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Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

this is the disc i burn recently




its sold as Verbatim DataLife Plus 52X (SuperAzo)
the casing is different from the picture above
but the disc is exactly the same
the manufacturer is Mitsubishi Chemicals Corp.

I burn the disc with my writer (artec WRR-52X)
at 40X

C2 scan with samsung sc-152l cd-rom

C2 scan with the writer


C1/C2 scan for the same disc burn at 40X
by other ppl (from dolphine review)


QUOTED from dolphinereview
Compared to the discs burned at 48x, this is a MAJOR improvement! However we are still seeing way too many C1 errors being reported near the end of this disc, and still even a small amount of C2 errors on the low speed test, and a slightly larger amount on the highspeed scan. This does bode well for this media type however, since it means that they will likely perform better at yet slower burn speeds. I thought perhaps all the data on this disc might have been readable, despite the high number of C1 errors, and the appearance of C2 error, but when I ran scandisc on the CD, 2 files came up as unreadable... so perhaps the next test will succeed?




is the disc not suitable to be writen at 40X?
but my burner itself report no C2 errors.
its certified for 52X!
don't tell me i have to use 32X?


anybody else here use Verbatim
what's the result? is it compatible with other
readers when burn with high speed

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #1 –
I think I tried to burn exactly this type of CD-R, and my 24* burner determined that this disc could only be burned at a maximum of 16* speed. So there is something wrong with these discs (or at least with some of them).

But: the "Super Azo Layer" really makes them strong, I had a bad write, got angry and tried to break the disc, but it only bent and sprung back to the original shape
Life is Real...
(But not in audio :) )

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #2 –
i did another c2 scan for
Yamaha for Disc T@2 16X (MetalAzo) i burnt last year (Dec 03)
the manufacturer is Mitsubishi Chemicals Corp.

the CD is burnt at 32X, 2 times  over the rated speed, 16X

C2 scan with samsung sc-152l cd-rom

artec wrr-52x cd-writer


very confusing, this time samsung seemed to read
CD-R correctly, no C2 at the end

SuperAzo should be more "super" than MetalAzo!

but SuperAzo burnt at 40X is harder to read than MetalAzo burnt at 32X?????
I'm thinking of using MetalAzo again
but i don't see Verbatim sell MetalAzo anymore!

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #3 –
Quote
I think I tried to burn exactly this type of CD-R, and my 24* burner determined that this disc could only be burned at a maximum of 16* speed. So there is something wrong with these discs (or at least with some of them).


what?
My burner is a bit overconfident in everything

Yamaha disc T@2 certified for 16X, can be burnt at 32X

and of course, SuperAzo can be burnt at 52X

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #4 –
I had the same problems with Verbatim SuperAzo. I've got a Yamaha CRW3200. At 24x (max for my burner), they have C2 errors, which should never happen. I immediately stopped using them.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #5 –
Could somebody tell me what the maximum number of allowed C1 errors is?

Anyways, here are my results for Verbatim DataLife Plus (written at 48x):

Quote
General Information
Drive: LITE-ON LTR-52246S     
Firmware: 6S0F
Disc: Data CD (Verbatim)
Selected speed: 52 X
C1 errors
Maximum: 13
Average: 0.92
Total: 4406
C2 errors
Maximum: 0
Average: 0.00
Total: 0
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Number of samples: 4427
Average scanning interval: 1.08 sec
Glitches removed: 0

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #6 –
With a calibrated professional drive running at 1x, the maximum allowed is 220 per second averaged on 10 seconds.

The C2 error rate should be around 1 per hour or less.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #7 –
i got at lieon52327s
only got some small c1 erros with burnspeed of 40x
maximum c1 erros was 16 at one time (tested with nero cdspeed 3.10)
Sven Bent - Denmark

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #8 –
Quote
With a calibrated professional drive running at 1x, the maximum allowed is 220 per second averaged on 10 seconds.

The C2 error rate should be around 1 per hour or less.
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So, would you say that my values are normal?

