Vorbis development, status & patent issues

Vorbis development, status & patent issues, PART 2 - Technical discussion

Gabriel View Member Profile	Sep 25 2003, 14:37 Post #1
LAME developer Group: Developer Posts: 2950 Joined: 1-October 01 From: Nanterre, France Member No.: 138	Moderator comment Currently the Vorbis patent issue covers these threads: Vorbis development, status & patent issues PART 1 - NON-technical discussion Vorbis development, status & patent issues PART 2 - Technical discussion (This thread) /Moderator comment By looking at this: http://www.xiph.org/archives/vorbis-dev/20...2/index.html#83 it seems that Xiph (at least in 2000) was open to the idea of disclosing the patent research. Is this position changed now, or does it still stand?

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Ivan Dimkovic View Member Profile	Sep 25 2003, 15:43 Post #2
Nero MPEG4 developer Group: Developer Posts: 1466 Joined: 22-September 01 Member No.: 8	Ok, so we have a pretty clear basis for a serious scientific discussion, eh c_haese?

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Gabriel Vorbis development, status & patent issues Sep 25 2003, 14:37

c_haese QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 25 2003, 08:12 AM)... Sep 25 2003, 14:43

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE Fair enough, let's start a scientific di... Sep 25 2003, 14:53

Ivan Dimkovic One more thing - the claims are not related to any... Sep 25 2003, 14:59

menno Claim 1 from patent US5214742: QUOTE 1. In a metho... Sep 25 2003, 15:20

menno 1.3. High-level Decode Process It seems that the ... Sep 25 2003, 15:41

Ivan Dimkovic Ok, so we have a pretty clear basis for a serious ... Sep 25 2003, 15:43

c_haese I've already said everything I'm qualified... Sep 25 2003, 16:03

Ivan Dimkovic Well, at least there is a nice bunch of factual da... Sep 25 2003, 16:14

petracci QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 25 2003, 05:36 PM)... Sep 25 2003, 16:50

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE Claim 1 does not claim the "windowing/o... Sep 25 2003, 16:56

petracci QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 25 2003, 05:56 PM)... Sep 25 2003, 17:07

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE First of all, do you also think that claim 1... Sep 25 2003, 17:22

petracci Yes, Claim 4 is not easy to avoid. Claim 6 points ... Sep 25 2003, 17:34

c_haese QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 25 2003, 11:22 AM)... Sep 25 2003, 17:36

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE Wouldn't all claims have to apply to mak... Sep 25 2003, 18:30

jmvalin QUOTE (petracci @ Sep 25 2003, 11:34 AM)Yes, ... Sep 25 2003, 23:31

JohnV QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 26 2003, 01:31 AM)QUOTE ... Sep 26 2003, 00:23

Ivan Dimkovic I took a deeper look at the patent - It seems that... Sep 26 2003, 01:05

Ivan Dimkovic I mean - in my opinion, the purpose of the Claim 1... Sep 26 2003, 01:13

ErikS QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 26 2003, 01:13 AM)... Sep 26 2003, 01:48

petracci QUOTE I took a deeper look at the patent - It seem... Sep 26 2003, 08:59

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE E.g. incorporating the rate in the switching... Sep 26 2003, 09:05

petracci QUOTE I mean - in my opinion, the purpose of the C... Sep 26 2003, 09:16

menno Doesn't Parseval's Theorem say that freque... Sep 26 2003, 09:19

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE I can obviously not say that either of us is... Sep 26 2003, 09:21

petracci QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 26 2003, 10:21 AM)... Sep 26 2003, 09:31

Ivan Dimkovic I think it was: QUOTE 5853 Michael J. Smithers,Br... Sep 26 2003, 09:48

petracci QUOTE Doesn't Parseval's Theorem say that ... Sep 26 2003, 09:49

petracci QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 26 2003, 10:48 AM)... Sep 26 2003, 09:57

Ivan Dimkovic I think we got into one very serous discussion rig... Sep 26 2003, 10:04

petracci QUOTE I think we got into one very serous discussi... Sep 26 2003, 10:12

Ivan Dimkovic http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ffmp...=1.18... Sep 26 2003, 10:38

petracci QUOTE I dunno about the patent - will take some ti... Sep 26 2003, 10:49

