foo_pod - Foobar2000 meets the iPod, iPod -> Foobar2000 0.8 Options

[dalecooper]

Heh heh. OK, I guess I have an uncomfortable decision to make.

[carmenm]

I have a little problem with the plugin. When i right click on a file from a playlist and goes to foo_pod i dont have send to ipod. I only have send to ipod "send file to ipod as audiobook". How do i manage to have "send file to ipod" ???

[ReD-BaRoN]

I have a little problem with the plugin. When i right click on a file from a playlist and goes to foo_pod i dont have send to ipod. I only have send to ipod "send file to ipod as audiobook". How do i manage to have "send file to ipod" ???

Have you looked at http://www.tinkafoo.com/log/foo_pod.html?

[carmenm]

Yeah i did and that's where i found that i should have the entry in my menu...

[ReD-BaRoN]

Yeah i did and that's where i found that i should have the entry in my menu...

Are you files MP3? If not, do you have transcoding setup? Is your iPod connected? Did you try to mount/eject it from foo_pod?

[carmenm]

All my files are mp3 and yes my ipod is connected. In fact all the others options of foo_pod work perfectly, like editing playlists. Only "send to ipod" does not appear which is quite annoying...

[david_dl]

All my files are mp3 and yes my ipod is connected. In fact all the others options of foo_pod work perfectly, like editing playlists. Only "send to ipod" does not appear which is quite annoying...

Are you sure that Send to iPod is in your context menu? I found that after reinstalling some plugins that were previously installed some menu items vanished, check Core->Context menu items in settings.

[david_dl]

Hmm, foo_pod sounds like the best solution to this issue. Will it ever support cuesheets/ CD images? I can't imagine this being particularly hard to implement, as they will  always need to be transcoded, and diskwriter (which AFAIK foo_pod's transcoding is based on) supports them. For me this makes it all but completely useless. It would also be nice if it didnt completely block the entire foobar GUI during the transfer.

It would be nice if the source was open and add that support yourself, eh?

That would be nice too, although starting over is also an option (I remember iTunesDB code is available, written by Otto42 from memory). However foo_sendtopod+iTunes is doing a good job for me at the moment. Not having replaygain is the main annoyance, but it just occurred to me, what if I modified foo_pod to apply replaygain when transcoding, and use mp3gain when not transcoding? The only files left unreplaygained would be AAC, but I only have one album of these which can easily be re-ripped to wavpack like everything else.

Not the ultimate, best, or even a proper solution, and I know I will never be happy with it just because its not the best way, but it would be better than what I'm currently doing.

Edit: It seems something called AACGain exists...

This post has been edited by david_dl: Jan 28 2006, 00:25

[carmenm]

Are you sure that Send to iPod is in your context menu? I found that after reinstalling some plugins that were previously installed some menu items vanished, check Core->Context menu items in settings.

Thank you, that was that. I reset the context menu and know everything is ok!!!!!!!

[Veritas]

Here is what I've learned from my experiments with modifying the iTunNORM values to reflect Replaygain settings. (Before doing this I backed up my full iTunes Library XML and ITL files from the iTunes folder, and deleted the main files to force iTunes to create a new set)

First, I ran the Replaygain Scanner in foobar to calculate the album gain values. Then I ran them through Soundcheck in iTunes and closed iTunes. After converting the Replaygain album gain values to hexadecimal I modified the first value in the iTunNORM string to reflect the new gain setting. I then deleted the iTunes Library XML and ITL again and added the folders to iTunes.

As long as only the first value of the iTunNORM string was modified iTunes recognized and used that value for its Soundcheck settings. Also noteworthy was that iTunes apparently DID continue to read the iTunNORM value after initially adding it to the library. I was able to modify the tag and change the volume without having to delete the library and reimport the files. However, if I deleted the iTunNORM frame from the file, iTunes used whatever value I had last entered. If the iTunes library was then deleted, any file missing the iTunNORM frame was re-analyzed by Soundcheck.

