Why does the gauge of speaker wire matter? |
Why does the gauge of speaker wire matter? |
Oct 11 2003, 04:12
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I've read some things discussing speaker wiring such as speaker reviews and their is always something like "the included cables are ok but you'll probably want to go and get something thicker." My question is why do I want some huge python of a cable? And what principles are used to decide what size is big enough?
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Nov 1 2003, 22:04
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QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Oct 31 2003, 09:50 PM) So it is quite a big gauge after all. 24 AWG is 0.20 mm2 16x0.2=3.2 mm2, that is around 12 AWG. This is surprising... Maybe recording the signal at the ampli plugs and comparing the 4 results (the two cables, speaker-side, and the two cables, ampli-side) could give more info. If the two ampli-side recordings are similar, the speaker-side recording that is the closest should be the best. By the way, I find the idea of an attenuator for speaker - line connection strange. The author assumes that the output of an ampli is 3 to 20 Volts. This is true when the ampli is completely overdriven, and the speakers maybe broken. Actually, I plugged directly the speaker output of my ampli into the line input for my recordings, and I had to set the volume so that I was worried about the neighbours, because it was late, so as to reach a proper line in level. Your attenuator was 20:1, thus without it, you'd have got a signal 26 dB louder. You say that it was -20 dB, thus it would have clipped by 6 dB. I recall again for everyone else : this experiment is DANGEROUS for your amplifier : a short circuit, a loose contact, a jack plugged off... and your ampli is fried ! As KikeG said, the attenuation might be due to the high capacitance/low impedance (which would act as an RC filter? ) - twisted pairs for all length - (+that would add a meter or two to the effective length of the cable...). About the attenuator - my speakers have <<90/W/m efficiency and the Gemini might be in the 95dB range (http://www.bamberglab.com/s3.htm See a SPL calculator here: http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/calcu...uladores_en.htm For 111dB SPL / 95dB/1W/1m speaker sensitivity a rough calculation would yield 25W. For 86 dB/1W/1m & the same perceived loudness one would need around 200W. Go figure that I want a beefier amplifier just after doing that So i'd need lots more amplifier power/voltage/amperage/whatever for same SPL (also taking in account the supposedly impedance swings which would need lots of current). The lowish sensitivity & impedance troubles is due to 2*10" woofers, 3*5" mid drivers and two tweeters to be driven through what is seems to be a major network of capacitors, transformer-type coils, shunt LC filters and long lengths of wire. However, the sound is pure bliss (okay, I'm going to the dark side here...) Crossover here: http://oellerer.net/infinity_classics/RS_I...nical_sheet.pdf I'll try to redo the test with amp side recordings next weekend. Ugh... I'd also use my smaller 3-way bookshelf speakers to provide data on 'speaker load/cables/amplifier matching'. Until then I'll keep kicking myself in the nuts for staying three months with CAT5 cable... as the difference while listening is humongous (at least that's what I'm hearing on the other side of the speaker). edit: Added link to SPL calculator edit: added 'low impedance needs lots of current' claim. This post has been edited by lucpes: Nov 2 2003, 02:12 |
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mkop Why does the gauge of speaker wire matter? Oct 11 2003, 04:12
boojum If you are driving speakers which require much pow... Oct 11 2003, 04:29
