Pre-Test thread, for the 64kbps test |
Pre-Test thread, for the 64kbps test |
Aug 22 2003, 07:52
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Hello.
As most of you already know, I am planning to start a 64kbps public listening test in September. So here are the planned details. Nothing is definitive so far: The test starts at September 3rd and ends at September 14th The codecs that will be tested are: - Ahead HE-AAC "Streaming :: Medium" VBR profile, high quality. - Ogg Vorbis post-1.0 CVS -q 0 - MP3pro codec in Adobe Audition, VBR quality 35, high quality, m/s and is stereo, no CRC, no narrowing. - WMAv9 Standard 64kbps (there's no PRO version at such bitrate, AFAIK) - Real Audio Cook 64kbps (I didn't investigate other settings yet. Comments welcome) The samples that will be tested have been announced on this thread. If you have concerns/comments about the sample suite choice, please post there. The test results will be calculated the same way my former tests were. I don't plan to include bitrates in the formula. Comments are welcome now (they are of no use to me after the test has been started). I haven't decided about anchors yet (my guru is traveling Then, the lower anchor would be a standard 3.5kHz lowpass, like it is done on most formal tests at low bitrates. So, I'd like to know your thoughts on what I planned. Thanks for your attention; Roberto. This post has been edited by rjamorim: Aug 22 2003, 07:53 -------------------- Get up-to-date binaries of Lame, AAC, Vorbis and much more at RareWares:
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Aug 27 2003, 01:36
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![]() Rarewares admin Group: Members Posts: 7515 Joined: 30-September 01 From: Brazil Member No.: 81 |
QUOTE (Digga @ Aug 26 2003, 09:14 PM) I thought is wasn't about chosing the best codecs out of the bunch, but more to include some well known ones... or am I getting something wrong here?! My tests were *always*about*quality* Other features like price, support, license, popularity, etc. come far behind. QUOTE edit: damn, Rjamorim has smuggeld a post in before mine... Well, nothing has been decided so far -------------------- Get up-to-date binaries of Lame, AAC, Vorbis and much more at RareWares:
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rjamorim Pre-Test thread Aug 22 2003, 07:52
elmar3rd I wonder if mp3PRO VBR is reliable. FhG fastenc VB... Aug 22 2003, 09:13
tigre QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 21 2003, 10:52 PM)The c... Aug 22 2003, 09:16
tigre QUOTE (elmar3rd @ Aug 22 2003, 12:13 AM)I won... Aug 22 2003, 09:22
elmar3rd Beat me, but what about MP3 (LAME or fastenc) at 6... Aug 22 2003, 09:38
askoff Is it possible to have QuickTime AAC files also in... Aug 22 2003, 11:17
LadFromDownUnder With regard to the WMA codec (you are correct that... Aug 22 2003, 11:44
rjamorim QUOTE (elmar3rd @ Aug 22 2003, 05:13 AM)I won... Aug 22 2003, 16:59
bond thanks for this test rjamorim!
as vorbis 1.0.... Aug 22 2003, 17:44
tigre QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 22 2003, 07:59 AM)QUOTE... Aug 22 2003, 17:47
rjamorim QUOTE (bond @ Aug 22 2003, 01:44 PM)as vorbis... Aug 23 2003, 03:06
kotrtim QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 21 2003, 10:52 PM)WMAv9... Aug 23 2003, 03:43
Dibrom QUOTE (tigre @ Aug 22 2003, 01:16 AM)What kee... Aug 23 2003, 03:44
rjamorim QUOTE (tigre @ Aug 22 2003, 01:47 PM)I sugges... Aug 23 2003, 03:48
Canar QUOTE (Dibrom @ Aug 22 2003, 06:44 PM)As Robe... Aug 23 2003, 04:36
wildboar QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 22 2003, 09:36 PM)The test... Aug 23 2003, 05:01
Dibrom QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 22 2003, 08:36 PM)QUOTE (D... Aug 23 2003, 05:05
rjamorim QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 23 2003, 12:36 AM)This see... Aug 23 2003, 05:09
Canar @wildboar:
The multi-pass ABR method I described w... Aug 23 2003, 06:09
rjamorim QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 23 2003, 02:09 AM)I think ... Aug 23 2003, 06:17
den QUOTE Atrac3 won't be a good option. It doesn... Aug 23 2003, 08:33
tigre QUOTE (Dibrom @ Aug 22 2003, 06:44 PM)I don... Aug 23 2003, 08:38
S_O For Real Gecko Audio you should use the "64 k... Aug 23 2003, 11:18
guruboolez Some comments :
atrac3plus would be nice to test... Aug 23 2003, 12:54
rjamorim QUOTE (den @ Aug 23 2003, 04:33 AM)Umm sorry,... Aug 23 2003, 16:17
phong I think a 64kbps test is going to be less tiring t... Aug 23 2003, 17:45
Dologan Hmm... I frankly don't understand the ABR/CBR/... Aug 23 2003, 18:40
rjamorim QUOTE (dologan @ Aug 23 2003, 02:40 PM)A sugg... Aug 24 2003, 01:01
guruboolez Testing eight different files for each sample does... Aug 24 2003, 01:14
rjamorim That really sounds like a great idea to me.
