Results for 24bit/96KHz test, vs. 16bit/44.1KHz |
Results for 24bit/96KHz test, vs. 16bit/44.1KHz |
Jan 4 2004, 06:20
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I've been trying tigre's 24/96 test proposed in this thread, and also discussed at Afterdawn.
High definition stuff is also discussed here, here, and samples are here, but yeah, we've got a listening test thread now, so might as well use it... My equipment is an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 feeding straight to Sennheiser HD 200 headphones. I downloaded Lovely_1.wv and used foobar2000 to do resampling, replaygaining, and ABXing. At first I was using waveOut, but then I retested them all using Kernel Streaming. Anyway, I can ABX (with less than 1% chance of guessing): [24/96] vs. [24/96->16/44.1->24/96] (slow resampling, dither) [24/96] vs. [24/96->24/44.1->24/96] (slow resampling) [24/96] vs. [24/96->16/96->24/96] (dither) My results varied a bit, but all were significant. The first test I did, I was not expecting to hear any difference, so I was very careful, and got 12/12. Since then I've had 12/12s, 11/12s, a 10/10, and an 8/8 (got interrupted but still a valid result, and it was only a retest...) The most consistently hearable difference for me is when I listen between 5.2 and 7.2 seconds. Some sort of drum gets hit at about 5.7s. The high definition one is somehow more convincing. Today I was thinking of the good one as a push and the bad one as a pull, but yeah that's not a very helpdul description.. I'm also hearing other differences, but it's hard to know whether I'm being tipped off by something while focussing on something else, or even what the actual difference is in objective terms. So, what could be wrong? What else would be worth testing? I was thinking of noise shaping the output maybe... I'm not that keen to do a huge amount of retesting with every possible combination, but if someone thinks of something important I'll be sure to check it. |
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tigre Thanks for the effort, listen. I hope this will en... Jan 4 2004, 18:53
listen I just tried another ABX test.
This time it was 9... Jan 5 2004, 08:11
tigre Intreseting. Mabe we're getting closer to trac... Jan 5 2004, 13:11
listen Hi tigre,
I'm not sure why I didn't check ... Jan 6 2004, 07:48
KikeG Such rate of success in ABX makes the results a li... Jan 6 2004, 16:22
KikeG Ok, finally I got to generate the test files.
Dow... Jan 7 2004, 10:52
2Bdecided QUOTE (KikeG @ Jan 7 2004, 09:52 AM)Don't... Jan 7 2004, 11:26
KikeG Now, when you have tried the test files at my prev... Jan 7 2004, 12:06
listen Thanks for the input, I'll start working throu... Jan 7 2004, 23:49
Pio2001 I tried to ABX KikeG's files : lovely_short vs... Jan 9 2004, 00:31
listen Ok, I had a session last night and got some result... Jan 9 2004, 02:13
Pio2001 My soundcard doesn't support kernel streaming.... Jan 9 2004, 12:22
Continuum OT:
QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jan 9 2004, 12:31 AM)...... Jan 9 2004, 14:59
KikeG Very interesting...
Listen, could you try another... Jan 10 2004, 12:25
Garf QUOTE (listen @ Jan 9 2004, 03:13 AM)lovely_d... Jan 10 2004, 12:47
listen Sure I will try the next batch, and double check f... Jan 11 2004, 00:57
Continuum QUOTE (listen @ Jan 11 2004, 12:57 AM)the dif... Jan 11 2004, 08:43
Garf QUOTE (Continuum @ Jan 11 2004, 09:43 AM)If y... Jan 11 2004, 10:51
Continuum QUOTE (Garf @ Jan 11 2004, 10:51 AM)Another p... Jan 11 2004, 11:35
Garf Some more stuff to test with:
http://sjeng.org/ft... Jan 11 2004, 14:02
listen Just thought I should say that I'm leaving tow... Jan 14 2004, 03:38
listen I got motivated by a thread I saw the other day...... Mar 31 2004, 04:57
tigre listen, thanks for still spending time on this.