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #9 –
Yes they are. I get similar ones from most CDRs.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #10 –
pio2001

can u explain why the SuperAzo i burnt
is "c2 free" when scan with my burner itself

but the reader, samsung  show thousands of c2 errors at the end of the disc?

my Samsung is 3 yrs old
is it bcoz the laser is old, so it cannot read disc as
good as new

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #11 –
Different readers read differently.  It is not uncommon to have differing results from different drives.
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #12 –
Either your burner or your reader doesn't like the cds.

Verbatim DataLife Plus gives consistently good results on the lite-on and plextor burners I've tried it with.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #13 –
then,

should i keep this cd or just throw it away

as i said

my writer can read the disc flawlessly ( no c2),
samsung can read it flawlessly too (but too many C2 reported)
the read speed is also inconsistent at the end of the disc

should i keep this cd or just throw it away???

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #14 –
maybe you shoudl throw away you samsung ? :-)
btw tjek if ther is a biig white sticker with a "R" on the drive.
that stand for refurbished and my experience selling theese is ...they SUCK bigtime..

They had a failure rate of above 50% in 6 months.

I'm probaly violationg the TOS #8 as i make statements about qualiyy (or the lack thereof) without ABX proffs... :-)
Sven Bent - Denmark

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #15 –
It's OK. I don't think that people returning broken drives were placebo.

Kotrtim, if this CD is the only one showing c2 errors at this absolute time of the track on your drive, then copy it on another CD that doesn't give any C2 error.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #16 –
i guess my drive doesn't support C1 

ATIP codes
Code: [Select]
97,15,00,    97,25,00,    .TDK Corporation
97,15,10,    97,31,00,    .Ritek Co.
97,15,20,    97,34,20,    .Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
97,15,30,    00,00,00,    .Nan Ya Plastics Corporation
97,16,30,    97,31,30,    .Grand Advance Technology Ltd.
97,17,00,    00,00,00,    .Moser Baer India Limited
97,18,10,    00,00,00,    .Wealth Fair Investment Limited
97,18,60,    00,00,00,    .Taroko International Co., Ltd.
97,21,30,    00,00,00,    .Bestdisc Technology Corporation
97,21,40,    00,00,00,    .Optical Disc Manufacturing Equipment
97,21,50,    00,00,00,    .Sound Sound Multi-Media Development Limited
97,22,00,    00,00,00,    .Woongjin Media corp.
97,22,10,    00,00,00,    .Seantram Technology Inc.
97,22,30,    00,00,00,    .Eximpo
97,22,40,    97,45,40,    .CIS Technology Inc.
97,22,50,    97,46,10,    .Hong Kong Digital Technology Co., Ltd.
97,22,60,    97,45,20,    .Acer Media Technology, Inc.
97,23,00,    97,49,60,    .Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
97,23,10,    00,00,00,    .Doremi Media Co.,Ltd.
97,23,20,    00,00,00,    .Nacar Media srl
97,23,30,    00,00,00,    .Audio Distributors Co., Ltd.
97,23,40,    97,49,40,    .Victor Company of Japan, Limited
97,23,50,    00,00,00,    .OPTROM.INC.
97,23,60,    00,00,00,    .Customer Pressing Oosterhout
97,24,00,    97,46,00,    .Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
97,24,10,    00,00,00,    .SONY Corporation
97,24,20,    97,46,30,    .Computer Support Italy s.r.l.
97,24,30,    97,45,10,    .UNITECH JAPAN INC.
97,24,40,    00,00,00,    .kdg mediatech AG
97,24,50,    97,45,50,    .Guann Yinn Co.,Ltd.
97,24,60,    00,00,00,    .Harmonic Hall Optical Disc Ltd.
97,25,01,    00,00,00,    .MPO
97,25,20,    97,47,10,    .Hitachi Maxell, Ltd.
97,25,30,    97,51,20,    .Infodisc Technology Co., Ltd.
97,25,40,    00,00,00,    .Vivastar AG.
97,25,50,    00,00,00,    .AMS Technology Inc.
97,25,60,    97,45,60,    .Xcitek Inc.
97,26,00,    97,45,00,    .FORNET INTERNATIONAL PTE Ltd.
97,26,10,    97,47,40,    .POSTECH Corporation
97,26,20,    00,00,00,    .SKC Co., Ltd.
97,26,30,    00,00,00,    .OPTICAL DISC CORPRATION
97,26,40,    97,46,40,    .FUJI Photo Film Co., Ltd.
97,26,50,    97,48,60,    .Lead Data Inc.
97,26,60,    97,46,60,    .CMC Magnetics Corporation
97,27,01,    97,48,40,    .Digital Storage Technology Co., Ltd.
97,27,10,    97,48,20,    .Plasmon Data systems Ltd.
97,27,20,    97,47,20,    .Princo Corporation
97,27,30,    97,48,30,    .Pioneer Video Corporation
97,27,40,    97,48,10,    .Kodak Japan Limited
97,27,50,    97,48,50,    .Mitsui Chemicals, Inc.
97,27,60,    97,48,00,    .Ricoh Company Limited
97,28,00,    97,49,30,    .Opti.Me.S. S.p.A.
97,28,10,    97,49,10,    .GIGASTORAGE CORPORATION
97,28,20,    97,46,20,    .Multi Media Masters & Machinary SA
97,28,30,    97,46,50,    .Auvistar Industry Co.,Ltd.
97,28,40,    97,49,20,    .King Pro Mediatek Inc.
97,28,50,    00,00,00,    .DELPHI TECHNOLOGY INC.
97,28,60,    00,00,00,    .Friendly CD-Tek Co.
97,29,00,    00,00,00,    .Taeil Media Co.,Ltd.
97,29,10,    97,50,10,    .Vanguard Disc Inc.
97,29,20,    00,00,00,    .Unidisc Technology Co., Ltd.
97,29,30,    97,51,50,    .Hile Optical Disc Technology Corp.
97,29,40,    00,00,00,    .Viva Magnetics Limited
97,29,50,    00,00,00,    .General Magnetics Ld
97,30,10,    97,50,30,    .CDA Datentrager Albrechts GmbH
97,32,00,    97,49,00,    .TDK Corporation
97,32,10,    97,47,60,    .Prodisc Technology Inc.
97,47,50,    00,00,00,    .Ritek Co.
97,50,20,    00,00,00,    .Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
97,51,10,    00,00,00,    .Grand Advance Technology Ltd.





