Soundcard digital pathways?, If you skip the DAC are they 'perfect'? |
Soundcard digital pathways?, If you skip the DAC are they 'perfect'? |
Jul 28 2003, 13:27
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I was wondering,
If you use a soundcard's digital out and tell it not to equalize/eax/otherprocessing, is the digital quality 'perfect'? Case in point I have a professional DSP hooked up to my SB audigy's digital out. If I were to upgrade the audigy (not that I have the $$$ but for argument's sake Basically I hear some 'stories' from people that say 'yes' to the last question but I find it hard to believe that the digital ".wav" data from winamp would get distorted by the sound card that's hooked up to it. provided of course I don't use the onboard DAC's or some hardware DSP feature like resampling or spatialisation crap, but Im telling my computer to have all EQ's off and just play back the file. Anyone know the answer here? |
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Oct 8 2006, 16:29
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Then what happens if you have a bit-perfect stream which uses the full range and another stream starts to play at the same time? Just checked - My X-fi/Windows seems to be stuck at 44Khz no matter what I play now in "Bit-matched Playback"-mode (Which is that is not compatible with what odyssey said.) I put the sig up at easter and haven't got round to changing it. I did not say that you can play multiple streams with different sample rates at the same time, I said (like I'm having some trouble with now) that Bitmatched Playback does not disallow other streams like DTS/DD etc to be sent to external reciever. -------------------- Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P
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Oct 9 2006, 00:26
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Just checked - My X-fi/Windows seems to be stuck at 44Khz no matter what I play now in "Bit-matched Playback"-mode Yeah, mine screws up a lot when I actually, you know.. use it. Usually a reboot fixes it. I did not say that you can play multiple streams with different sample rates at the same time, I said (like I'm having some trouble with now) that Bitmatched Playback does not disallow other streams like DTS/DD etc to be sent to external reciever. I'm pretty sure I can't output an ac3/DD/DTS stream and a pcm stream at the same time. And what are these 'other' streams any way? The whole point of bitmatching is to get a bit identicle output, why would it disallow DD/DTS? I needed bit matched playback to play DTS CDs.. You're very confusing... |
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Oct 9 2006, 14:26
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 2296 Joined: 18-May 03 From: Denmark Member No.: 6695 |
I'm pretty sure I can't output an ac3/DD/DTS stream and a pcm stream at the same time. And what are these 'other' streams any way? The whole point of bitmatching is to get a bit identicle output, why would it disallow DD/DTS? I needed bit matched playback to play DTS CDs.. You're very confusing... Umm maybe, but without Bitmatched playback, DD/DTS are still sent to the reciever - One could wonder, why it would not be bit-identical without that setting then. Actually by "other streams" I meant streams with different sample rate, but while the stream does not break apart when playing content with different samplerates in Bit-matched playback, it makes the feature quite untrusty. I'm on deep water now -------------------- Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P
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puntloos Soundcard digital pathways? Jul 28 2003, 13:27
AstralStorm Digital should be, well, bit identical.
But..,
Som... Jul 28 2003, 13:36
jrbamford then there is the kmixer and other filters that wi... Jul 28 2003, 14:02
Pio2001 It's very difficult to get a perfect digital p... Jul 28 2003, 21:04
Patsoe QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jul 28 2003, 09:04 PM)It... Jul 28 2003, 21:23
puntloos QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jul 28 2003, 12:04 PM)It... Jul 28 2003, 22:48
jrbamford apparently somewhere on avsforum there is a techni... Jul 28 2003, 22:55
AstralStorm Bypassing kmixer is possible with DirectSound.
The... Jul 28 2003, 23:06
Patsoe @jrbamford: I was re-reading the link I provided, ... Jul 28 2003, 23:40
puntloos
Indeed. I noticed that too.
Im already registrin... Jul 28 2003, 23:58
jrbamford puntloos.. if you can afford possible reinstall i... Jul 29 2003, 00:09
AstralStorm Sorry, even setting latency to 512samples/sec (max... Jul 29 2003, 03:32
puntloos It would be cool if you could switch between the t... Jul 29 2003, 03:37
dgover2 QUOTE Bypassing kmixer is possible with DirectSoun... Jul 29 2003, 04:57
Halcyon Let me try and summarise (please correct if I... Jul 29 2003, 07:55
KikeG Waveout is bit-perfect on Win9X, given that the mi... Jul 29 2003, 08:58
puntloos Bump!
(hah.. 3 year old topic..)
