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mpc on my palm pilot

so my rio karma broke down, again! it's really annoying. So now I'm stuck listening to mp3's on my palm pilot via real player. But, given the power and programmability of the platform (and those weird sounds that real gives off in it's so-so mp3 playback...) are there any mpc programs for the palm?

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so my rio karma broke down, again! it's really annoying. So now I'm stuck listening to mp3's on my palm pilot via real player. But, given the power and programmability of the platform (and those weird sounds that real gives off in it's so-so mp3 playback...) are there any mpc programs for the palm?
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I do not think so.
flac > schiit modi > schiit magni > hd650

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so my rio karma broke down, again! it's really annoying. So now I'm stuck listening to mp3's on my palm pilot via real player. But, given the power and programmability of the platform (and those weird sounds that real gives off in it's so-so mp3 playback...) are there any mpc programs for the palm?
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Does that imply that the Karma can play mpc?

Pocket tunes for palm (available from [a href="http://www.palmgear.com]palmgear.com[/url] ) will play mp3, ogg/vorbis, wma

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Pocket tunes for palm (available from palmgear.com ) will play mp3, ogg/vorbis, wma
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I mailed back and forth with the Pocket Tunes developers about adding MPC support, and they were going to send me an SDK or something, but they never did. Maybe if more people pushed for support, we could get somewhere. Write to: .

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Put your Palm in ebay and got a PocketPC. Then use

http://corecodec.org/projects/betaplayer

and all is fine, including MPC and matroska support   .....

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org
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looks interesting. I'm not sure if I'd be willing to take the plunge, as I don't feel like transferring all of my contacts, etc.

so, what's it like? the site you linked was pretty bare bones.. and how's battery life? also, which PDA's sound best?

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Put your Palm in ebay and got a PocketPC. Then use

http://corecodec.org/projects/betaplayer

and all is fine, including MPC and matroska support   .....

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org
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Hi Christian,

does betaplayer really play MPC files, now ?!
greeeeaaaaaaaaaaat news !
(as I have an ARM based Pocket-PC for GPS navigation in car, cpu is 400 MHz intel or such, bought in last spring)

imo, this would be such great news, we would need more publication for this.

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if I'm correct, the tungsten series of palm's also feature ARM processors...

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if I'm correct, the tungsten series of palm's also feature ARM processors...
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Any Palm running 5.something of the operating system is ARM based, which at this point is all but a couple of the cheapest models.

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http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=9





http://corecodec.org/frs/download.php/147/....STABLE.0.5.exe

http://corecodec.org/frs/download.php/148/....STABLE.0.5.exe

http://corecodec.org/frs/download.php/146/....STABLE.0.5.zip







MPC Portable players for everybody available now !

Probably you own a player already !!!


All those guys with Pocket PC, ARM based, like the last few years GPS-Pocket-PC-navigators etc etc.


I think, we should talk more about this. I just viewed this topic again, and clicked through the beta-player homepage, and found indeed above file downloads, which make me quite sure, that I feel forced to try out those player soon on my Pocket PC 

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I think, we should talk more about this. I just viewed this topic again, and clicked through the beta-player homepage, and found indeed above file downloads, which make me quite sure, that I feel forced to try out those player soon on my Pocket PC 
..... a pitty betaplayer is not available for Palm's, isn't it .....  .....  ....

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..... a pitty betaplayer is not available for Palm's, isn't it .....  .....  ....
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Somebody? is porting it. [a href="http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/]http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/[/url]
MPC support isnt there yet but maybe soon? What I would mostly use it for, that and the acc supports its already got, yep. (wishes)

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..... a pitty betaplayer is not available for Palm's, isn't it .....  .....  ....
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Somebody? is porting it. [a href="http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/]http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/[/url]
MPC support isnt there yet but maybe soon? What I would mostly use it for, that and the acc supports its already got, yep. (wishes)

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Yes, and mpc support on palm os is actually on the roadmap:
[a href="http://corecodec.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=251&group_id=53&atid=288]http://corecodec.org/tracker/index.php?fun..._id=53&atid=288[/url]

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MPC supported added officially in 0.65 for Palm OS (with updated 1.1.1 libmusepack library)
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org

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MPC supported added officially in 0.65 for Palm OS (with updated 1.1.1 libmusepack library)
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YES!