ooops, the disc "verbatim Datalife Plus 52X"
that i mentioned and used above is different when
read with different CD identifier


CDSpeed 3
Quote
Manufacturer :    Verbatim
code :            97m34s23f
Recording Layer : Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (cyanine, AZO)
capacity :        79:59:73
                  703 MB


CDR Media Code Identifier 1.63
Quote
ATIP:               97m34s23f
Disc Manufacturer : Mitsubishi Chemicals Corp.
Recording Layer :  Dye (Long Strategy; e.g. Cyanine,AZO etc.)
nominal Capacity :  702.83MB (79m 59m 73f/LBA: 359848)


Feurio
Quote
No recordable medium
Maximum leadout position: 79:59
Manufacturer of CD-R:     Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation (Type 3)
Disk ID:                  00074F81



refer to the ATIP code, there's nothing "97m34s23f"

refering to this page
http://cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_dye.shtml

Mitsubishi only manufacture
type 0 and type 1

refering to this page
http://cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/verbatim.shtml

the ATIP codes for Mitsubishi is
97m 34s 21f
97m 34s 20f



now i get a 97m34s23f and type 3!
is it a fake mitsubishi?
why cdspeed shows different manufacturer from CDIdentifier
and feurio?
Verbatim manufacture CD-R too?

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #17 –
Mitsubishi Chemicals is Verbatim's parent company. The pages linked to above obviously need to be updated re: the dye types.