(Alt... Aug 24 2003, 01:41
guruboolez Is it worth to put two different anchors in this t... Aug 24 2003, 01:59
rjamorim QUOTE (guruboolez @ Aug 23 2003, 09:59 PM)Is ... Aug 24 2003, 02:51
ErikS One idea how to add more codecs to the test would ... Aug 24 2003, 03:56
tigre Would it be an option to use the 8 sliders for tes... Aug 24 2003, 07:47
S_O QUOTE That's not a real possibility because, o... Aug 24 2003, 12:14
bond dont think that people will get bored if they test... Aug 24 2003, 19:37
rjamorim QUOTE (ErikS @ Aug 23 2003, 11:56 PM)One idea... Aug 24 2003, 20:02
rjamorim QUOTE (S_O @ Aug 24 2003, 08:14 AM)If they do... Aug 24 2003, 20:10
Gecko I think dividing the test into an essential and a ... Aug 24 2003, 20:42
S_O QUOTE Well, is HE AAC, WMA, and Real even "cu... Aug 24 2003, 21:20
rjamorim QUOTE (S_O @ Aug 24 2003, 05:20 PM)But I noti... Aug 24 2003, 21:31
S_O QUOTE Well, I believe few would allow a stranger t... Aug 24 2003, 21:57
rjamorim QUOTE (S_O @ Aug 24 2003, 05:57 PM)You donīt ... Aug 24 2003, 22:23
Dologan Roberto, are you sure you can't merge the resu... Aug 25 2003, 05:34
rjamorim Well, the biggest problem I see here is using ff12... Aug 25 2003, 05:47
Dologan Hmm... I see...
When are you planning to start th... Aug 25 2003, 06:34
Gabriel *I think that Guru's idea of 2 sets is interes... Aug 25 2003, 08:10
rjamorim QUOTE (dologan @ Aug 25 2003, 02:34 AM)When a... Aug 25 2003, 08:55
rjamorim QUOTE *I think that Guru's idea of 2 sets is i... Aug 25 2003, 09:01
ErikS * If someone modifies ff123's tool you use for... Aug 25 2003, 11:17
tigre QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 25 2003, 12:01 AM)QUOTE... Aug 25 2003, 12:16
phong Another problem with using lame as an anchor is th... Aug 25 2003, 12:48
elmar3rd In statistics, an anchor can be a middle value, no... Aug 25 2003, 14:48
rjamorim I think we're making a mess out of this test..... Aug 25 2003, 17:47
rjamorim QUOTE (tigre @ Aug 25 2003, 08:16 AM)A soluti... Aug 25 2003, 17:52
rjamorim QUOTE (askoff @ Aug 22 2003, 07:17 AM)EDIT: A... Aug 25 2003, 18:02
tigre QUOTE Well, as already explained somewhere, the An... Aug 25 2003, 18:28
phong Ok, these are my personal feelings:
I think that ... Aug 25 2003, 18:52
rjamorim QUOTE (phong @ Aug 25 2003, 02:52 PM)I think ... Aug 25 2003, 20:48
Gabriel Real: I think that it is not needed
wma: I think t... Aug 26 2003, 08:08
Digga QUOTE (Gabriel @ Aug 25 2003, 11:08 PM)If an ... Aug 26 2003, 09:50
Digga uups, double post... Aug 26 2003, 09:50
LadFromDownUnder Roberto, given the MS claims about WMA9 (not WMA8)... Aug 26 2003, 11:06
rjamorim OK, so let's try this:
-HE AAC
-Vorbis
-MP3pr... Aug 26 2003, 17:36
Digga That combination looks realy good. This way
- you... Aug 26 2003, 19:45
elmar3rd I agree.
