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320 kps MP3 or --quality 7 --xlevel MPC ?

Hi, PEOPLE. I'm new in MPC & I need some help. The thing is that I RIP a lot of CD's, usually with LAME bitrate 320. 320 BECAUSE I'm after QUALITY. The high, the better. Is it true that MPC is better then MP3? Much better? I mean is it worth it RIP'ping with MPC?

Another 1  Will I get higher quality using -quality 10 --xlevel instead of -quality 7 --xlevel ?

Thanks a lot FOR answers

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320 kps MP3 or --quality 7 --xlevel MPC ?

Reply #1
MPC is better than mp3 at high bitrates . using that setting -q7 you will get transparent quality in almost all music you want to encode , I don´t say at 100% because nothing is 100% secure  . also you will need less disk space using mpc at -q7 than using mp3@320 kb/s

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Reply #2
You would get higher quality by using either Monkey Audio or FLAC.  Alternatively, you'll also get impressively high quality by using WavPack Hybrid or OptimFrog DualStream

MPC --quality 10 --xlevel is the highest quality level there is.  But to give you a hint, MPC --quality 7 is also  MPC --insane.
MPC --quality 8 is also MPC --braindead.

They chose those names for a reason.

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Reply #3
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Reply #4
If quality is what you're after, then use Musepack.  You'll start getting diminishing returns after --standard.

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Reply #5
Just try mpc Q5 and if you can't tell it from the original, stick with that one. Somehow I'm guessing though, that your case is more of a psychological sort, so perhaps I should suggest lossless for you instead ?

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Reply #6
I'll be so bold as to say mpc --standard will generally beat lame --preset insane.  Just take a look at the known problem samples for those settings, both the number of problem samples as well as the severity.
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Reply #7
320 kps MP3 or --quality 7 --xlevel MPC ?








simple answer:

mpc @ q7 (about 220 kbit) offers better sound quality than mp3@320, near to perfect, archive quality, great bitrate saver compared to lossless = 600 - 900 kbit/s  depends on music,( loud or silent, classic or other),
mp3 @ 320 needs way more space, and has less quality than mpc at q7.

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Reply #8
mpc --insane (quality 7) will be more than enough for 99.9999% of the music out there. Anything above that is a waste of space.

Even 7 is overkill, however there were a couple of samples that could be ABX'ed at q5 & q6 but not at q7.

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Reply #9
I dare to say that even --quality 5 will be higher quality than 320kbps MP3 (LAME) in most (all?) cases at about half the size. --quality 7 is for the paranoid like me.

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Reply #10
Some may suggest that I waste HD space needlessly, or call me paranoid - but I encode using Q10. 

Recently I lost a 1500 song library encoded in Q7.  After replacing my dead drive with 120GB, I began the lengthy task of encoding all over again.  With so much extra HD space available, why not go with the Q8 Braindead setting.  Everything sounded great, untill I decided to experiment with the EAC software.  By mistake entered a value of Q10 (I thought this was braindead).  After realizing the error I decided to compare a few music samples.  I can't tell you why my ears are sensitive enough to pick up transient information but maybe its more audible in Q10. - I really can hear the difference even at these bitrates.

My suggestion to you is - ABX some samples for yourself.  I prefer to listen to mostly jazz and classical acoustic recordings.  I find instumentation and vocals contained in well produced jazz (without overproduction) will yield quality which is more decernable at these quality levels. 

If you can hear the difference yourself, then I would say that there is no shame in being a fortunate minority.

Happy encoding in Quality 10 - MPC still rules the pack!

 

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Reply #11
Diam0nd, it’s very rare to find artifacts on 256kbps mp3’s & even you can hear differences believe me they are very slight. 320kbps using LAME, just try the worst problem samples (worst case scenarios which are usually less than a second & rare) you will be lucky to hear any difference.

If you have good hearing & quality equipment you may even find MPC has a very slight HF & LF boost too (just a personal opinion) but what is for sure, no lossy is perfect.

I would use mp3 because of compatibility, that & it’s size is the lure of lossy for me.

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Reply #12
Guys, this thread is more than 9 monthes old !

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Reply #13
I somehow find it odd that nobody has mentioned ABXing in this thread for "9 months."

If you can't hear a difference and have to ask others, what's the point in asking which is better?

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Reply #14
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I somehow find it odd that nobody has mentioned ABXing in this thread for "9 months."

If you can't hear a difference and have to ask others, what's the point in asking which is better?
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Both nite & I mentioned ABX, try problem samples.

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Guys, this thread is more than 9 monthes old !

lol, I just saw it pop up in the portal.

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I somehow find it odd that nobody has mentioned ABXing in this thread for "9 months."

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Both nite & I mentioned ABX, try problem samples.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=236142"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

It was only mentioned today.

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Guys, this thread is more than 9 monthes old !
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haha!