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[USELESS] Is Ogg Vorbis aoTuV b2 Q=4,44, transparent for you?
Is Ogg Vorbis aoTuV b2 Q=4,44 transparent for you?
Is Ogg Vorbis aoTuV b2 Q=4,44 transparent for you?
ALWAYS (100% of my music is transparent) [ 14 ] ** [38.89%]
ALMOST (only few killer samples known in my music) [ 10 ] ** [27.78%]
SOMETIMES (I can see difference almost always ...) [ 8 ] ** [22.22%]
NEVER (I always hear difference) [ 4 ] ** [11.11%]
Total Votes: 85
  
Celsus
post Jul 11 2004, 20:18
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Is Ogg Vorbis aoTuV b2 Q=4,44 transparent for you?

I mean YOUR music, not special killer samples. If it is not transparent, please tell me in what?
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Frank Bicking
post Jul 11 2004, 21:32
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8 people have voted so far, which would mean that 8 people are actually using 4.44 or have at least verified their claims in various blind tests. Now, how realistic is that? I rather smell eight TOS#8 violations.


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post Jul 11 2004, 21:56
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QUOTE (Frank_Bicking @ Jul 11 2004, 11:32 PM)
8 people have voted so far, which would mean that 8 people are actually using 4.44 or have at least verified their claims in various blind tests. Now, how realistic is that? I rather smell eight TOS#8 violations.
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Well, read carefully. People select CLOSEST answer. Purpose of this topic is to answer how aoTuV b2 at 4.44 works for normal use, that`s why blind test SHOULD NOT BE USED, i dont ask for results of blind test...
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post Jul 11 2004, 22:00
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QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 09:56 PM)
QUOTE (Frank_Bicking @ Jul 11 2004, 11:32 PM)
8 people have voted so far, which would mean that 8 people are actually using 4.44 or have at least verified their claims in various blind tests. Now, how realistic is that? I rather smell eight TOS#8 violations.
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Well, read carefully. People select CLOSEST answer. Purpose of this topic is to answer how aoTuV b2 at 4.44 works for normal use, that`s why blind test SHOULD NOT BE USED, i dont ask for results of blind test...
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People answered for "non-transparency". This statement could be questioned. ABX test should prove the validity of that.
People answered for "full-transparency". ABX tests could bring them to reconsider an optimistic feeling (artifacts might be revealed by an attentive comparison, ruining their immediate "transparency" feeling).
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post Jul 11 2004, 22:06
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jul 12 2004, 12:00 AM)
QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 09:56 PM)
QUOTE (Frank_Bicking @ Jul 11 2004, 11:32 PM)
8 people have voted so far, which would mean that 8 people are actually using 4.44 or have at least verified their claims in various blind tests. Now, how realistic is that? I rather smell eight TOS#8 violations.
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Well, read carefully. People select CLOSEST answer. Purpose of this topic is to answer how aoTuV b2 at 4.44 works for normal use, that`s why blind test SHOULD NOT BE USED, i dont ask for results of blind test...
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People answered for "non-transparency". This statement could be questioned. ABX test should prove the validity of that.
People answered for "full-transparency". ABX tests could bring them to reconsider an optimistic feeling (artifacts might be revealed by an attentive comparison, ruining their immediate "transparency" feeling).
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They wote for (non)transparency of their music in everyday use. It is very possible that ABXing will cause to change vote. This poll is not to answer - "is aoTuV b2 at 4.44 transparent for all?" or "is aoTuV b2 at 4.44 transparent for each user after ABXing?" but "is aoTuV b2 at 4.44 transaprent (or not) when people run their foobar/winamp/etc. and play compressed music and hear difference or not... w/o trying to hear these differences"
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- Celsus   [USELESS] Is Ogg Vorbis aoTuV b2 Q=4,44   Jul 11 2004, 20:18
- - Latexxx   Why q 4,44?   Jul 11 2004, 20:20
|- - Celsus   QUOTE (Latexxx @ Jul 11 2004, 10:20 PM)Why q ...   Jul 11 2004, 20:23
|- - Dibrom   QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 11:23 AM)QUOTE (...   Jul 11 2004, 20:56
|- - Celsus   QUOTE (Dibrom @ Jul 11 2004, 10:56 PM)QUOTE (...   Jul 11 2004, 21:02
- - DreamTactix291   I suppose aoTuV b2 at 4.44 would be transparent en...   Jul 11 2004, 21:06
- - analogy   For portable use, I'll encode at Q0 to save sp...   Jul 11 2004, 21:08
- - Latexxx   What bitrate does q 4,44 represent?   Jul 11 2004, 21:14
- - DreamTactix291   Nominal of 142.1kbps.   Jul 11 2004, 21:15
|- - Celsus   QUOTE (DreamTactix291 @ Jul 11 2004, 11:15 PM...   Jul 11 2004, 21:17
- - Latexxx   Why q 4.44 why not 4, 4.5 or 5?   Jul 11 2004, 21:21
|- - Celsus   QUOTE (Latexxx @ Jul 11 2004, 11:21 PM)Why q ...   Jul 11 2004, 21:28
- - Frank_Bicking   8 people have voted so far, which would mean that ...   Jul 11 2004, 21:32
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Frank_Bicking @ Jul 11 2004, 09:32 PM)...   Jul 11 2004, 21:35
|- - Celsus   QUOTE (Frank_Bicking @ Jul 11 2004, 11:32 PM)...   Jul 11 2004, 21:56
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 09:56 PM)QUOTE (...   Jul 11 2004, 22:00
|- - Celsus   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jul 12 2004, 12:00 AM)QUO...   Jul 11 2004, 22:06
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 10:06 PM)but ...   Jul 11 2004, 22:15
- - DeeZi   A few preecho optimations should be done. Like in ...   Jul 11 2004, 21:33
- - eagleray   4.99 would make more sense to me as that is the cu...   Jul 11 2004, 22:11
- - Celsus   Ok, so we advice all people to do ABX But poll is...   Jul 11 2004, 22:30
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 10:30 PM)Ok, so ...   Jul 11 2004, 22:34
- - Celsus   I think that problem is on reader side. If poll is...   Jul 11 2004, 22:51
|- - indybrett   QUOTE (Celsus @ Jul 11 2004, 04:51 PM)I don...   Jul 11 2004, 23:26
|- - Atlantis   QUOTE (indybrett @ Jul 12 2004, 12:26 AM)QUOT...   Jul 12 2004, 07:54
- - Celsus   Well, everyone here has right to have his opinion....   Jul 12 2004, 09:25


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