Soundcard digital pathways?, If you skip the DAC are they 'perfect'? |
Soundcard digital pathways?, If you skip the DAC are they 'perfect'? |
Jul 28 2003, 13:27
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Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 20-July 03 Member No.: 7881 |
I was wondering,
If you use a soundcard's digital out and tell it not to equalize/eax/otherprocessing, is the digital quality 'perfect'? Case in point I have a professional DSP hooked up to my SB audigy's digital out. If I were to upgrade the audigy (not that I have the $$$ but for argument's sake Basically I hear some 'stories' from people that say 'yes' to the last question but I find it hard to believe that the digital ".wav" data from winamp would get distorted by the sound card that's hooked up to it. provided of course I don't use the onboard DAC's or some hardware DSP feature like resampling or spatialisation crap, but Im telling my computer to have all EQ's off and just play back the file. Anyone know the answer here? |
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May 2 2007, 11:52
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Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 2-May 07 Member No.: 43117 |
I just wonder, what kind of resampling method is used in SB cards. It is a system like DAC -> ADC, so the digital audio signal is analogized and then sampled wiht desired sampling frequency or it is system based on interpolation of input signal? I wasnt able to find this information anywhere and I really need it for my project..
Thank for any help or reference... |
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May 2 2007, 13:05
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 9-April 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia Member No.: 42357 |
I just wonder, what kind of resampling method is used in SB cards. It is a system like DAC -> ADC, so the digital audio signal is analogized and then sampled wiht desired sampling frequency or it is system based on interpolation of input signal? I wasnt able to find this information anywhere and I really need it for my project.. Thank for any help or reference... I think it's an interpolation method. Here's the part of kX driver's Techical Guide to Playback and Recording QUOTE DSP Resampling Hope this helps.
It is widely known that 10k1 and 10k2-based audio cards perform audio resampling even when the incoming audio signal is 16/48. This happens due to not-so-perfect implementation of the SRC algorithms in hardware. For Audigy and Audigy2 cards (and, probably, for 10k1-based cards with chip revision >= 7 as well) the 'modified' 16/48 audio stream can be restored by using 'b2b' or 'FXBusX' plugins in the kX DSP. The nature of the SRC bug causes all the audio data to contain partially-wrong 16th bit, thus giving you '15.5-bit playback' (and not '16bit'). The known solutions (the DSP plugins mentioned above) restore the 16th bit of the audio data, but only for the original 16/48 content. That is, if the incoming signal is not 16/48, but is, say, performed at 44100, 22050 or any other frequency, the 'b2b' and 'FXBusX' plugins, obviously, won't "correct" it, but will change the signal a little bit. That's why this correction is not turned on by the kX Audio Driver by default. What is the difference between using b2b and FXBusX?(advanced topic) The main difference is that FXBusX not only restores the 16th bit, but also performs sound truncation to 24 bits (optionally obtaining the least 8 bits from FXBus2 sources, if available), while the 'b2b' plugin restores the 16th bit only. From the user point of view this causes the following problem: if the truncated audio data generated by the FXBusX plugin is passed thru the Routing and Epilog plugins, it is automatically restored to '15.5bit' state (due to mathematical conversion), while the 24-bit audio data is not. So, when using FXBusX for bit-to-bit 16/48 playback, it is preferred to avoid adding any volume controls and route the output directly to the epiloglt (lite version!). The 'B2B' doesn't truncate the audio data and can be easily inserted between, say, FXBus 0,1 and the Routing. The output signal (for instance, of the SPDIF outputs) might get truncated / rounded by hardware. This option is card-dependent (certain cards perform that, while the others don't). That's why it is recommended to check bit-to-bit playback and the particular B2B/FXBusX chain before using it (for instance, by trying the 'Direct SPDIF Recording' method and a SPDIF loopback cable). -------------------- If age or weaknes doe prohibyte bloudletting you must use boxing
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puntloos Soundcard digital pathways? Jul 28 2003, 13:27
AstralStorm Digital should be, well, bit identical.
But..,
Som... Jul 28 2003, 13:36
jrbamford then there is the kmixer and other filters that wi... Jul 28 2003, 14:02
Pio2001 It's very difficult to get a perfect digital p... Jul 28 2003, 21:04
Patsoe QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jul 28 2003, 09:04 PM)It... Jul 28 2003, 21:23
puntloos QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jul 28 2003, 12:04 PM)It... Jul 28 2003, 22:48
jrbamford apparently somewhere on avsforum there is a techni... Jul 28 2003, 22:55
AstralStorm Bypassing kmixer is possible with DirectSound.
The... Jul 28 2003, 23:06
Patsoe @jrbamford: I was re-reading the link I provided, ... Jul 28 2003, 23:40
puntloos
Indeed. I noticed that too.
Im already registrin... Jul 28 2003, 23:58
jrbamford puntloos.. if you can afford possible reinstall i... Jul 29 2003, 00:09
AstralStorm Sorry, even setting latency to 512samples/sec (max... Jul 29 2003, 03:32
puntloos It would be cool if you could switch between the t... Jul 29 2003, 03:37
dgover2 QUOTE Bypassing kmixer is possible with DirectSoun... Jul 29 2003, 04:57
Halcyon Let me try and summarise (please correct if I... Jul 29 2003, 07:55
KikeG Waveout is bit-perfect on Win9X, given that the mi... Jul 29 2003, 08:58
puntloos Bump!
(hah.. 3 year old topic..)