TwoJ I think I have never seen such bending of physical... Oct 11 2003, 04:38
ScorLibran [reaching back 15 years to my electrical engineeri... Oct 11 2003, 06:12
TwoJ Right concept but wrong application, sorry ScorLib... Oct 11 2003, 06:37
ScorLibran QUOTE (TwoJ @ Oct 11 2003, 01:37 AM)Right con... Oct 11 2003, 06:43
AgentMil QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Oct 11 2003, 01:43 PM)QUO... Oct 11 2003, 08:02
_Shorty the longer the cable of X gauge is, the higher its... Oct 11 2003, 08:24
JeanLuc There are three major parameters that influence el... Oct 11 2003, 10:29
boojum Reading the posts of my learned engineering collea... Oct 11 2003, 11:18
fewtch Baah... I think I want to try $15,000 speaker... Oct 11 2003, 12:56
Pio2001 Speaker cable blind tests :
Placebo at work : htt... Oct 11 2003, 13:53
AgentMil QUOTE (fewtch @ Oct 11 2003, 07:56 PM)Baah...... Oct 11 2003, 14:06
TwoJ What I think most "real" audiophiles wil... Oct 11 2003, 16:03
JeanLuc QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Oct 11 2003, 12:53 PM)But I ... Oct 11 2003, 17:05
_Shorty http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?show... Oct 11 2003, 18:30
sshd There sure is some interesting information about e... Oct 12 2003, 00:05
adamjk Pio2001,
I'm rather observer, but you're t... Oct 12 2003, 01:14
NeoRenegade QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Oct 11 2003, 12:12 AM)[re... Oct 12 2003, 06:03
TwoJ QUOTE However, I noted an interesting thing - ever... Oct 12 2003, 06:16
lucpes QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Oct 11 2003, 12:53 PM)Say th... Oct 30 2003, 14:43
Dex4now QUOTE (fewtch @ Oct 11 2003, 03:56 AM)Baah...... Oct 30 2003, 15:07
lucpes Nice I always wondered why the lights in my house... Oct 30 2003, 15:27
fewtch QUOTE (lucpes @ Oct 30 2003, 07:27 AM)Nice I... Oct 30 2003, 16:09
lucpes No, conventional drivers but dipole (open baffle) ... Oct 30 2003, 16:46
Pio2001 QUOTE (lucpes @ Oct 30 2003, 02:43 PM)impedan... Oct 30 2003, 20:07
lucpes QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Oct 30 2003, 07:07 PM)QUOTE ... Oct 30 2003, 21:50
Pio2001 Before starting, how do we know that this is the a... Oct 31 2003, 00:01
lucpes ABX result of 2xCAT5 cables per polarity (4x8 wire... Oct 31 2003, 14:00
lucpes QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Oct 30 2003, 11:01 PM)Before... Oct 31 2003, 15:30
Continuum QUOTE (lucpes @ Oct 31 2003, 03:00 PM)Should ... Oct 31 2003, 18:32
Pio2001 Thank you very much for sharing your results, Lucp... Oct 31 2003, 20:08
lucpes The offset did not influence the test:
ABC HR con... Oct 31 2003, 20:42
ff123 QUOTE (lucpes @ Oct 31 2003, 11:42 AM)The off... Oct 31 2003, 21:11
Continuum I didn't think that you were hearing the offse... Oct 31 2003, 21:33
lucpes QUOTE (Continuum @ Oct 31 2003, 08:33 PM)I di... Oct 31 2003, 21:37
Pio2001 So it is quite a big gauge after all.
24 AWG is 0.... Oct 31 2003, 22:50
_Shorty unless it has protection for those situations, man... Nov 1 2003, 01:54
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE - Although it should be the case - I can tel... Nov 1 2003, 04:49
KikeG High freq. attenuation of CAT5 cable is quite prob... Nov 1 2003, 19:31
sshd What type of cat5 cable was used in this test?
I... Nov 2 2003, 00:43
lucpes El cheapo CAT5 solid core type used in the test.
... Nov 2 2003, 01:24
sshd QUOTE (lucpes @ Nov 1 2003, 10:04 PM)Until th... Nov 4 2003, 00:24
Pio2001 QUOTE (sshd @ Nov 4 2003, 12:24 AM)3. Does th... Nov 4 2003, 00:37
lucpes QUOTE (sshd @ Nov 3 2003, 11:24 PM)It seems y... Nov 17 2003, 15:05
Pio2001 Sorry to hear about this.
Either there was a short... Nov 17 2003, 23:36
lucpes Phew, I fixed it... turned out that the potentiome... Nov 18 2003, 13:59![]() ![]() |
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