Tested, and it works.

The Vorbis transcoding madness can finally end.

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MPC supported added officially in 0.65 for Palm OS (with updated 1.1.1 libmusepack library)
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YES!

Tested, and it works.

The Vorbis transcoding madness can finally end.
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Great,
finally, we need a thread to gather the many many portable devices together, which play MPC !

* Palm,
* PDA - ARM based (eg. the GPS navigators etc etc.)
* Smartphones, which brands, models ?

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Great,
finally, we need a thread to gather the many many portable devices together, which play MPC !
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I tested on my Palm Tungsten T3.

In my opinion, the player needs some user interface polish. And I don't mean skins. Please no skins - usability improvements rather. But MPC support is a huge leap forward. I can't wait to see where this player is going.

Random info:
MPC decodes at 6.46x realtime.
Vorbis decodes at 7.80x.
MP3 decodes at 8.14x.

Used TCMP benchmark feature.

I expected the numbers to look a little different. I didn't test it with the same song. Tested with different songs in different formats. I'm not sure that matters though.

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In my opinion, the player needs some user interface polish.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=294849"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Sure it does  It's still primarily a video player, but I will focus on audio playback as well in the future.

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Random info: MPC decodes at 6.46x realtime.
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Probably some gcc ARM inline assembly for the multiplication (MPC_MULTIPLY* macros) would help, I was just to lazy to add it...

libmad (mp3) is very well optimized. Both tremor (vorbis) and libmad is using small ARM inlines for multiplications (64bit).

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Here's a more thorough benchmark.

I tried to roughly match the bitrates between formats to minimize differences in file reads. I have no idea is this matters at all.

Song tested: Frank Klepacki - Just Do It Up (from Command & Conquer soundtrack)

Code: [Select]
File duration: 2:22.936
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MP3 --aps (177 kbps):
Average speed: 816.65%
Benchmark time: 0:17.509
-----------------------------
MusePack --xtreme (159 kbps):
Average speed: 622.53%
Benchmark time: 0:22.959
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Vorbis -q6 (167 kbps):
Average speed: 777.67%
Benchmark time: 0:18.379
-----------------------------

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It's still primarily a video player, but I will focus on audio playback as well in the future.
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Good to hear. I'm tired of Pocket Tunes .

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It's slightly off-topic, but I have to say that BetaPlayer on Pocket PC is fantastic. My phone only runs at ~170mhz but it plays MPC files at something like 4x normal speed. I've started to recode all my old 'braindead' mpc files as 'standard' while also backing up as flac. It's meant the files are small enough that I can just copy from my tunes server to the phone without reencoding. If only the interface was nicer and it did the replaygain thang.

I tried aacplus (or whatever its called) but although the files were tiny and sounded okay, the phone couldn't decode them in realtime.

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MPC supported added officially in 0.65 for Palm OS (with updated 1.1.1 libmusepack library)
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org
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Hi, picard,

I have been wondering whether the picard at corecodec and hydrogenaudio is the same. Apparently this is true.

Again my bows to you!

Cheers

johnb

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This is great news!

I just tested TCPM 0.65 with the mpc plug-in on my Tungsten T5 (with Intel® 416 MHz XScale) and it works flawlessly!

mpc 1.15v -q5 ~192kbps @ 679,20%
mpc 1.15v -q5 ~188kbps @ 673,64%
mpc 1.15v -q5 ~177kbps @ 662,46%

All tracks of more than 5 mins.

But yes, the interface needs *some* improvement, at the moment its kinda...erm...skeletal? 

Thank you very much for this great free player! 

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A sanely designed user interface using standard Palm OS widgets would be ideal... unlike Pocket Tunes nonsense.

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i was just "gifted" a zire palm at work and i'll have to play with tcmp now


cool