What bitrate do you use?, MP3,AAC,Vorbis,MPC. |
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What bitrate do you use?, MP3,AAC,Vorbis,MPC. |
 May 25 2009, 21:05
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Group: Members Posts: 1314 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Argentina, Bs As Member No.: 18803  |
It will be interesting and maybe usefull to see what bitrates people use mostly for different generation codecs like MP3, AAC, Vorbis etc.
I understand I post this poll in wrong subforum as I haven't rights to create poll in Poll section. Please, don't remove this interesing poll. This post has been edited by IgorC: May 25 2009, 21:07 |
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May 25 2009, 21:25
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I use FLAC mostly, but in order to get stuff playing and fitting on my iPod, I convert to MP3 V5. Used V4 but that didn't fit, and V5 I really cant hear the difference anyway.
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May 25 2009, 22:31
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 Group: Members Posts: 913 Joined: 22-October 01 From: the Netherlands Member No.: 335 |
It is maybe confusing to put MPC with AAC and Vorbis, I would use about 200+ with MPC but lower with AAC or Vorbis.
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May 26 2009, 01:21
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QUOTE (GeSomeone @ May 25 2009, 22:31)  It is maybe confusing to put MPC with AAC and Vorbis, I would use about 200+ with MPC but lower with AAC or Vorbis. I thought the same when I read the poll. Anyway, my vote for lossless and Aoyumi's tuned ogg encodes @ -q 5 (~160 kbps) for portable. |
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May 26 2009, 09:45
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The first question can be answered easily but not the second one. What's the definition of a "modern" codec (in this poll if you want)? Grouping AAC, Vorbis and MPC suggests these three are modern and similar and on the other hand indirectly suggests mp3 is not modern. And what to answer to the second question when using mpc at 250+ kbps and also aac at around 128 kbps? (Just an example). Sorry but I can't participate in this poll.
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May 26 2009, 09:57
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QUOTE (Brent @ May 25 2009, 22:25) I use FLAC mostly, but in order to get stuff playing and fitting on my iPod, I convert to MP3 V5. Used V4 but that didn't fit, and V5 I really cant hear the difference anyway. Yeah, me too. I rip all my CDs to FLAC but also encode them to LAME -V 5.5 (voted 5) and neroAacEnc -q 0.25 [~80 kb/s] for my portable devices. |
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May 26 2009, 10:52
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 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 13-February 05 From: Germany, Kempten Member No.: 19808 |
MPC, Vorbis and AAc should be voted seperately.
I use MPC: ~170kbps VBR AAC: ~96kbps VBR -------------------- FB2K,APE&LAME
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May 26 2009, 21:27
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been hosed by users upset about MP3 not being termed a "modern" codec. It's true that MP3 lacks some of the features of Vorbis, AAC, WMA, etc. but current original music releases (except DVD Audio releases, which exist but are vanishingly rare) generally don't take advantage of those newer features anyway ... just my opinion.
Voted V0 for MP3 and 320kbps+ for WMA (back when I still ripped to that codec, I no longer do) -------------------- EAC>1)fb2k>LAME3.99 -V 0 --vbr-new>WMP12 2)MAC-Extra High
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May 27 2009, 01:11
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Voted MP3 and V0. With my tin can ears I could probably get by with less but I'm a believer of always building in a little insurance. And with hard drive space so cheap and the iPod and Zune with models larger than my music collection I don't much care about storage.
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May 27 2009, 03:58
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 "MP3" vs "modern codecs like MPC" I thought it's "no trolling" here?However... Vorbis @ q6, MP3 @ 192 or 256 kbps (depends) ... This post has been edited by tuxman: May 27 2009, 03:59 -------------------- audiophile // FLAC and Vorbis user // Winamp addict
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May 27 2009, 16:48
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LAME V5.
-------------------- Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
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May 28 2009, 08:40
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I only use mp3 for my portable with settings -V5 for music and -V8 -mm for speech.
I use modern lossy codecs for movies. Nero AAC -q 0.35 (~96kbps). For my main music library on my pc i use FLAC. In the past i used MPC -q5 (~180kbps) though. |
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May 28 2009, 09:40
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Group: Members Posts: 229 Joined: 29-December 03 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 10785 |
I tend to want all my music to be the same bitrate, can't really come up with a good excuse why, just makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
With LAME I got to the point where I used -V 0, so it matched anything I bought off the Amazon MP3 Store. Recently though I purchased a Zune and a Zune pass, so I've been using 192kbps WMA, that way my ripped CDs and DRMed Zune pass content are all the same bitrate. I can't ABX the difference with either option (-V 0 or 192K WMA), so it works for me. This post has been edited by rudefyet: May 28 2009, 09:52 |
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May 28 2009, 10:50
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I used aac for my nokia and the setting I use is vbr -q0.5.
