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jrbamford
post Sep 5 2003, 11:44
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I've often wrestled with the issue of hifi and whether its worth it or not...

I do believe they're are improvements to be had by spending a bit more... compared to an all in one mini system from an electronics store at 300 or more... or rather i used to believe it... its often difficult to try to even persuade hifi people to even consider the possibility of this.. obviously there is an element of protecting your investment in hardware (similar loyalties run deep in games consoles wars etc)...

Anyways i've seen links and discussions on this before, i thought it'd be good to try and collect all of this in one place.. I'm sure somewhere i got a stereophile article off someone on here (dibrom?!) about a blind test they did with interconnect or spaeaker wire.. using real cheap wire compared to some mid range hifi interconnect... few people managed to spot it... if any blindly...

Its this kind of information that'd be great to have to try and let people read about it and at least consider to potentially save them more money... so any articles, links to tests done or discussions would be great.. other than just informed discussion on this thread or links to other threads would be great...

Firstly i think it'd be good to confront the wires issue... leaving whether certain hifi equipment is even useful or not.. this kind of information would be more easily absorbed by hifi-ers than telling them that there really is no need to buy an expensive cd player if you already have one... also with dual output devices (my DAC has two outputs) its much easier to easily let ppl setup two interconnects and quickly switch to do some blind testing...

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JeanLuc
post Sep 19 2003, 14:33
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QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 01:20 PM)
As I explained, I don't think skin effect can be audible in most situations, if any. Some measurements would be good to test the actual relevance of this effect.

If that is true, how relevant are their reviews for home listener? Why don't they try an ABX test?

What about a good pair of headphones?

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that would be very useful information, especially regarding different material's frequency and impulse response ...

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they claim that only a resonance-free listening environment will create equal conditions for e.g. every loudspeaker tested because some models suffer more from resonances than others ... from their point of view, this would not be a "fair" test ... and ABX is not a mean to determine sound quality (what hifi magazines claim to do), but pure differences in sound.

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heaphones are unbeaten when it comes to tonal music experience but they suffer when it comes to correct reproduction of staging (spatial information) ... if you ever heard how a carefully placed set of stereo speakers (the so-called stereo triangle) is able to create a virtual stage where you can pinpoint the location of different instruments (e.g. when listening to a philharmonic orchestra's recording), you will miss that information when using headphones ... the low distance between sound source and ear does not allow proper reproduction of "staging" in depth (this is negligible for pop/rock music, though, where Left/Right information is all you need in most cases)