Guys, Im S... Aug 7 2006, 13:46
probedb QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 13:46) Wha... Aug 7 2006, 15:26
CSMR What are you doing with Quad speakers and an Audig... Aug 7 2006, 14:45
odyssey QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 14:46) add:... Aug 7 2006, 15:06
Axon BTW, I have an RME DIGI96/8 PAD, and I can attest ... Aug 7 2006, 15:28
puntloos QUOTE (odyssey @ Aug 7 2006, 06:06) Am I ... Aug 7 2006, 15:45
puntloos Plus oh yeah the terratec DMX6fire isn't being... Aug 7 2006, 15:56
puntloos krt. leave it to creative to be extra-super-fuzzy ... Aug 7 2006, 18:25
Night Rain Never mind. Didn't see the post above. Aug 8 2006, 12:59
CSMR I think all so-called professional or semi-profess... Aug 7 2006, 15:48
probedb Did everyone just ignore me? I mentioned a $2... Aug 7 2006, 16:06
puntloos QUOTE (probedb @ Aug 7 2006, 07:06) Did e... Aug 7 2006, 16:15
odyssey QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 16:45) QUOT... Aug 7 2006, 16:34
puntloos QUOTE (odyssey @ Aug 7 2006, 07:34) QUOTE... Aug 7 2006, 17:38
Rotareneg Creative X-Fi cards let you select the master cloc... Aug 7 2006, 17:43
puntloos QUOTE (Rotareneg @ Aug 7 2006, 08:43) Cre... Aug 7 2006, 18:13
HotshotGG QUOTE Now all I need to do is find out 'for su... Aug 7 2006, 18:42
puntloos QUOTE (HotshotGG @ Aug 7 2006, 09:42) QUO... Aug 7 2006, 18:55
CSMR QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 06:56) Well... Aug 7 2006, 19:04
puntloos QUOTE (CSMR @ Aug 7 2006, 10:04) QUOTE I ... Aug 7 2006, 22:30
master QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 13:30) Sadl... Aug 15 2006, 23:09
puntloos QUOTE (master @ Aug 15 2006, 14:09) If my... Aug 21 2006, 15:39
Patsoe Actually, I think there is officially no such thin... Aug 7 2006, 23:16
puntloos QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 7 2006, 14:16) Actual... Aug 8 2006, 00:25
odyssey QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 7 2006, 19:25) For ... Aug 8 2006, 11:36
jvs @puntloos:
Why don't you buy an ESI Juli@? Thi... Aug 14 2006, 23:20
Sebastian Mares I am somewhat confused now - Pio said that Hercule... Aug 15 2006, 23:49
Patsoe QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Aug 15 2006, 23... Aug 16 2006, 00:04
Sebastian Mares Ah, right. Didn't they use Cirrus Logic back t... Aug 16 2006, 00:23
odyssey QUOTE (Rotareneg @ Aug 7 2006, 18:43) Cre... Aug 22 2006, 21:32
puntloos Well I've bought the M-Audio Revolution 5.1.
... Aug 23 2006, 10:33
2Bdecided You know all this bitperfect stuff?
While I agree... Aug 23 2006, 11:14
puntloos I have to make one admission here.. my DAC is the ... Aug 23 2006, 11:33
cabbagerat QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 23 2006, 02:14) If... Aug 23 2006, 13:10
2Bdecided QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Aug 23 2006, 13:10) O... Aug 23 2006, 13:49
puntloos QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 23 2006, 04:49) QU... Aug 23 2006, 16:46

Patsoe QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 23 2006, 16:46) ...... Aug 23 2006, 17:03

puntloos QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 23 2006, 08:03) QUOTE... Aug 23 2006, 17:21
puntloos QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 23 2006, 04:49) If... Aug 23 2006, 18:16
Patsoe QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 23 2006, 18:16) Her... Aug 23 2006, 18:32
puntloos QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 23 2006, 09:32) QUOTE... Aug 23 2006, 19:22
2Bdecided QUOTE (puntloos @ Aug 23 2006, 19:22) QUO... Aug 24 2006, 13:42
odyssey QUOTE (odyssey @ Aug 22 2006, 22:32) QUOT... Aug 31 2006, 21:14
coburn_c On my X-fi, in "audio creation mode" it ... Oct 6 2006, 02:29
odyssey QUOTE (coburn_c @ Oct 6 2006, 03:29) On m... Oct 6 2006, 09:13
coburn_c QUOTE (odyssey @ Oct 6 2006, 03:13) QUOTE... Oct 6 2006, 14:55
CSMR You will not get bit perfect playback unless there... Oct 7 2006, 03:03
odyssey QUOTE (coburn_c @ Oct 6 2006, 15:55) QUOT... Oct 7 2006, 12:50
CSMR What you have just said would imply that bitmatche... Oct 7 2006, 15:51
odyssey QUOTE (CSMR @ Oct 7 2006, 16:51) What you... Oct 7 2006, 16:18
CSMR Then what happens if you have a bit-perfect stream... Oct 7 2006, 17:44
coburn_c QUOTE (CSMR @ Oct 7 2006, 11:44) Then wha... Oct 7 2006, 18:32
CSMR (Which is that is not compatible with what odyssey... Oct 8 2006, 01:58
odyssey QUOTE (CSMR @ Oct 7 2006, 18:44) Then wha... Oct 8 2006, 16:29
coburn_c QUOTE (odyssey @ Oct 8 2006, 10:29) Just ... Oct 9 2006, 00:26
odyssey QUOTE (coburn_c @ Oct 9 2006, 01:26) I... Oct 9 2006, 14:26
coburn_c What about this card? Oct 10 2006, 04:38
Marvin77 Hmm, interesting.
I found this review
http://ww... Oct 10 2006, 18:46
coburn_c That review was kind of crappy.. but those cpu uti... Oct 10 2006, 22:57
IndieRockSteve So is it possible to tell if a soundcard is borkin... May 22 2007, 15:03![]() ![]() |
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