64kbps public listening test, FINISHED |
64kbps public listening test, FINISHED |
Sep 22 2003, 09:10
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![]() Rarewares admin Group: Members Posts: 7515 Joined: 30-September 01 From: Brazil Member No.: 81 |
Hello.
There have been some delays, but here are the so awaited results of the latest 64kbps group blind listening test. http://audio.ciara.us/test/64test/results.html And the final plot: Each vertical line segment represents the 95% confidence interval (using ANOVA analysis) for each codec. ![]() Note: Lame MP3 is 128kbps "high anchor" in this test, FhG MP3 is the "low anchor" Zoomed version without the anchors: ![]() Codec specifications:
Best regards; Roberto. -------------------- Get up-to-date binaries of Lame, AAC, Vorbis and much more at RareWares:
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Sep 22 2003, 14:34
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 12-October 02 From: Italy Member No.: 3537 |
This is the table of my results:
![]() According to the averege the best my preferred encoder seems to be HE AAC even if i should say that i’m quite surprised for the result of mp3PRO (or maybe i’ve overestimated HE AAC). I’ve done a sort of ranking for the best, real antagonists at 64 Kbps. The first position is colored in green, the second in yellow and the third in red. With this direct comparison Mp3PRO is (according to my preferences) often better than HE AAC. Mp3Pro has shown a detectable lowpass (16Khz) but this is not the real problem for a 64 Kbps, artifacts are more annoying. There is an interesting thing i’ve perceived: with HE AAC the high frequencies seem unnatural, attenuated, as if it was lowpassed. While doing the blind test i imputed this to the lowpass, but later i’ve discovered that the HE AAC files are lowpassed at about 20 kHz (surely inaudible for me). Does FAAD use dithering when decoding ? If not, i think that the fact could be explained with the SBR “problem” of which guruboolez give us an excellent description. While the two codecs above scored a very close quality level, i can’t say the same for Vorbis that is often behind the others two. I surely agree with guruboolez: Vorbis in this bitrate range is easy detectable because of noise and exaggerated highs (with sharp attacks the result is quite annoying). We all are waiting for the 1.1 version that should give better result with this type of artifacts. At the end, i sincerely want to thank Roberto for his effort organizing this useful test. The number of participants is increased and this is a clear indication of good organization. -------------------- WavPack 4.3 -mfx5
LAME 3.97 -V5 --vbr-new --athaa-sensitivity 1 |
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rjamorim 64kbps public listening test Sep 22 2003, 09:10
bond yummie
hm, first time that i voted most of the c... Sep 22 2003, 09:15
neoufo51 Interesting...
I expect Vorbis to be a little hig... Sep 22 2003, 09:20
rjamorim Bloody 5:20 AM here.
I'll read criticisms, co... Sep 22 2003, 09:21
rjamorim BTW: If the server starts with that redirection fa... Sep 22 2003, 09:22
rjamorim One last thing: People are invited to announce it ... Sep 22 2003, 09:24
Ivan Dimkovic Roberto, can you please move the anchors (low-hig... Sep 22 2003, 09:26
Jon Ingram The group results seem to be:
Lame > He AAC, MP... Sep 22 2003, 09:27
Gabriel QUOTE the anchors (low-high) to the right - and/or... Sep 22 2003, 09:28
rjamorim QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 22 2003, 05:26 AM)... Sep 22 2003, 09:32
ScorLibran Here are the averaged results of my own tests on j... Sep 22 2003, 09:35
guruboolez I obtained different results, with bad notation fo... Sep 22 2003, 09:41
Jon Ingram QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 22 2003, 08:35 AM)The... Sep 22 2003, 09:49
bond edit: my zoomed in pic is already on the official ... Sep 22 2003, 09:56
mcbevin Hey, I think it might be worth emphasizing (or at ... Sep 22 2003, 10:29
2Bdecided QUOTE (guruboolez @ Sep 22 2003, 08:41 AM)I o... Sep 22 2003, 10:43