all song sounds transparent to my ears.... i know i don't need to use that high but I'd love to be on the save side....  for my pmp, i used mp3, fhg vbr-160kbps average (about -v3 for lame...). This post has been edited by hazumi-san: May 28 2009, 10:52 |
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May 28 2009, 12:11
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Lame mp3 -V3 (siggy could have told you that
 )And I do not use more modern codecs. I've never had a need to and don't record multi-channel audio. -------------------- foobar 0.9.6.8
FLAC -5 LAME 3.98 -V3 |
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May 29 2009, 04:32
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Lame V0
-------------------- http://www.last.fm/user/acedriver
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Jun 9 2009, 17:23
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I rip to AAC @ 320 VBR via Max. It yields some pretty tasty bit rates...
 I know, 'waste of space', but I fully embrace the placebo effect. 
This post has been edited by Centauri: Jun 9 2009, 17:33 -------------------- Altec UHP336s/Sennheiser eH 150s/AKG K171s & q113 tVBR AAC...
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Jun 9 2009, 22:46
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MP3 -Vx or 320 kbps? That's all the options I get? Am I being banned from stating that I encode to MP3 @ 192 kbps CBR?
Btw, I'm planning to rip my music collection to AAC LC at a high bitrate of 256 or 320 kbps. Chris -------------------- If I don't reply to your reply, it means I agree with you.
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Jun 9 2009, 23:05
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QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 9 2009, 23:46) MP3 -Vx or 320 kbps? That's all the options I get? Am I being banned from stating that I encode to MP3 @ 192 kbps CBR? Why do you use cbr?? |
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Jun 10 2009, 02:27
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 Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 18-December 06 From: Olongapo Member No.: 38799 |
After a very long exhaustive search for my sweet spot, I rip everything to LAME 3.97 -V5 (default; vbr old). I like its default lowpass of 16kHz. I don't archive my CDs to lossless. If ever something bad happens to my original CDs, I'll just make do of what was left.
Clarity is in the ears of the beholder! Contentment is the final step towards perfection. = ) -------------------- "Listen to me...
Never take unsolicited advice..." |
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Jun 10 2009, 05:36
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My current settings are Wavpack Hybrid with the 160 kbps bitrate for most of what I encode, especially the master copies.
my longer website audio files are Ogg-Vorbis in the 60 kbps bitrate (-q -0.21) range, which works perfectly for older mono recording 60-70+ years old. offtopic edit: almost to 200 posts! This post has been edited by The_Cisco_Kid: Jun 10 2009, 05:37 |
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Jun 10 2009, 08:58
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Group: Developer Posts: 618 Joined: 6-December 08 From: Erlangen Germany Member No.: 64012 |
QUOTE (PaJaRo @ Jun 10 2009, 00:05) Why do you use cbr?? Why not?? Doesn't matter. The question was, which bit rates to use for MP3 or modern codecs, not: which bitrates for LAME and modern codecs, and not: which VBR modes for LAME. Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder, right? Yes, LAME is a great encoder, but please don't forget there are others which do not have a -Vx switch (actually I don't even know by heart which bit rate range each switch maps to), and in some cases you might want/need to use CBR. That's all I wanted to clarify. Chris -------------------- If I don't reply to your reply, it means I agree with you.
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Jun 10 2009, 15:46
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QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 10 2009, 09:58) QUOTE (PaJaRo @ Jun 10 2009, 00:05) Why do you use cbr?? Why not?? Doesn't matter. Yes it does matter, since if you use vbr you will get either smaller files or higher quality files. QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 10 2009, 09:58) Yes, LAME is a great encoder, but please don't forget there are others which do not have a -Vx switch (actually I don't even know by heart which bit rate range each switch maps to), and in some cases you might want/need to use CBR. Do you have any special reason to use a codec that does not support vbr? What are the cases when you might want/need to use CBR? |
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Jun 10 2009, 15:59
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 Group: Members Posts: 2019 Joined: 8-April 05 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 21277 |
There are some cases where people come across hardware limitations. Older DVD/home theater devices, car CD decks, etc. may only be compatible with CBR mp3 files. These cases are rare these days and are more prominent in older hardware. So it can happen if someone is still using older hardware (it works so why change it out?) and doesn't feel like upgrading.
My lossy music library is encoded with Nero's latest AAC encoder at -q0.5. I found that the -q0.45 setting was generally transparent for my needs but I decided to go up to the next setting (in 0.05 intervals) as I listen to music in the metal genre. I have found that Ministry and Nine Inch Nails songs often produce more artifacts (or is it artefacts?) with lossy encoders. I didn't want to chance coming across an audible artifact in the future so I just went with -q0.5. |
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Jul 11 2009, 18:24
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Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 3-March 09 Member No.: 67563 |
the second poll result looks like a bell curve to me:)
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