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ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Hello all.  I'm a newcomer to the forum, so I apologize for asking this since I'm sure it's been hased out before.

But due to Razorlame's inability to handle ID3 tags at the moment, is there a simple program I can use to add ID3 tags properly after I've ripped with EAC, and encoded with Razorlame?

Oh.. and since I'm here, I have one small question about encoding with EAC.  Suppose I've decided that I'm going to be doing all my encoding with --alt-preset standard, and I want EAC to use this setting.  When I use this command line parameter, does the drop-down window for the bit-rate still have any affect on the resulting quality/size of the mp3 file, or will this just be ingnored since I have used a lame preset?

Thanks for the help!  Reading through these posts I've become so much more educated as to how to properly encode mp3's, and you guys are geniuses when it comes to tweaking these presets.
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ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #1 –
search google for mptagger (personal favorite), renatager, id3-tagit, ... (bit lazy for the moment)

best yet is to set up eac to use lame, and let eac do the tagging. command line overrules switches set in eac, so no problem with --alt-presets.


welcome to the forum,

ephemeros

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #2 –
Even better to encode with mpc, of course. Incredible quality. For the moment it is limited to ID3v1.1 tags, so that doesn't really solve yur problem. That should change with StreamVersion 8, IIRC. New tagging options (not ID3v2, but a completely new tagging scheme allowing longer fields)

OT: Anybody up for MPC Decoder support in LAME so us with portables can do a one-step conversion from MPC to LAME? That's one of the things that's really been bugging me about switching to MPC...the amount of effort to decode and encode to a bitrate and format appropriate for an mp3-only DMP. Dibrom, seeing as the decoding source is available, would this be a possible additional feature for your compiles? I don't see the LAME dev team approving something like this, though it would make life a whole lot easier for a bunch of us.

First post, I've been lurking on this forum from the beginning.

James
The sky is blue.

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #3 –
hi, just to say, that i think MPC decoder support in LAME is unlikely, as that is not an objective of the LAME project. it doesn't take that long, to play mpc files in winamp with diskwriter then to encode the files with Mpc Encoder, what you could do is find a decent winamp output mp3 plugin (ie LAME encoder) and play mpc files in winamp directly, dunno if this would work, anyone out there with any suggestion/corrections, ps, ive heard if your gonna transcode from Mpc to mp3, its better to encode mpc with the insane preset, as this would be of somehelp, with the resulting mp3 quality

In addition i too had been lurking for sometime, if you participate and check the forums regularly, i beleive you would learn a lot, theres a lot still to gained from these forums, hope you find them as good as i have
Thx
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ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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I could see it as possible in compiles that are not "official" but definitely not in the main branch of the LAME CVS. That's why I called on Dibrom...he's making semi-reputible alternate compiles anyway.  I truly believe it's a good concept, though not being much of a programmer myself, I can only suggest, not implement. I believe there are probably a lot of portable music player owners who are as reluctant to change to a higher-quality format as I myself was. I made the jump myself after having tested MPC on and off for about 6 months. I don't want to go back, neither do I want to lose useability with my Rio after re-ripping my collection to MPC.

Ogg would, of course, be a better solution. Maybe when 1.0 is finalised. For now I'd prefer to stick with a tried-and-tested solution, and that happens to be MPC.

James
The sky is blue.

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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Originally posted by mpcfiend
I could see it as possible in compiles that are not "official" but definitely not in the main branch of the LAME CVS. That's why I called on Dibrom...he's making semi-reputible alternate compiles anyway.  I truly believe it's a good concept, though not being much of a programmer myself, I can only suggest, not implement. I believe there are probably a lot of portable music player owners who are as reluctant to change to a higher-quality format as I myself was. I made the jump myself after having tested MPC on and off for about 6 months. I don't want to go back, neither do I want to lose useability with my Rio after re-ripping my collection to MPC.

I'm a bit confused - you prefer MPC to MP3 because of its higher quality, yet you are willing to accept a loss in quality on your portable by switching from direct MP3 encoding to MPC->MP3 transcoding?

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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hmm, i think he may want MPC to MP3 if for some reason he doesnt have the original mp3, if he's lazy, then thats another issue,

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Dibrom...he's making semi-reputible alternate compiles anyway.


and when did dibrom make semi-reputible alternate compiles, contary to what you may have heard they were reputible complies, to legitimate issues and bugs, he has contributed a lot, even his bug fixes were made part of the official LAME,  plz in the future, take more care on such future, sentances, im not having a go, but rather insisting, please word carefully any replies

thx
Respect the past. Be humble when receiving criticism - at the same time follow your instincts and develop as your own person. Never be restrained by conventions and expectations

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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No, most of my "archival" encodes were based on high-bitrate MP3's, which are not suitable for use on a portable. I find lower-bitrate encodes are more than enough for casual listening on a portable, but I desire the higher quality for my home system. Now that I've switched to MPC - and I'm sure this is probably true for others as well - I need a way to transcode to a lower bitrate AND an appropriate format (i.e. MP3) for my Rio.

