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Which is the most popular CD ripper ?
Digmen1
post Dec 11 2013, 07:57
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Been out of touch for few years.

Which is the most popular CD ripper/extractor these days ?

I used to use
Cdex and Exact Audio.

Are they still the best , most popular ?

I note that Cdex has not been updated for a few years.

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post Dec 11 2013, 07:59
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Who cares which one is the most popular. I use foobar2000 (and sometimes CUERipper) for everything. http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...omparison_chart

To reply to your question, the most popular probably are EAC, dBpoweramp and EZ CD Audio Converter (I haven't been around on this forum long enough to understand why people hate and never talk about this one).

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post Dec 11 2013, 09:38
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I use dbPoweramp for pretty much everything ripping/conversion related.
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post Dec 11 2013, 10:03
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I mainly use EAC & CUETools.
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marc2003
post Dec 11 2013, 10:12
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i'd like to use cueripper but it doesn't like my optical drive. so i use foobar2000 and then verify it with cuetools. i like the accuraterip/CTDB verification log it creates.
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post Dec 11 2013, 11:20
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QUOTE (Digmen1 @ Dec 11 2013, 07:57) *
Which is the most popular CD ripper/extractor these days ?


I guess it also depends on what environment you are on (windows, mac, linux...). I am a linux user, and prefer morituri, but rubyripper seems popular too.
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post Dec 11 2013, 11:27
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Wouldn't Windows Media Player and iTunes be the most "popular" CD rippers?


I guess you meant most popular here. Seems to be EAC and dBpowerAMP. You could start a poll.

The problem with popularity is that once a group of people find something that's good enough (or that has some initially uniquely useful features), they tend to stick with it and recommend it to others - and the collective experience and knowledge in that group enhances its usefulness to members. Meanwhile, there could be something equally as good (or even better) our there which few people in that group are using.

Sometimes it's good to think "that might have been the best solution 5 years ago, but what else is out there today?" - which is exactly what you're doing. smile.gif

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post Dec 11 2013, 11:37
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iTunes and WMP are likely the most popular.

As to the most popular secure ripper for Mac these days, I'd wager to guess it's XLD. For Windows I'd be surprised if it wasn't EAC.

Like many things in life it is really hard to say what is best. There are too many factors involved as well as metrics that differ from person to person. For Windows, dBpoweramp, EAC, CUERipper and foobar2000 are all fine rippers with secure algorithms and support for AccurateRip lookup. With CUETools, a lot of discs can be verified against AR regardless of the ripping program. With a little ingenuity, discs with a 0th track pregap can be checked as well.

CTDB has to be greatest new feature to come along since AR, which is available for CUERipper and EAC. I'm sure someone will say if other programs support it besides those two.

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post Dec 11 2013, 16:05
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QUOTE (eahm @ Dec 11 2013, 07:59) *
and EZ CD Audio Converter (I haven't been around on this forum long enough to understand why people hate and never talk about this one).

I don't hate it smile.gif
I love it and use it.
Recently I use also dbPower, but EZ CD audio is, for me, better.
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post Dec 11 2013, 18:22
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QUOTE (eahm @ Dec 11 2013, 01:59) *
and EZ CD Audio Converter (I haven't been around on this forum long enough to understand why people hate and never talk about this one).

Perhaps this is what started it.
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post Dec 11 2013, 21:54
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Accuraterip.com no longer publicizes what went on, enough time has passed for it to be dropped, who knows he might have improved his ways now. In the above linked thread Mr Poiko says we did this to promote our own software, however at the time our action was prompted to protect CDEX and EAC, that is why you will not see EZ CD allowed to access Accuraterip.


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post Dec 11 2013, 22:35
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Well, with regard to reliability, in my humble opinion: Exact Audio Copy, CueRipper and Foobar2000.
There was never any problems with them.


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post Dec 12 2013, 02:44
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QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 11 2013, 07:37) *
I'm sure someone will say if other programs support it besides those two.

In that -quite off topic- regard, and politely asking, is there any foobar2000 component for the CTDB or any plans to craft one?

And on topic, I agree with most suggestions here. EAC, dbpowerAMP, CUERipper and foobar. I made some decent lossy rips with iTunes as well, but being able to verify what you rip is of course quite desirable for peace of mind.