Guys, Im S... Aug 7 2006, 13:46
probedb QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 13:46) Wha... Aug 7 2006, 15:26
CSMR What are you doing with Quad speakers and an Audig... Aug 7 2006, 14:45
odyssey QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 14:46) add:... Aug 7 2006, 15:06
Axon BTW, I have an RME DIGI96/8 PAD, and I can attest ... Aug 7 2006, 15:28
puntloos QUOTE (odyssey @ Aug 7 2006, 06:06) Am I ... Aug 7 2006, 15:45
puntloos Plus oh yeah the terratec DMX6fire isn't being... Aug 7 2006, 15:56
puntloos krt. leave it to creative to be extra-super-fuzzy ... Aug 7 2006, 18:25
Night Rain Never mind. Didn't see the post above. Aug 8 2006, 12:59
CSMR I think all so-called professional or semi-profess... Aug 7 2006, 15:48
probedb Did everyone just ignore me? I mentioned a $2... Aug 7 2006, 16:06
puntloos QUOTE (probedb @ Aug 7 2006, 07:06) Did e... Aug 7 2006, 16:15
odyssey QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 16:45) QUOT... Aug 7 2006, 16:34
puntloos QUOTE (odyssey @ Aug 7 2006, 07:34) QUOTE... Aug 7 2006, 17:38
Rotareneg Creative X-Fi cards let you select the master cloc... Aug 7 2006, 17:43
puntloos QUOTE (Rotareneg @ Aug 7 2006, 08:43) Cre... Aug 7 2006, 18:13
HotshotGG QUOTE Now all I need to do is find out 'for su... Aug 7 2006, 18:42
puntloos QUOTE (HotshotGG @ Aug 7 2006, 09:42) QUO... Aug 7 2006, 18:55
CSMR QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 06:56) Well... Aug 7 2006, 19:04
puntloos QUOTE (CSMR @ Aug 7 2006, 10:04) QUOTE I ... Aug 7 2006, 22:30
master QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 13:30) Sadl... Aug 15 2006, 23:09
puntloos QUOTE (master @ Aug 15 2006, 14:09) If my... Aug 21 2006, 15:39
Patsoe Actually, I think there is officially no such thin... Aug 7 2006, 23:16
puntloos QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 7 2006, 14:16) Actual... Aug 8 2006, 00:25
odyssey QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 19:25) For ... Aug 8 2006, 11:36
jvs @puntloos:
Why don't you buy an ESI Juli@? Thi... Aug 14 2006, 23:20
Sebastian Mares I am somewhat confused now - Pio said that Hercule... Aug 15 2006, 23:49
Patsoe QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Aug 15 2006, 23... Aug 16 2006, 00:04
Sebastian Mares Ah, right. Didn't they use Cirrus Logic back t... Aug 16 2006, 00:23
odyssey QUOTE (Rotareneg @ Aug 7 2006, 18:43) Cre... Aug 22 2006, 21:32
puntloos Well I've bought the M-Audio Revolution 5.1.
... Aug 23 2006, 10:33
2Bdecided You know all this bitperfect stuff?
While I agree... Aug 23 2006, 11:14
puntloos I have to make one admission here.. my DAC is the ... Aug 23 2006, 11:33
cabbagerat QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 23 2006, 02:14) If... Aug 23 2006, 13:10
2Bdecided QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Aug 23 2006, 13:10) O... Aug 23 2006, 13:49
puntloos QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 23 2006, 04:49) QU... Aug 23 2006, 16:46

Patsoe QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 23 2006, 16:46) ...... Aug 23 2006, 17:03

puntloos QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 23 2006, 08:03) QUOTE... Aug 23 2006, 17:21
puntloos QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 23 2006, 04:49) If... Aug 23 2006, 18:16
Patsoe QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 23 2006, 18:16) Her... Aug 23 2006, 18:32
puntloos QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 23 2006, 09:32) QUOTE... Aug 23 2006, 19:22
2Bdecided QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 23 2006, 19:22) QUO... Aug 24 2006, 13:42
odyssey QUOTE (odyssey @ Aug 22 2006, 22:32) QUOT... Aug 31 2006, 21:14
coburn_c On my X-fi, in "audio creation mode" it ... Oct 6 2006, 02:29
odyssey QUOTE (coburn_c @ Oct 6 2006, 03:29) On m... Oct 6 2006, 09:13
coburn_c QUOTE (odyssey @ Oct 6 2006, 03:13) QUOTE... Oct 6 2006, 14:55
CSMR You will not get bit perfect playback unless there... Oct 7 2006, 03:03
odyssey QUOTE (coburn_c @ Oct 6 2006, 15:55) QUOT... Oct 7 2006, 12:50
CSMR What you have just said would imply that bitmatche... Oct 7 2006, 15:51
odyssey QUOTE (CSMR @ Oct 7 2006, 16:51) What you... Oct 7 2006, 16:18
CSMR Then what happens if you have a bit-perfect stream... Oct 7 2006, 17:44
coburn_c QUOTE (CSMR @ Oct 7 2006, 11:44) Then wha... Oct 7 2006, 18:32
CSMR (Which is that is not compatible with what odyssey... Oct 8 2006, 01:58
coburn_c What about this card? Oct 10 2006, 04:38
Marvin77 Hmm, interesting.
I found this review
http://ww... Oct 10 2006, 18:46
coburn_c That review was kind of crappy.. but those cpu uti... Oct 10 2006, 22:57
MartinO2 I just wonder, what kind of resampling method is ... May 2 2007, 11:52
eevan QUOTE (MartinO2 @ May 2 2007, 12:52) I ju... May 2 2007, 13:05
IndieRockSteve So is it possible to tell if a soundcard is borkin... May 22 2007, 15:03![]() ![]() |
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