Everyone knows that transcoding MPC to MP3, while not perfect, is still much much better than going from MP3 high-bitrate to MP3 low-bitrate. Running the files through Winamp, after messing with the output plugins (who can say that they've never accidentally played a track with Disk Writer still active? ) finding the files, using RazorLame and uploading...it's a lot of effort. It would be nice to be able to just drag-n-drop into RazorLAME, let LAME handle the MPC-to-MP3 conversion and upload...a lot less messy.

How many of the rest of you hate this inconvienience, or are being held back from other more advanced codecs by the convenience of MP3's, even though you KNOW MPC sounds better? An advance like this could help migrate those who still want the convenience of MP3 for their portables, but desire the excellent fidelity of MPC. It would allow many of us to break out of the MP3 mould and move to MPC without any of the shackles otherwise present.

Anyway, I've rambled. I hope somebody can decipher what I'm trying to say.  Take care, all.

James
The sky is blue.

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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Originally posted by ami
and when did dibrom make semi-reputible alternate compiles, contary to what you may have heard they were reputible complies, to legitimate issues and bugs, he has contributed a lot, even his bug fixes were made part of the official LAME,  plz in the future, take more care on such future, sentances, im not having a go, but rather insisting, please word carefully any replies

thx


Dibrom's always been making reputable compiles. They were NEVER sanctioned by the LAME dev team, however. So from an average LAME user's point of view who does not keep up on new developments (probably a good portion of the user-base) at PM, or even that of a LAME developer's point of view, they were not exactly as reputable as, say, Mitiok's. Anyways, you missed the smiley obviously.
The sky is blue.

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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hi, sos, missed the smiley, hmm, just concerned, that a lot of  time/trouble would be wasted, if the wording, of replies didnt come out as intended
hehe, im sure ppl have got there own opinions on the "reputible complies", and since you know mine, im not gonna waste anymore time and leave it there
Respect the past. Be humble when receiving criticism - at the same time follow your instincts and develop as your own person. Never be restrained by conventions and expectations

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #10 –
Wow I did it again.  Another innocent question which spurred an involved debate among the wise.

Yay for... me?
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ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #11 –
Heh. I wouldn't jump too high; I'm not exactly wise. I'm new here.

But seriously, I would love to see one of the bigger guns reply on this issue. I think it's an idea that carries some merit.

James
The sky is blue.

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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Originally posted by Jerethi
But due to Razorlame's inability to handle ID3 tags at the moment, is there a simple program I can use to add ID3 tags properly after I've ripped with EAC, and encoded with Razorlame?

I find EAC's built-in id3 tagging to be fine for my purposes.  If you set EAC to call LAME as an external compressor, you can also set it to add id3 tags.

If you want to add tags to already-created mp3 files, many people recommend Tag&Encode2, but it's $20 so I haven't tried it myself (I think there's a free demo available, though I don't have the URL handy).  I personally use MP3CDDB Tool, which is available at http://www.medic.dk/cddbmp3tool.htm and, as the name implies, sets ID3 tags based on CDDB information (you give it a directory of mp3s and it'll do a CDDB lookup as if that were a CD).

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

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hee hee

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Wow I did it again. Another innocent question which spurred an involved debate among the wise.


ive only posted 11 times, im far from wise, and like mpcfiend says

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Heh. I wouldn't jump too high; I'm not exactly wise. I'm new here


delirium suggestion sounds good, as long as it  isnt Id3v2 tags your safe,

haha,

Ami
Respect the past. Be humble when receiving criticism - at the same time follow your instincts and develop as your own person. Never be restrained by conventions and expectations

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #14 –
To stick to the subject:
the best tagger around is helium2.

www.helium2.com



Jan.

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #15 –
Please try this one: MP3-Info Extension (www.mutschler.de)
It´s a addon for the windows explorer (right-click on a MP3 file).

There´s an extra-feature, which I like very much. In the windows Explorer you see special icons based on the bitrate for your Mp3 files. Because of this it is very easy to recognize, which files are MP3 files. I think you have to restart Windows for this after installing MP3-info extension.

Mark

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #16 –
www.renatager.de

There you find an English version and a german version. Easy to find by the national banners !

Freeware, easy to use.

mmm, the questions are already answered in "list of actual recommended lame settings" !

There are links to useful programs around mp3, eg. tagger.

And there is mentioned, that EAC by using lame as "external compressor" DOES the tagging !

So only one step for all:  ripping/encoding/tagging is needed !!!

Not 3 steps: EAC ripping, razorlame for converting=encoding, tagging by renatager or helium !!!

ID3 Tag solution for Razorlame

Reply #17 –
Only handy if you only have a few tags.

If you do the amount of tagging I do you need helium2.



Jan.