube at least attempts to remove offending material when pointed out to them.
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post Dec 13 2012, 18:38
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QUOTE (zima @ Dec 13 2012, 13:28) *
mzil - and why is mentioning Youtube all right, in light of TOS#9 & 2-day banning of one member?... (a lot of copyright infringement going on YT...)

That's a good question. I don't know, but I'm certainly not the one to ask because I know very little about these sites in the first place and also because I still don't have confirmation on if even mentioning them by name is considered objectionable. I'm asking for help from the site's administration to spell it out for me.

I didn't know YT was a violator also; if told not to use them, by the sites administration, then I won't.

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I think the difference is that Youtube at least attempts to remove offending material when pointed out to them.
That was my impression as well, but like I said I don't know much about it nor do i set the rules. I just want to know/understand what the rules are and I will gladly follow them.

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post Dec 13 2012, 18:50
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Do not mention entities (sites, groups, hubs, trackers, etc.) by name that are typically used to distribute unauthorized copyrighted material. I don't know that I should be saying this, but this site has actually lost revenue as a result of some of you twits breaking TOS #9. Mentioning youtube and google is not going to get you into trouble; however, using them in a way as to answer how one could distribute unauthorized copyrighted material is another story since that demonstrates a clear intention to violate the rule. Mentioning software like bittorrent may or may not get you into trouble depending on the context.

It was brought to my attention that the entity (NOT Grooveshark!) I censored no longer exists. Unfortunately, the post I censored also no longer exists because of a bone-headed error on my part to clean up ths off-topic mess. To the entity no longer existing I answer: tough shit, you should have said so in the first place. Had it been clear that the entity is either long gone or is no longer facilitating illegal activity (like Napster) and you're only mentioning them because of historical significance then that's probably not going to ruffle any feathers. Furthermore, don't expect moderators to reaearch these entities to determine whether they are legal or not; or whether they still exist.

If you think mentioning something might violate the rule but aren't sure, my advice is to keep it to yourself.

Also, do not expect instant moderation. We do this free and at-will. Not every post is caught.

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post Dec 13 2012, 22:26
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QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 13 2012, 09:50) *
... I don't know that I should be saying this ...


Is it illegal to do so, or a TOS violation? smile.gif People are more likely to comply with rules when they understand the reason for them.

(I've noticed that pressure on advertisers by copyright vigilantes is common these days. I could mention sites where such activities are discussed, but it's probably against the TOS...)


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post Dec 13 2012, 23:53
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Illegal or against the rules to talk about how this forum receives funding? No, but I try to remain ignorant or agnostic on the subject whenever possible and believe I've been pretty successful in doing so.

While I do not think it is secret, I don't feel comfortable discussing what little I know about it. Perhaps Garf or someone else can provide additional information, but this is way off topic here. People asked about clarification and I gave some, at least insofar as to how I moderate on TOS #9. There is at least one dedicated discussion on it already, in case you want to search for it. File-sharing is only a part of what that rule covers, BTW.

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post Dec 14 2012, 04:07
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QUOTE (mzil @ Dec 13 2012, 12:17) *
Considering this company, I've never even heard of 'til now, has been sued according to wikipedia's entry on them:

"... has been sued for copyright infringement by all the major music companies, and the suits were active in January 2012. The major companies are EMI Music Publishing, Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group and Universal Music Group.[3] Concerns about copyright usage have prompted Google, Apple and Facebook to remove G**********'s applications from Google Play, the App Store (iOS) and Facebook platform respectively"


If this is the G... it seems to be, the same wikipedia article says that a judge ruled they are ok as long as they keep honoring take-down notices from copyright holders, That is, they are not responsible for infringing uploads as long as they respond to complaints. A friend told me today she'd just downloaded the app for her iphone.

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post Dec 14 2012, 05:53
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This is offtopic and should have been moderated (or splitted) as such. Grooveshark is US based, just like this forum (used to? when did you move to NL? smile.gif); it was sued in January and a verdict made in July, it is not in violation to forum rules to mention US legal sites or companies, please check before censoring:

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In July of 2012, New York State Supreme Court Judge Barbara Kapnick upheld that the service of Grooveshark was protected under the "safe harbor" provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
According to wikipedia, it is yet another streaming service. So I'm thinking its an audio Netflix or alike.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooveshark

As for funding, don't be shy to set up some paypal donation button, with monthly goals, like many other sites do. Once the goal is reached you stop accepting funds until the next month (any excess gets added to the next month automatically).

Consider moving these offtopic messages to either Site Related Discussion or another thread, this is supposed to be about Victor's "HD" audio. happy.gif


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post Dec 14 2012, 07:40
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QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Dec 13 2012, 20:53) *
As for funding, don't be shy to set up some paypal donation button, with monthly goals, like many other sites do. Once the goal is reached you stop accepting funds until the next month (any excess gets added to the next month automatically).

Fuck PayPal...
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=77427


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post Dec 14 2012, 14:02
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QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 14 2012, 03:40) *
QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Dec 13 2012, 20:53) *
As for funding, don't be shy to set up some paypal donation button, with monthly goals, like many other sites do. Once the goal is reached you stop accepting funds until the next month (any excess gets added to the next month automatically).

Fuck PayPal...
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=77427

LOL; ok, something similar... but the main point was to show the monthly goals~


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post Dec 14 2012, 16:17
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I imagine it will be done if an admin sees fit.

So that we're clear, the subject of this discussion is to be limited to Grooveshark. If anyone wants to discuss something different such as donations or TOS #9, please search for an existing discussion and add your post there. If one cannot be found to your satisfaction, go ahead and start a new one, but only after you have taken the time to search.

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