T... Mar 31 2004, 08:39
tigre QUOTE (listen @ Mar 31 2004, 05:57 AM)I had a... Mar 31 2004, 08:47
2Bdecided QUOTE (listen @ Jan 10 2004, 11:57 PM)About v... Mar 31 2004, 10:51
phwip Please forgive my ignorance as a complete newbie t... Mar 31 2004, 11:40
listen Well yes you pretty much sum it up perfectly in my... Mar 31 2004, 12:36
tigre phwip: immagine you throw a coin 10 times. The pro... Mar 31 2004, 14:12
tigre QUOTE (listen @ Mar 31 2004, 01:36 PM)Well ye... Mar 31 2004, 14:22
sshd I hate statistics:
The probability to get 11 corr... Mar 31 2004, 14:33
Pio2001 It is perfectly valid, and recommended, to train o... Mar 31 2004, 19:39
phwip Thanks Pio2001, that makes things much clearer for... Mar 31 2004, 22:23
listen I've got a master volume, and also faders for ... Mar 31 2004, 22:44
listen Thanks for the stats sshd..
QUOTE (sshd @ Mar... Apr 1 2004, 05:39
KikeG Ok, I've been quite absent from some time here... Apr 2 2004, 16:40
tigre Thanks for your answer, KikeG. I've been think... Apr 2 2004, 18:08
Pio2001 When you add two sinusoides of different frequenci... Apr 2 2004, 20:56
listen Hi tigre.. I don't have a separate headphone a... Apr 3 2004, 01:38
listen Well, if the difference frequencies appear mostly ... Apr 6 2004, 02:49
Pio2001 What do you mean ? If the 4 kHz frequency of our e... Apr 6 2004, 11:47
listen Oh. .
No, I was thinking of KikeG's speculati... Apr 14 2004, 23:31
listen Well.. I've been busy again, but I see I haven... May 13 2004, 07:30
listen I thought I should clarify this 'result pickin... May 14 2004, 02:11
Pio2001 It's been a long time since I read this thread... May 14 2004, 11:18
listen So, quite sincerely, if my Sennheiser's are no... May 20 2004, 12:50
Pio2001 I don't know, but for me, it was not a waste o... May 20 2004, 16:09
WmAx QUOTE (Pio2001 @ May 20 2004, 07:09 AM)I don... Jun 1 2004, 16:00
Pio2001 Thank you for the link, WmAx, Very interesting.
I... Jun 2 2004, 01:11
WmAx QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jun 1 2004, 04:11 PM)Thank y... Jun 2 2004, 01:52
Pio2001 QUOTE (WmAx @ Jun 2 2004, 01:52 AM)A signfica... Jun 7 2004, 20:43
WmAx QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jun 7 2004, 11:43 AM)[
QUOTE... Jun 7 2004, 22:22
Pio2001 QUOTE (WmAx @ Jun 7 2004, 10:22 PM)Thank you ... Jun 7 2004, 23:06
Pio2001 In French, a positive ABX result between castanet2... Jul 2 2004, 22:01
WmAx I can not read French and a translator makes a mes... Jul 26 2004, 18:55
Pio2001 QUOTE (WmAx @ Jul 26 2004, 06:55 PM)Taking in... Jul 26 2004, 21:09
WmAx QUOTE I agree with you. If we want to prove that u... Jul 26 2004, 21:33
krabapple I'd be curious to know the conclusions of that... Aug 20 2004, 07:27
WmAx QUOTE (krabapple @ Aug 20 2004, 01:27 AM)I... Aug 20 2004, 18:47
Pio2001 I didn't have the time yet to read all this pa... Aug 20 2004, 12:14
WmAx QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Aug 20 2004, 06:14 AM)I didn... Aug 20 2004, 18:33
unfortunateson I created a 96khz sample (a bad electric guitar do... Apr 16 2008, 06:02
Axon Interesting. How did you downsample it? Apr 16 2008, 07:02
unfortunateson QUOTE (Axon @ Apr 15 2008, 23:02) Interes... Apr 16 2008, 07:23
unfortunateson QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Apr 15 2008, 22:0... Apr 17 2008, 22:55
unfortunateson ABX log for 96khz vs 44.1khz resample (r8brain res... Apr 18 2008, 03:47
user You have compared 96-24 vs. 44.1-16.
There were ch... Apr 18 2008, 12:55
unfortunateson QUOTE (user @ Apr 18 2008, 04:55) You hav... Apr 18 2008, 16:19
Nick.C QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Apr 18 2008, 16:1... Apr 18 2008, 16:28
MLXXX I assumed Unfortunateson had left the material at ... Apr 18 2008, 15:11
user Hi MLXXX,
can you also test some other ABX, with ... Apr 18 2008, 16:11
MLXXX Hi user,
I had no desire to introduce an additiona... Apr 18 2008, 16:36![]() ![]() |
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