Additionally, if I deleted the other values in the iTunNORM string iTunes no longer recognized it. Similar to deleting the frame entirely, it would use whatever the last gain setting was. If I deleted the iTunes library it would re-analyze the file and overwrite the modified iTunNORM string.

None of this information is too earth-shattering, but iTunes' continued interaction with the iTunNORM value is noteworthy. This means that the values can be modified without having to delete the iTunes library XML and ITL files. So play counts and play dates can be retained.

This post has been edited by Veritas: Jan 30 2006, 06:56

[warhog4ever]

Any chance of iPod 5G support? I've been using foo_pod with my 3G for ages, and I love it. I might be switching to Anapod for my new 5G when it arrives... since I don't see how it would work for video and such to be integrated from foobar... but I gotta say, I LOVE this plugin. Thanks man.

[warhog4ever]

I had a thought. Does foo_pod still work with the latest firmware?

If it does... then I could still use it for my music (just not my videos and images) which would be GREAT!

My bad, I should've read the topic first. Please get a new iPod so we can get new firmware support soon! =D I know that's asking a lot... lol. You should start a paypal fund, I'm sure plenty of people would like to see new iPod support. =) You'd get a new iPod out of the deal and we'd get foobar support, I'm not complaining! =D

This post has been edited by warhog4ever: Jan 31 2006, 23:42

[Raja]

Okay, so it's been a while since I've paid attention to this thread.

I have a version of foo_pod installed already. I don't know which one it is, but it's pretty old. At least a few months, if not more.

I also have iTunes on my computer. Pretty sure my iTunes is ancient as well.

The firmware on my 40 GB 4G iPod hasn't been updated in some time either. Probably because of what I am posting below, for some reason.

I can remember checking in here a while back. I remember hearing warnings about using foo_pod with a certain firmware, or with a certain iTunes, or that a version of foo_pod would destroy something. Something to that effect.

Now, I notice that foo_pod 0.9.9m has been released. Are there any MAJOR issues? As in, if I upgrade, will it do something to my iPod?

Basically what I am asking is this: if I upgrade to the latest iTunes, the latest iPod firmware, and the latest foo_pod, will something break?

Just an FYI, but I did read the web page with info about the foo_pod plugin before I posted this, and I cannot see that my concerns are adequately addressed there.

Thanks for an answer!

[ReD-BaRoN]

Okay, so it's been a while since I've paid attention to this thread.

I have a version of foo_pod installed already.  I don't know which one it is, but it's pretty old.  At least a few months, if not more.

I also have iTunes on my computer.  Pretty sure my iTunes is ancient as well.

The firmware on my 40 GB 4G iPod hasn't been updated in some time either.  Probably because of what I am posting below, for some reason.

I can remember checking in here a while back.  I remember hearing warnings about using foo_pod with a certain firmware, or with a certain iTunes, or that a version of foo_pod would destroy something.  Something to that effect.

Now, I notice that foo_pod 0.9.9m has been released.  Are there any MAJOR issues?  As in, if I upgrade, will it do something to my iPod?

Basically what I am asking is this:  if I upgrade to the latest iTunes, the latest iPod firmware, and the latest foo_pod, will something break?

Just an FYI, but I did read the web page with info about the foo_pod plugin before I posted this, and I cannot see that my concerns are adequately addressed there.

Thanks for an answer!

The only problem you will have is if you upgrade to a recent version of Itunes. The issue is that foo_pod doesn't yet support the latest iTunesDB version. If you write a foo_pod DB out to the iPod, iTunes will no longer be able to read it.

[spanky1406]

Is foo_pod able to sync ratings, playcounts and last_played info between ipod and the foobar database?

E.g. I'm sending songs to my ipod, play the songs on ipod and change the rating. Now I want to sync this changes with my foobar database. How can I do this?

[ReD-BaRoN]

Is foo_pod able to sync ratings, playcounts and last_played info between ipod and the foobar database?