Of course, 8 codecs will take some time ... Aug 26 2003, 19:51
rjamorim QUOTE (Digga @ Aug 26 2003, 03:45 PM)I realy ... Aug 26 2003, 19:57
rjamorim BTW, some more questions that need to be answered:... Aug 26 2003, 20:02
music_man_mpc QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 26 2003, 11:02 AM)IMO, ... Aug 26 2003, 20:08
phong The list looks good from where I'm standing. ... Aug 26 2003, 20:22
n68 Ciao...
read @ the portal.
sounds familiar.: *gen... Aug 26 2003, 20:26
rjamorim QUOTE (n68 @ Aug 26 2003, 04:26 PM)read @ the... Aug 26 2003, 20:29
phong Huh? Aug 26 2003, 21:52
brett rj -- as for which aac to include, i would hate to... Aug 27 2003, 00:59
rjamorim QUOTE (brett @ Aug 26 2003, 08:59 PM)rj -- as... Aug 27 2003, 01:12
Digga QUOTE i would hate to see you choose ahead just be... Aug 27 2003, 01:14
Gabriel For mp3-64m I think that blade would be less inter... Aug 27 2003, 09:04
tigre QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 26 2003, 04:12 PM)I don... Aug 27 2003, 14:41
rjamorim QUOTE (Gabriel @ Aug 27 2003, 05:04 AM)Using ... Aug 27 2003, 14:50
rjamorim QUOTE (tigre @ Aug 27 2003, 10:41 AM)- Is it ... Aug 27 2003, 14:58
AstralStorm I'll do a test with ABC/HR on few of samples f... Aug 27 2003, 15:22
rjamorim QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Aug 27 2003, 11:22 AM)I... Aug 27 2003, 15:43
ErikS QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 27 2003, 02:58 PM)QUOTE... Aug 27 2003, 15:48
rjamorim QUOTE (ErikS @ Aug 27 2003, 11:48 AM)Que? I w... Aug 27 2003, 15:51
AstralStorm Rjamorim,
you are hereby granted the rights to us... Aug 27 2003, 15:55
AstralStorm ABC/HR 0.9b doesn't save the results when I tr... Aug 27 2003, 17:05
rjamorim QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Aug 27 2003, 01:05 PM)Do... Aug 27 2003, 17:08
AstralStorm Don't forget to enable all additional options ... Aug 27 2003, 17:21
tigre QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 27 2003, 05:58 AM)QUOTE... Aug 27 2003, 17:34
tigre Results
Settings used:
<samplename>_CEP_dev... Aug 28 2003, 01:08
tigre Next result: The Chopin Piano sample. To me surpri... Aug 28 2003, 12:18
Ivan Dimkovic Hmm.. for plain AAC (not HE AAC) I think that Ahe... Aug 28 2003, 13:54
AstralStorm Weird... for me LAME Polonaise sample is just unli... Aug 28 2003, 14:45
tigre QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Aug 28 2003, 04:54 AM)... Aug 28 2003, 17:26
rjamorim I guess the biggest problem of lame vs. FhG is for... Aug 28 2003, 18:15
tigre Not yet. good idea ... Aug 28 2003, 18:26
askoff rjamorim: Didn't you say that you are looking ... Aug 29 2003, 11:27
tigre Results
Settings used:
<samplename>.wav.wa... Aug 29 2003, 11:37
rjamorim QUOTE (tigre @ Aug 29 2003, 07:37 AM)Conclusi... Aug 29 2003, 17:24![]() ![]() |
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