The C1/C2 counts will vary from drive to drive, thus the results of such test are best compared with those done on the same drive (at least the same model). The fact that different utilities will report different numbers (though the pattern should be the same) for the same disc on the same drive doesn't make it any more simple. E.g., PlexTools Pro will report more C1 errors than nero CD Speed. Furthermore, drive A may produce excellent results with  media X but not Y;  while the reverse may be true for drive B.

That said, I've had great results with Verbatim DataLifePlus 52X on Plextor Premium and Plextor PX-712A, though both drives like Taiyo Yuden media better. Surprisingly, burning at 16X as opposed to 52X increased the C1 counts, though not by much (~6000 and ~4000, respectively).

I'd say: ditch that Samsung and keep the CD-R. =)

The CD's sturdiness has nothing to do with the dye, of course. The extra protective layer (on the label side) probably does.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #18 –
While the Verbatim/Mitsubishi disks are mechanically strong, they leave a lot to be desired in the reliability and error-free writing departments. I have had bad experiences with these disks. I once used Verbatim CDs ans Moser Baer CDs to back up the same data. After six months of use, the Moser Baer CDs showed little or no C2 errors and the Verbatims had plenty.
I guess the best thing to do is to back up files to hard drives and archive them. That's what I plan to DVD. Optical storage nowadays is too unreliable.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #19 –
Quote
I once used Verbatim CDs ans Moser Baer CDs to back up the same data. After six months of use, the Moser Baer CDs showed little or no C2 errors and the Verbatims had plenty.


Have you already voted in the RIP poll ? http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=17718

You're the first people reporting a Verbatim loosing its data because of aging. Were they real Mitsubishi ones, very very dark blue ?

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #20 –
Quote
Have you already voted in the RIP poll ? http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=17718

You're the first people reporting a Verbatim loosing its data because of aging. Were they real Mitsubishi ones, very very dark blue ?
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Hi, I just voted on that poll. Yes, they were real Mitubishi ones and were very, very dark blue.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #21 –
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While the Verbatim/Mitsubishi disks are mechanically strong, they leave a lot to be desired in the reliability and error-free writing departments. I have had bad experiences with these disks. I once used Verbatim CDs ans Moser Baer CDs to back up the same data. After six months of use, the Moser Baer CDs showed little or no C2 errors and the Verbatims had plenty.
I guess the best thing to do is to back up files to hard drives and archive them. That's what I plan to DVD. Optical storage nowadays is too unreliable.
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What name were the discs marketed under? What was their ATIP?

It is not prudent to trust your backup storage to hard drives that can be absolutely unpredictable, while there is proven, reliable optical media out there.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #22 –
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It is not prudent to trust your backup storage to hard drives that can be absolutely unpredictable, while there is proven, reliable optical media out there.
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It doesn't seem to me that optical media are more reliable that hard drives in any way. In my case, it was exactly the opposite. I used only Mitsui Media CDRs, one of the most reliable brand with Kodak and Tayo Yuden. Nearly all of them, about 40 out of 50 , were completely dead after 4 years, from three different storage locations. They were all kept perfectly scratch free, and actually quite never used in this period, while my oldest hard drive, used about one day out of two during 5 years, is still running perfectly.
All hard drive fail. Nearly all CDR fail. Only Tayo Yuden have such a low failure rate that we can't draw any conclusion yet (exept that they are very reliable).

There is only one way the preserve digital data for years : periodical backups.

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #23 –
Quote
While the Verbatim/Mitsubishi disks are mechanically strong, they leave a lot to be desired in the reliability and error-free writing departments.


???? I'm is just the opposite,

I have very very good experience with the dark dark blue dye
Its sold as Yamaha for Disc T@2

I burnt them at 32X and read them with Samsung Cd-ROM which normally never report CD-R without C2, and guess what? Samsung report no C2 at all for the dark blue ones.

I checked back the dark blue disc i burnt last year with both of my drive, and both report no C2 at all!

Verbatim DataLife Plus (SuperAzo)

Reply #24 –
PIO 2001
wow, ,u have 2 5 year-old HDDs which are still alive

My first WDC HDD, 20GB died after 1 and a half year, so I never trust HDD anymore.......

any tips on how to make HDD live longer?