E.g. I'm sending songs to my ipod, play the songs on ipod and change the rating. Now I want to sync this changes with my foobar database. How can I do this?

How do you change the rating from the iPod?

[Veritas]

I don't know about earlier iPods, but with a 5G you push the select (center) button twice at the now playing screen. The track length bar then changes to the ratings bar and you can scroll the rating up or down.

[spanky1406]

Is foo_pod able to sync ratings, playcounts and last_played info between ipod and the foobar database?

E.g. I'm sending songs to my ipod, play the songs on ipod and change the rating. Now I want to sync this changes with my foobar database. How can I do this?

How do you change the rating from the iPod?

Sorry, I did not express myself correctly: I load songs on the iPod without ratings, value it there and would like to receive these ratings in my foobar database.

[ReD-BaRoN]

Is foo_pod able to sync ratings, playcounts and last_played info between ipod and the foobar database?

E.g. I'm sending songs to my ipod, play the songs on ipod and change the rating. Now I want to sync this changes with my foobar database. How can I do this?

How do you change the rating from the iPod?

Sorry, I did not express myself correctly: I load songs on the iPod without ratings, value it there and would like to receive these ratings in my foobar database.

I don't think this works this way, i.e. foo_pod only syncs to the iPod, not the other way around.

Anyone else know for sure?

[Raja]

The only problem you will have is if you upgrade to a recent version of Itunes. The issue is that foo_pod doesn't yet support the latest iTunesDB version. If you write a foo_pod DB out to the iPod, iTunes will no longer be able to read it.

Okay. I just checked my iTunes version, and it stands at 4.8.x, so I'm good there.

I can still apply updates to foo_pod and iPod firmware though, correct?

[drbeachboy]

The only problem you will have is if you upgrade to a recent version of Itunes. The issue is that foo_pod doesn't yet support the latest iTunesDB version. If you write a foo_pod DB out to the iPod, iTunes will no longer be able to read it.

Okay. I just checked my iTunes version, and it stands at 4.8.x, so I'm good there.

I can still apply updates to foo_pod and iPod firmware though, correct?

I have a 20G 4G iPod and I have had no problems using the 01-10-2006 Updater with foo_pod v0.9.9m, using the 4.7 DB format. I do not use my iPod with iTunes at all, so I cannot vouch as to whether or not you'll encounter any problems while connected to iTunes.

[david_dl]

The only problem you will have is if you upgrade to a recent version of Itunes. The issue is that foo_pod doesn't yet support the latest iTunesDB version. If you write a foo_pod DB out to the iPod, iTunes will no longer be able to read it.

Okay. I just checked my iTunes version, and it stands at 4.8.x, so I'm good there.

I can still apply updates to foo_pod and iPod firmware though, correct?

I have a 20G 4G iPod and I have had no problems using the 01-10-2006 Updater with foo_pod v0.9.9m, using the 4.7 DB format. I do not use my iPod with iTunes at all, so I cannot vouch as to whether or not you'll encounter any problems while connected to iTunes.

I used the exact same combination, foo_pod worked in a way, except I got duplicate entries for some artists, tracks that would not play (it just skipped to the next track when I tried to play them). iTunes refused to display the tracks (the scrollbar showed there were tracks there, but every row was blank). XPlay2 still worked though.

[bobbobbob]

Hi, I want to alter the tags on my iPod without altering the original files ID3 tags (I want to add tracknumbers - they are in the filename but not detected by the iPod as they aren't in the tag). Is this possible at all, whether using foo_pod or anything else (well, except iTunes)? I can't find anything that will do this.

Great work on the plugin btw

This post has been edited by bobbobbob: Feb 7 2006, 23:00

[Raja]

Why wouldn't you want to add tracknumbers to the original tags?

[david_dl]

(well, except iTunes)? I can't find anything that will do this.

Why not iTunes?

Edit: BTW, what you are suggesting is probably not possible. Most ipod software mangles filenames, in which case you won't have the original tracknumbers anymore.

This post has been edited by david_dl: Feb 8 2006, 10:18