2Bdecided btw(!) Thanks for conducting such an excellent... Sep 22 2003, 10:44
guruboolez Note than Vorbis sufffered by an artifact (reverbe... Sep 22 2003, 10:52
Continuum QUOTE (Jon Ingram @ Sep 22 2003, 10:27 AM)The... Sep 22 2003, 10:58
ScorLibran QUOTE (Jon Ingram @ Sep 22 2003, 04:49 AM)Wit... Sep 22 2003, 11:27
eloj Slashdot is going to be hell if this is posted and... Sep 22 2003, 11:31
teetee QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 22 2003, 10:44 AM)EDIT... Sep 22 2003, 11:55
schnofler My results looked like this: Lame, HE AAC > MP3... Sep 22 2003, 12:04
phong WOW, very interesting! The results are so far... Sep 22 2003, 12:08
Garf QUOTE (eloj @ Sep 22 2003, 12:31 PM)Also, how... Sep 22 2003, 12:12
Vietwoojagig Will the next test be a 96kbps test, with the same... Sep 22 2003, 12:29
bond QUOTE (Vietwoojagig @ Sep 22 2003, 01:29 PM)W... Sep 22 2003, 12:31
phong QUOTE (guruboolez)I'm not at ease with vorbis ... Sep 22 2003, 12:36
Garf QUOTE (bond @ Sep 22 2003, 01:31 PM)he-aac is... Sep 22 2003, 12:46
Garf QUOTE (phong @ Sep 22 2003, 01:36 PM)I hope 1... Sep 22 2003, 12:47
bond QUOTE (Garf @ Sep 22 2003, 01:46 PM)QUOTE (bo... Sep 22 2003, 13:20
JohnV QUOTE (bond @ Sep 22 2003, 03:20 PM)QUOTE (Ga... Sep 22 2003, 13:42
bond QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 22 2003, 02:42 PM)Umm, jus... Sep 22 2003, 13:48
JohnV QUOTE (bond @ Sep 22 2003, 03:48 PM)QUOTE (Jo... Sep 22 2003, 13:52
listen Gosh! I only listened to one sample (New York... Sep 22 2003, 14:00
sthayashi Anyone else think it interesting that Ogg Vorbis w... Sep 22 2003, 14:03
JohnV QUOTE (sthayashi @ Sep 22 2003, 04:03 PM)Anyo... Sep 22 2003, 14:06
Jojo Great test! However, I wonder who is doing 64k... Sep 22 2003, 14:09
JohnV QUOTE (Jojo @ Sep 22 2003, 04:09 PM)By the wa... Sep 22 2003, 14:18
Jon Ingram QUOTE (Jojo @ Sep 22 2003, 01:09 PM)I hope th... Sep 22 2003, 14:23
amano hmm, surprisingly wma was very close to the low an... Sep 22 2003, 14:34
Atlantis QUOTE (amano @ Sep 22 2003, 03:34 PM)hmm, sur... Sep 22 2003, 14:36
rjamorim QUOTE (Vietwoojagig @ Sep 22 2003, 08:29 AM)W... Sep 22 2003, 14:41
bond QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 22 2003, 03:41 PM)@bond... Sep 22 2003, 14:44
Gecko At first, let me thank Roberto for his efforts: th... Sep 22 2003, 14:52
Garf QUOTE (Jojo @ Sep 22 2003, 03:09 PM)Great tes... Sep 22 2003, 15:01
Garf QUOTE Many people found it hard to detect artifact... Sep 22 2003, 15:04
rjamorim Hello.
Menno came with an idea: Replacing "L... Sep 22 2003, 15:10
guruboolez QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 22 2003, 03:10 PM)Hello... Sep 22 2003, 15:21
rjamorim QUOTE (guruboolez @ Sep 22 2003, 11:21 AM)Is ... Sep 22 2003, 15:43
smok3 @rjamorim:
tnx for organizing and conducting the ... Sep 22 2003, 15:43
AstralStorm Thank you rjamorim for making my results 'anon... Sep 22 2003, 15:46
rjamorim QUOTE (smok3 @ Sep 22 2003, 11:43 AM)flame ve... Sep 22 2003, 15:47
rjamorim QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Sep 22 2003, 11:46 AM)Th... Sep 22 2003, 15:48
bond good idea calling it low/high anchor (perhaps you ... Sep 22 2003, 15:50
guruboolez Glad to know anon1's name. It's one of the... Sep 22 2003, 15:51
2Bdecided I was sad to be anon05 - I'll have to demand c... Sep 22 2003, 16:18
ff123 QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 22 2003, 07:18 AM)I wa... Sep 22 2003, 16:31
c_haese QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 22 2003, 09:47 AM)OK, I... Sep 22 2003, 17:44
Niknak Can you give us the actual bitrates or filesizes w... Sep 22 2003, 17:49
de Mon I can't understand why didn't the best ver... Sep 22 2003, 18:42
Continuum GT3 is only real tuned for high bitrates (>160 ... Sep 22 2003, 18:45
sony666 the mp3PRO result is interesting.. too bad the for... Sep 22 2003, 18:56
JohnV QUOTE (de Mon @ Sep 22 2003, 08:42 PM)I can... Sep 22 2003, 19:10
JohnV QUOTE (sony666 @ Sep 22 2003, 08:56 PM)the mp... Sep 22 2003, 19:17
AstralStorm I can't read the comments from the site.
