Ogg Vorbis' logo?, Isn't it supposed to be the Xiph fish? Options

[pepoluan]

Maestro DVD Player described in True Audio's hardware player pages supports Ogg Vorbis.

The latter page has an "ogg vorbis" logo (all smallcase) ... is this the latest logo? Or just Neuston's rendition?


It looks nice, though... more easily understandable. (What's a fish got to do with vorbis? heh )

Edit: Inserted the logo, above

This post has been edited by pepoluan: May 24 2006, 19:51

[smok3]

afaik fish is is xiph.org logo and vorbis doesnt have one, so they probably grabed that one from older vorbis site.

[Andavari]

Also electronic device companies like to logo the formats they support. I suppose that makes it look more official versus some plain text looking rendition.

[atici]

I remember some silly Xiph logo from a long time ago with some guy, a snake and an anvil/hammer (or sth. like that). Isn't that the real Vorbis logo?

Edit: Apparently I was right. Found it from google images and pasted below...


This post has been edited by atici: Mar 14 2006, 04:32

[iwod]

Oh please i rather have some non fancy small font logo then that ugly fish......

[pepoluan]

Ugly? That fish is cute

No, seriously, I support iwod in the sense that I would like a logo that clearly, unambigously, shows that a device/program/thingamajig supports Ogg Vorbis.

Any HA-ers here up to the challenge?

[HotshotGG]

Maestro DVD Player described in True Audio's hardware player pages supports Ogg Vorbis.

The latter page has an "ogg vorbis" logo (all smallcase) ... is this the latest logo? Or just Neuston's rendition?

It looks nice, though... more easily understandable. (What's a fish got to do with vorbis? heh )

a Xiphophorus is a blowfish if my memory serves me correctly, hence xiph.org or the company name.

I remember some silly Xiph logo from a long time ago with some guy, a snake and an anvil/hammer (or sth. like that). Isn't that the real Vorbis logo?

I forget what story that's from. Vorbis is the name of high-god in one Terry Pratchet's novels. Pratchett is sci fic writer, one that I am guessing Monty enjoys very much. I haven't read any of his stuff, although I heard it's really good. Before there was Vorbis their was Squish, which was suppose to be a lossless codec. I am sure the binary is still around somewhere, but compared to FLAC today it's not up to par. I like the fish a lot, it's classic.

This post has been edited by HotshotGG: Apr 23 2006, 18:13

[Lys]

It was from Small Gods, he wasn't a god, he was the head inquisitor of a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Discwor...aracters#Vorbis

This post has been edited by Lys: Apr 24 2006, 17:03

[rockcake]

Hello all,
most of what you're all talking about is spelt out in this page: www.xiph.org/xiphname . It may also be in a wiki or two, but I haven't looked to be honest - I just went to the source (no pun intended!).
In brief, the fish in the logos is a very stylised version of a "swordtail" (have a look at a real one or a photo and you'll instantly know what I mean ). I also noticed the old heavy-black-lines fishes changed to new no-black-lines ones about 6-12 months ago when they changed the look of their website. (IMHO, the old black-lines version looked cuter than the current no-lines one - more of a "fish in the headlights" look .) Also, in the new versions the one-fish is for Ogg, and the four-fishes is for Vorbis; IIRC in the old versions a yellow-and-cyan fish was Ogg and a orange-and-blue was Vorbis (now they're all orange-and-blue, just different sizes).
The "dude hammering a snake" thing (based on a Scandinavian myth, see the website for more) seems to be more OggSquish than Vorbis, but as the picture atici found in a previous post shows, it has been used (mistakenly?) for Vorbis in the past too.
Hope this helps and/or is of interest to someone.
rc

PS it doesn't seem to have hurt mp3's case to not have a widely-recognised logo either!

This post has been edited by rockcake: May 2 2006, 06:14

[jarsonic]

I kind of like Xiph's many fish logo, seen here:

[VEG]

[Andavari]

If I saw that "ugly" "cute" Ogg Vorbis logo on a device in a store I'd probably shout out loud holy s**t, then do a back flip (that would be a miracle) out of joy and surprise, and then tell the sales clerk I'll buy it.

@ VEG
Did you make that new logo? I like it!

[pepoluan]

So. Can we adopt that logo? Unofficial and unauthorized it may be?

[jarsonic]

So. Can we adopt that logo? Unofficial and unauthorized it may be?

I don't think you can really do that. Not like that.

[Emanuel]

I remember some silly Xiph logo from a long time ago with some guy, a snake and an anvil/hammer (or sth. like that). Isn't that the real Vorbis logo?

Edit: Apparently I was right. Found it from google images and pasted below...

If anyone wants to continue the work on this logo, I actually have this one in Illustrator format. From Xiph back in (I think) 2001 when I wrote an article about Vorbis. That's when they started the development.

