Any listening test Stereo vs Joint stereo in mp3? |
Any listening test Stereo vs Joint stereo in mp3? |
Jan 14 2005, 14:46
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Hi all,
in many discussions I read about mp3 via Lame encoder the result is that the best solution is joint stereo. I believe in that as the developers who I highly esteem say so. But is this statement supported also by more independent listening tests? Especially I would be interested in comparison between --preset standard (joint stereo) and dtto with stereo mode. Can the result in general depend also on the Lame version? From the tests I could read usually still the old good Lame 3.90.3 comes out as the winner. Cheers, Crazyman |
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Jan 21 2005, 13:55
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![]() LAME developer Group: Developer Posts: 2950 Joined: 1-October 01 From: Nanterre, France Member No.: 138 |
Well, in your case intensity stereo is a good thing compared to l/r stereo, considering that UK DAB is something like 128kbps Layer II.
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Jan 24 2005, 17:00
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![]() ReplayGain developer Group: Developer Posts: 4589 Joined: 5-November 01 From: Yorkshire, UK Member No.: 409 |
QUOTE (Gabriel @ Jan 21 2005, 12:55 PM) Well, in your case intensity stereo is a good thing compared to l/r stereo, considering that UK DAB is something like 128kbps Layer II. Well, yes, but the argument was that joint stereo was OK because (pointers to articles about mp3 joint stereo) - I was trying to argue that, if you _have_ to use joint stereo with mp2, then it can't be transparent - basically because the bitrate is too low. btw (you people in other countries can have a good laugh about this if you want) - UK DAB digital radio is set to change - if the regulator gets its way, the 128kbps limit will be removed, and replaced by a -2.0 diff grade limit. No idea how this will be measured or enforced, but the broadcasters have reportedly asked for this change so they can move stations down to 112kbps mp2 joint stereo. Won't that sound nice? Some people think that DAB stands for Dead And Buried. Cheers, David. |
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crazyman Any listening test Stereo vs Joint stereo in mp3? Jan 14 2005, 14:46
beto This makes no sense, since joint stereo is just a ... Jan 14 2005, 14:51
mithrandir QUOTE (beto @ Jan 14 2005, 08:51 AM)This make... Jan 14 2005, 16:38
Otto42 QUOTE (mithrandir @ Jan 14 2005, 09:38 AM)No,... Jan 14 2005, 16:50
dev0 QUOTE (mithrandir @ Jan 14 2005, 04:38 PM)No,... Jan 14 2005, 18:42
Mark7 QUOTE (dev0 @ Jan 14 2005, 09:42 AM)QUOTE (mi... Jan 14 2005, 19:04
mithrandir QUOTE (dev0 @ Jan 14 2005, 12:42 PM)QUOTE (mi... Jan 14 2005, 22:44
Jojo QUOTE (mithrandir @ Jan 14 2005, 01:44 PM)If ... Jan 15 2005, 01:49
Busemann QUOTE (Jojo @ Jan 14 2005, 04:49 PM)QUOTE (mi... Jan 15 2005, 01:55
Jojo QUOTE (Busemann @ Jan 14 2005, 04:55 PM)QUOTE... Jan 15 2005, 02:03
SirGrey >>No, joint stereo is lossy.
Wrong.
joint-st... Jan 14 2005, 16:48
SirGrey Addenium:
Lots of the confusion goes from Fhg.
The... Jan 14 2005, 16:53
Gray_Wolf This is incredible
Many people in present mome... Jan 14 2005, 17:10
crazyman QUOTE (Gray_Wolf @ Jan 14 2005, 08:10 AM)This... Jan 19 2005, 09:30
Busemann QUOTE (crazyman @ Jan 19 2005, 12:30 AM)Quite... Jan 19 2005, 11:44
crazyman QUOTE (Busemann @ Jan 19 2005, 02:44 AM)QUOTE... Jan 20 2005, 11:29
Jojo The bottom line is that Joint-Stereo used in LAME ... Jan 14 2005, 17:53
2Bdecided The stereo to joint stereo (i.e. L+R>M+S) trans... Jan 17 2005, 16:34
crazyman QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 17 2005, 07:34 AM)The ... Jan 19 2005, 09:25
mithrandir QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 17 2005, 10:34 AM)The ... Jan 20 2005, 05:52
MugFunky guh, why has this myth never been dispelled?
it s... Jan 20 2005, 06:29
DreamTactix291 QUOTE (MugFunky @ Jan 19 2005, 11:29 PM)guh, ... Jan 20 2005, 06:56
Gabriel The M/S stereo transform itself is lossless.
Howev... Jan 20 2005, 09:13
2Bdecided Talk about things coming back to bite you...
I... Jan 21 2005, 12:10
Bogalvator QUOTE (Gabriel @ Jan 21 2005, 04:55 AM)Well, ... Jan 22 2005, 04:49
Gabriel QUOTE but the broadcasters have reportedly asked f... Jan 24 2005, 20:41
Ossie Hi, I just want to check if the following staement... May 21 2005, 10:57
Pio2001 It all depends if the psychoacoustic model can han... May 21 2005, 13:01
Pio2001 Oh, that's not all, you'll have to force m... May 21 2005, 13:07
mjkng2 hey
this is an old article against Joint Stereo: ... Aug 4 2006, 19:20
Garf QUOTE (mjkng2 @ Aug 4 2006, 20:20) hey
t... Aug 5 2006, 09:44
stephanV It's not against JS... it just says that an al... Aug 4 2006, 20:16
Pio2001 I've performed two joint stereo listening test... Aug 4 2006, 22:52
haregoo This sample is ABXable(16/16) even with -V 0 becau... Aug 5 2006, 03:57
Gabriel QUOTE (haregoo @ Aug 5 2006, 04:57) This ... Aug 5 2006, 08:48
haregoo QUOTE (Gabriel @ Aug 5 2006, 16:48) Regar... Aug 5 2006, 14:14![]() ![]() |
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