If I... Sep 22 2003, 19:22
de Mon Thanks you for your replies, Continuum and JohnV. ... Sep 22 2003, 21:54
Dologan Heh, I find it weird that I usually scored MP3Pro ... Sep 22 2003, 22:00
ff123 Results have been slashdotted:
http://slashdot.or... Sep 22 2003, 22:42
AstralStorm My results:
CODELAME MP3Pro H... Sep 22 2003, 23:03
pseudoacoustic Great test Roberto. However, I also cannot access ... Sep 22 2003, 23:28
rjamorim QUOTE (ff123 @ Sep 22 2003, 06:42 PM)Results ... Sep 23 2003, 03:11
ff123 I always find stuff to reply to in the /. threads ... Sep 23 2003, 04:17
Dologan QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 22 2003, 08:11 PM)That ... Sep 23 2003, 04:20
rjamorim QUOTE (ff123 @ Sep 23 2003, 12:17 AM)I always... Sep 23 2003, 04:47
phong I added a big rant to the /. thread, but I don... Sep 23 2003, 05:07
ScorLibran QUOTE (From Slashdot)
The poster offers an intere... Sep 23 2003, 05:24
JohnV ok ok.. everybody knows what kind of place slashdo... Sep 23 2003, 05:31
rjamorim LOL! Sep 23 2003, 05:41
rjamorim QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 23 2003, 01:24 AM)Int... Sep 23 2003, 05:50
phong QUOTE (ScorLibran)Some people are like defective p... Sep 23 2003, 06:10
ScorLibran QUOTE (phong @ Sep 23 2003, 01:10 AM)QUOTE (S... Sep 23 2003, 06:34
ff123 QUOTE (phong @ Sep 22 2003, 09:10 PM)Can anyo... Sep 23 2003, 06:35
[proxima] QUOTE (phong @ Sep 23 2003, 06:10 AM)Can anyo... Sep 23 2003, 09:48
joey_m Ditto with WMA... I rated it even better than LAME... Sep 23 2003, 15:58
vinnie97 If you can easily detect upper-range frequencies, ... Sep 23 2003, 17:01
rjamorim QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Sep 23 2003, 01:01 PM)Rober... Sep 23 2003, 17:51
[proxima] QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 23 2003, 05:51 PM)You s... Sep 23 2003, 18:07
Volcano Just wanted to say... great work as usual, Roberto... Sep 23 2003, 18:12
rjamorim QUOTE ([proxima),Sep 23 2003, 02:07 PM] I... Sep 23 2003, 18:29
[proxima] Roberto,
these sort of mistakes clearly indicate ... Sep 23 2003, 19:22
Latexxx QUOTE (joey_m @ Sep 23 2003, 06:58 AM)Ditto w... Sep 23 2003, 19:54
rjamorim Hello.
I just uploaded the bitrate tables. They a... Sep 23 2003, 20:12
phong Thanks everyone for the comments on WMA, that... Sep 23 2003, 20:28
spoon I am thinking that certain manufacturer claims of ... Sep 23 2003, 22:36
XXX It's always a mistake to scale a chart that na... Sep 23 2003, 23:00
Dibrom QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 23 2003, 12:12 PM)Hello... Sep 23 2003, 23:06
Dibrom QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 23 2003, 02:36 PM)I am thi... Sep 23 2003, 23:09
Jon Ingram You mention in the blurb that it's interesting... Sep 23 2003, 23:13![]() ![]() |
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