[pepoluan]

Someone proposed this logoset (PDF).

[Remedial Sound]

I remember some silly Xiph logo from a long time ago with some guy, a snake and an anvil/hammer (or sth. like that). Isn't that the real Vorbis logo?

Edit: Apparently I was right. Found it from google images and pasted below...

If anyone wants to continue the work on this logo, I actually have this one in Illustrator format. From Xiph back in (I think) 2001 when I wrote an article about Vorbis. That's when they started the development.

I remember seeing this logo from back in the good ol' days when Winamp 2.X was my audio player of choice (2001/02?), though if I recall correctly the "dude w/ hammer & snake" was a generic logo from the Winamp website (given to input plugins that didn't have their own logo). As .ogg wasn't supported natively by Winamp at that time, people downloading the input plugin may have come to assciate this logo with Vorbis.

Wish there was some way I could substantiate this, the Winamp site has gone through several facelifts and unfortunately my time machine is in the shop.

If it's worth anything I kinda like the "dude w/ hammer & snake." I imagine that the snake is audio and the guy is compressing it.

[Omion]

I remember seeing this logo from back in the good ol' days when Winamp 2.X was my audio player of choice (2001/02?), though if I recall correctly the "dude w/ hammer & snake" was a generic logo from the Winamp website (given to input plugins that didn't have their own logo). As .ogg wasn't supported natively by Winamp at that time, people downloading the input plugin may have come to assciate this logo with Vorbis.

Well, the Xiph web page makes it sound like it was made by them for Ogg Squish (the precursor to Vorbis) According to this page from the Xiph website:

The 'Thor-and-the-Snake' logo is drawn somewhat from Norse mythology; the real symbolism is the sine-curve shape of the snake. Thor is hefting Mjollnir about to compress the periodic signal Jörmungandr... See, it all makes sense.

[rjamorim]

A good logo for an audio format should be monochromatic and devoid of too much detail.

That guarantees it'll look good silk-screened or in bas-relief printed/etched in smallish sizes (less than 1cm wide) at whatever piece of hardware. It will also look good on product manuals (that are pretty much always monochromatic).

I had that very much in mind when designing WavPack's logo. I kept looking at my PlayStation 2 and wondering if whatever I was working on would look nice next to the beautifully engraved logos at the top of the unit - DVD, Dolby, DTS, CD...

This post has been edited by rjamorim: May 24 2006, 01:23

[pepoluan]

Well then the above logoset fits the requirement. To save time, here's the logoset I insert:


It's black and white but personally, I dislike the stars it's sooo... circus-like.

Yech.

But I hope this can be a starting platform to develop an ideal Ogg Vorbis logo.

BTW, to correct HotShotGG: Xiphophorus is swordfish.

This post has been edited by pepoluan: May 24 2006, 03:57

[rjamorim]

It's black and white but personally, I dislike the stars it's sooo... circus-like.

It's horrid.

But I hope this can be a starting platform to develop an ideal Ogg Vorbis logo.

Do you guys even have any idea if Xiph is interested? I believe it is at least unpolite to go taking such initiatives without even asking the creator of the format about it. And what if they just say "thanks for the effort, it's a nice logo, but we like the current one so it'll stay"?

[pepoluan]

Ah yes forgive me. That was just a seed of thought. I don't design any of them, just posted interesting logo's here.

But anyways, I keep coming across strange logo's all over the Internet. Like this logo for Ogg Speex:


I like the "Ogg" positioning

[Emanuel]

I remember some silly Xiph logo from a long time ago with some guy, a snake and an anvil/hammer (or sth. like that). Isn't that the real Vorbis logo?

Edit: Apparently I was right. Found it from google images and pasted below...

If anyone wants to continue the work on this logo, I actually have this one in Illustrator format. From Xiph back in (I think) 2001 when I wrote an article about Vorbis. That's when they started the development.

I remember seeing this logo from back in the good ol' days when Winamp 2.X was my audio player of choice (2001/02?), though if I recall correctly the "dude w/ hammer & snake" was a generic logo from the Winamp website (given to input plugins that didn't have their own logo). As .ogg wasn't supported natively by Winamp at that time, people downloading the input plugin may have come to assciate this logo with Vorbis.
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No. I got this logo in Illustrator format from Xiph (Xiphophorus) before there even was a Winamp plugin.

[Saoshyant]

I have a degree as a Designer. While that might not mean I would be the best man to do a proper logo, I'd like to take the challenge.

I should probably post the question at the Vorbis mailing list first, if the Xiph guys want a new logo, or not.

P.S: I liked VEG's redition, but personally I'd go for a monochromatic thing, probably.

[pepoluan]

I should probably post the question at the Vorbis mailing list first, if the Xiph guys want a new logo, or not.

Yes, please do. And keep us informed!