Ivan Dimkovic Actually, I never tried that FFMPEG code, so I am ... Sep 26 2003, 10:53

petracci QUOTE Actually, I never tried that FFMPEG code, so... Sep 26 2003, 11:01

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE If they paid for licensing that patent on wi... Sep 26 2003, 11:06

DSPguru QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 26 2003, 16:53 PM)... Sep 26 2003, 11:15

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE recently, the official ffmpeg homepage had b... Sep 26 2003, 11:21

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE e.g. if the complete technological details w... Sep 26 2003, 12:01

petracci QUOTE Ivan Dimkovic That is also interesting,... Sep 26 2003, 12:18

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE If a respected developer/researcher like Iva... Sep 26 2003, 12:34

petracci QUOTE You are right - I am not sure, of cour... Sep 26 2003, 14:18

danchr QUOTE (DSPguru @ Sep 26 2003, 12:15 PM)QUOTE ... Sep 27 2003, 11:09

c_haese Okay, let's get back to the scientific problem... Sep 29 2003, 22:17

menno QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 29 2003, 10:17 PM)After ... Sep 30 2003, 14:03

Ivan Dimkovic Ok, for those with lmiited ability to read: Inste... Sep 30 2003, 23:09

JohnV Thread re-arranged. This thread is now only for te... Oct 1 2003, 09:00

jmvalin QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 30 2003, 05:09 PM)... Oct 1 2003, 23:26

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE (jmvalin @ Oct 1 2003, 10:26 PM)QUOTE (... Oct 2 2003, 09:21

JohnV Ok, I asked Xiph's opinion about this specific... Oct 5 2003, 23:38

Ivan Dimkovic All in all, this is how I perceive the picture... ... Oct 6 2003, 08:30

jmvalin QUOTE (JohnV @ Oct 5 2003, 05:38 PM)Ok, I ask... Oct 6 2003, 20:11

JohnV QUOTE (jmvalin @ Oct 6 2003, 10:11 PM)QUOTE (... Oct 6 2003, 21:25

jmvalin QUOTE (JohnV @ Oct 6 2003, 03:25 PM)Discussio... Oct 7 2003, 03:17

JohnV QUOTE (jmvalin @ Oct 7 2003, 05:17 AM)I said ... Oct 7 2003, 04:54

jmvalin QUOTE I was the only one who was talking about tha... Oct 7 2003, 06:40

JohnV QUOTE (jmvalin @ Oct 7 2003, 08:40 AM)OK, fir... Oct 7 2003, 07:09

Ivan Dimkovic Like I said - if somebody is so sure he avoided pa... Oct 7 2003, 08:06

PatchWorKs I don't want to be boring, but i have to say i... Oct 7 2003, 08:34

Dibrom QUOTE (PatchWorKs @ Oct 7 2003, 12:34 AM)I do... Oct 7 2003, 08:43

sthayashi JohnV, It seems to me that Monty's unofficial... Oct 7 2003, 14:22

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE (PatchWorKs @ Oct 7 2003, 07:34 AM)I do... Oct 7 2003, 14:36

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 7 2003, 01:22 PM)JohnV... Oct 7 2003, 15:02

rsilva Let me try to "preach to the deaf" once ... Oct 7 2003, 19:17

sthayashi QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Oct 7 2003, 06:02 AM)W... Oct 7 2003, 20:41

ScorLibran QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 7 2003, 03:41 PM)QUOTE... Oct 7 2003, 21:20

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE "Vorbis is a hybrid transform domain ge... Oct 7 2003, 23:00

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 7 2003, 07:41 PM) QUOT... Oct 7 2003, 23:04

PatchWorKs From XviD.org website: QUOTE European parliament ... Oct 8 2003, 09:39

Ivan Dimkovic I don't know what XVid claims (and for what pa... Oct 8 2003, 10:07

Ivan Dimkovic QUOTE Sorry to be so boring... Sorry if I s... Oct 8 2003, 11:27

Garf QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Oct 7 2003, 10:20 PM)(Not... Oct 8 2003, 17:07

Diocletian QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 26 2003, 12:01 PM)... Oct 9 2003, 18:27

ScorLibran QUOTE (Diocletian @ Oct 9 2003, 01:27 PM)Do y... Oct 9 2003, 19:09

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