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- jrbamford   A collection of anti-hifi [ripoff] information   Sep 5 2003, 11:44
- - ScorLibran   I like this idea! I've often wondered whe...   Sep 5 2003, 12:22
- - jrbamford   QUOTE And I've seen similar tests on cabling, ...   Sep 5 2003, 12:39
- - boojum   Wire is wire is wire. Heavy duty lamp cord will s...   Sep 5 2003, 13:36
- - 2Bdecided   It does cost money to do some things well. And it ...   Sep 5 2003, 13:45
- - jrbamford   QUOTE Wire is wire is wire. Heavy duty lamp cord w...   Sep 5 2003, 13:58
- - 2Bdecided   See my reply in the turntable thread. And if that ...   Sep 5 2003, 14:10
- - fewtch   Cable capacitance is also a big issue with moving ...   Sep 5 2003, 14:28
- - jrbamford   Thanks fewtch, i did wonder.. the one lead i would...   Sep 5 2003, 15:34
- - fewtch   I'd suggest using any well-shielded audio cabl...   Sep 5 2003, 15:51
- - jrbamford   The turntable i got has RCA inputs anyways so that...   Sep 5 2003, 16:23
- - DonP   In the case of phono: if your preamp/receiver can...   Sep 5 2003, 16:43
- - fewtch   QUOTE (jrbamford @ Sep 5 2003, 08:23 AM)So au...   Sep 5 2003, 17:05
- - Audible!   Speaker cable "differences' over average ...   Sep 5 2003, 23:01
- - jrbamford   Thanks Audible! great link.. thats what i...   Sep 5 2003, 23:35
- - Audible!   QUOTE wierd as he does sell these things yet says ...   Sep 6 2003, 00:53
- - ChrisGranger   I would like to see a properly conducted ABX test ...   Sep 6 2003, 10:22
- - ChrisGranger   Oh, and to reply to the initial post, I really thi...   Sep 6 2003, 10:34
- - DarkAngel   I lost almost all faith in high end hi-fi magazine...   Sep 6 2003, 11:43
- - Patsoe   QUOTE (jrbamford @ Sep 5 2003, 11:44 AM)...An...   Sep 6 2003, 23:39
- - polandro   If you want a link to a snake-oil type site try C...   Sep 7 2003, 00:23
- - Audible!   QUOTE It's silly. Do they rewire their CD play...   Sep 7 2003, 00:29
- - Bongoboy   QUOTE (jrbamford @ Sep 5 2003, 11:44 AM)Anywa...   Sep 7 2003, 00:50
- - Bongoboy   QUOTE (Audible! @ Sep 7 2003, 12:29 AM)Go...   Sep 7 2003, 01:24
- - Audible!   QUOTE First of all Galvanic Corrosion (or electrop...   Sep 7 2003, 02:03
- - Auric   I certainly think there's a difference, but on...   Sep 7 2003, 16:10
- - Audible!   QUOTE In other words, as long as long as the speak...   Sep 7 2003, 21:41
- - Bongoboy   QUOTE (Audible! @ Sep 7 2003, 02:03 AM)Th...   Sep 8 2003, 01:34
- - Bongoboy   QUOTE (Auric @ Sep 7 2003, 04:10 PM)The same ...   Sep 8 2003, 02:12
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- - sthayashi   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Sep 17 2003, 02:00 PM)Could ...   Sep 18 2003, 05:38
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- - monkeyboy   Most copper is 99.9% Oxygen free. The main differ...   Sep 18 2003, 16:31
- - Audible!   QUOTE Now, whilst the listener may not instantly p...   Sep 19 2003, 00:01
- - jrbamford   I plan to record some outputs from my DAC20 (with ...   Sep 19 2003, 00:17
- - KikeG   At http://www.kikeg.arrakis.es/stest you have a te...   Sep 19 2003, 07:48
- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Auric @ Sep 7 2003, 03:10 PM)The same ...   Sep 19 2003, 10:21
- - ScorLibran   Out of curiosity, I am wondering what any (theoret...   Sep 19 2003, 10:40
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 19 2003, 09:40 AM)Or ...   Sep 19 2003, 10:57
- - KikeG   QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 19 2003, 10:40 AM)Onc...   Sep 19 2003, 11:00
- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 19 2003, 09:40 AM)I *...   Sep 19 2003, 11:47
- - KikeG   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Sep 19 2003, 11:47 AM)there ...   Sep 19 2003, 12:27
- - kennedyb4   This is a great thread. There have been many claim...   Sep 19 2003, 12:57
- - DonP   QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 06:27 AM)Not most...   Sep 19 2003, 13:26
- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 11:27 AM)even if ...   Sep 19 2003, 14:00
- - KikeG   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Sep 19 2003, 02:00 PM)That...   Sep 19 2003, 14:20
- - bawjaws   A condensed version of this thread and the informa...   Sep 19 2003, 14:31
- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 01:20 PM)As I exp...   Sep 19 2003, 14:33
- - KikeG   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Sep 19 2003, 02:33 PM)they c...   Sep 19 2003, 14:58
- - Pio2001   Skin Effect Summary. The skin effect in a cylindr...   Sep 19 2003, 22:06
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- - Pio2001   Speaker cables recordings. Don't try this at ...   Sep 20 2003, 01:23
- - Audible!   QUOTE Loss = 20 log (0.98) = -0.2 dB But, but, but...   Sep 20 2003, 01:37
- - Pio2001   Then, looking at him you can ABX ?   Sep 20 2003, 03:10
- - Audible!   QUOTE Then, looking at him you can ABX ? Well, not...   Sep 20 2003, 03:37
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- - Pio2001   QUOTE (lucpes @ Sep 20 2003, 09:27 PM)The aud...   Sep 20 2003, 21:50
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