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post Dec 12 2013, 13:17
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Recently I see new CDs more likely having a ctdb entry than an AR one, so I'd say the most popular secure rippers atm are cueripper and eac. Is there a ctdb plugin for any other program?
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post Dec 12 2013, 15:31
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It can take up to 4 week for a new released CD to appear in AccurateRip, but this has nothing to do with popularity.

As all the main secure rippers access Accuraterip.com, it is possible to see which programs are looking up, over the last 6 months here is the disc lookup count:

EAC 9,820,918
dBpoweramp 8,740,919
Cuetools 2,757,404 (not specifically identified as a program, but stands out as unidentified, but other applications could be in this one also)
PerfectTunes 1,726,017 (not a ripper, but an AccurateRip checker)
XLD 960,000
Foobar2K 350,000

Total CD lookups for the 6 months was 30M CDs, or 5 million a month.

I would guess CDEx is ripping around 10M discs in that period

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post Dec 12 2013, 15:35
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So CDEX is on par with EAC in your estimation? Why are there no actual figures for this program?


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post Dec 12 2013, 15:43
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CDEX does not access AccurateRip, it is a pure guess based on popularity based on old freedb lookup stats, here is current Freedb stats:

http://www.freedb.org/en/statistics__client_requests.15.html

(one weeks worth)

ExactAudioCopy 209048
dBpowerAMP 192469
cdex 121596
CDDARipperXP 121302
Switch 96418
mzin_cddb 89846
foo_freedb2 89278
ALSONG_CDDB_DLL 84486
audiograbber 81274
Nero 81104
FreeRIP 75857
libcddb 73237
Mp3tag 63192
MfcCDDB 62930
libkcddb 55232
ExpressRip 52664
MediaMonkey 47612
ttplayer 41165

CDEx has dropped in popularity in the recent years.

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post Dec 12 2013, 16:00
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I didn't initially think CDEx used AR but your comment about EZCDAC raised doubts. Last time I looked at CDEx, maybe 8-10 years ago, I wasn't impressed. I don't recall reading anything about active development of the program in around that same amount of time.

So you think it's 10 million and not something significantly less, say in the thousands?

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post Dec 12 2013, 16:08
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Given the new freedb stats it will be just over half EAC, so 5 to 6M CDs


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Right. Thanks. I missed that earlier.


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post Dec 12 2013, 19:24
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QUOTE (spoon @ Dec 12 2013, 15:31) *
It can take up to 4 week for a new released CD to appear in AccurateRip, but this has nothing to do with popularity.
Why is that? Also, most of those discs that appeared on CTDB first, stay AR-less when I go and check the files with CUETools.
Could it be it doesn't show up because it doesn't handle ARv2? Or does it?
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post Dec 12 2013, 20:07
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QUOTE (ChronoSphere @ Dec 12 2013, 18:24) *
Also, most of those discs that appeared on CTDB first, stay AR-less when I go and check the files with CUETools.


i must admit i thought CTDB wouldn't accept submissions without a positive AR match but i was please to discover you can get results right away with a new CD. obviously the people submitting the first couple of results won't get that. tongue.gif

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Could it be it doesn't show up because it doesn't handle ARv2? Or does it?


cuetools 2.14/2.15 supports ARv2.

http://cuetools.net/wiki/CUETools_log#AccurateRip_Section

cuetools won't show the AR results until the AR database has been updated.

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QUOTE (marc2003 @ Dec 12 2013, 20:07) *
i must admit i thought CTDB wouldn't accept submissions without a positive AR match but i was please to discover you can get results right away with a new CD. obviously the people submitting the first couple of results won't get that. tongue.gif
Only CUETools needs an AR entry to submit a CTDB entry, that's because otherwise you could just modify your files and send a "new" entry to the DB. CUERipper automatically submits your rip without caring about AR from what I saw.
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post Dec 12 2013, 20:25
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ARv2 look-up has been available since v2.1.2.

I doubt AR verification is necessary when submiting to CTDB when using the CTDB plugin with EAC. I am certain CUERipper submits without AR verification. AFAICT, it is only CUETools that cares about existing entries in AR; and for all I know this requirement could have been dropped, though I didn't see anything suggesting this in the changelog.

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QUOTE (ChronoSphere @ Dec 12 2013, 10:24) *
Could it be it doesn't show up because it doesn't handle ARv2? Or does it?
What is the "it" that I put in bold above?

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post Dec 13 2013, 00:42
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QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 12 2013, 19:25) *
ARv2 look-up has been available since v2.1.2.


oops, my mistake. it's just the new log format that came in with 2.1.4.
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