Flac Doesn't Let Me Embed This Cuesheet, What's wrong with it? |
Flac Doesn't Let Me Embed This Cuesheet, What's wrong with it? |
  Feb 6 2005, 13:43
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Flac (1.1.2) doesn't let me embed the follwing cuesheet
CODE PERFORMER "Performer Name" TITLE "Album Title" FILE "mytestfile.wav" WAVE TRACK 01 AUDIO TITLE "Track01 Title" PERFORMER "Performer Name" INDEX 01 00:00:00 ... with this error: CODE ERROR initializing encoder state= FLAC_STREAM_ENCODER_INVALID_METADATA Is this a bug or there is something wrong with my cuesheet that I can't spot? Cheers Sergio Edit: spelling. If also a mod could fix the topic title... thanks! (Done, thanks to the mod!) Edit2: removed great part of the cuesheet as the problem was not with it (see subsequent posts), to make the thread more readable. Edit3: Modified cuesheet example so that RIAA doesn't sue me, in case I die... This post has been edited by smz: Feb 9 2005, 02:34 -------------------- Sergio
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Feb 10 2005, 12:51
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The cuesheet format screams out "CD-DA". Timestamps are in CD frames.
Hence the checking. -------------------- http://blacksun.ivyro.net/vorbis/vorbisfaq.htm
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Feb 10 2005, 13:17
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Group: Members Posts: 597 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Venezia, Italia Member No.: 12025 |
QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Feb 10 2005, 12:51 PM) The cuesheet format screams out "CD-DA". Timestamps are in CD frames. Hence the checking.  Correct. We are not talking about screwing up the cuesheet standard introducing the possiblity to add non frame aligned timestamps, not at all. We are talking about a lossless codec arbitrarily adding (virtual) data at the end of a stream. Not very lossless, IMHO. @rjamorim: I think this fact should be evidenced in your "Which is the best lossless codec?" thread . Don't you? And while I'm at that, though totally OT, I think that also the borked LA foobar component should be evidenced there. Sergio Edit: spelling. Sh*t, my english is getting worse and worse... 
This post has been edited by smz: Feb 10 2005, 13:22 -------------------- Sergio
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Feb 12 2005, 03:24
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QUOTE (smz @ Feb 10 2005, 10:17 AM) Correct. We are not talking about screwing up the cuesheet standard introducing the possiblity to add non frame aligned timestamps, not at all. We are talking about a lossless codec arbitrarily adding (virtual) data at the end of a stream. Not very lossless, IMHO. It's up to the lossless decoder to decide what to do at the end if there's a misalignment. I would believe any sane decoder would just stop decoding no matter if the CUE claims there should be data ahead of the end. What would be the practical purpose of filling the decode/playback with zeroes anyway? QUOTE @rjamorim: I think this fact should be evidenced in your "Which is the best lossless codec?" thread . Don't you? I don't. I think it's completely outside of the scope of a lossless codec to decide whether to accept a CUE sheet or not based on the amount of samples. What now, will FLAC also refuse to embed CUE sheets on tracks at 48khz? Or at 24 bit depth? Because these aren't CDDA for sure. WavPack isn't anal about this subject because David doesn't try to know better than the user. He knows damn well audio editors can create cue sheets, completely misaligned and on audio tracks not following CDDA. He also knows that an user may have a wav+cue rip, decide to cut a part of the ending of the file (for ANY reason he deemed appropriate - David isn't judging) and then decided to embed the cuesheet. Samples will be missing at the end, but so what? I think the users are smart enough to take their own decidions. And even if they aren't, it's not up to the lossless codec to take that decision. That is a very arrogant and paternalistic behaviour, IMO. QUOTE And while I'm at that, though totally OT, I think that also the borked LA foobar component should be evidenced there. I might make a note about it on the LA entry, but I won't put it on the cons. It's not the codec that is broken - it's the interface made to interact foobar and the decoder. If the decoder itself was broken, it would be a different story altogether... -------------------- Get up-to-date binaries of Lame, AAC, Vorbis and much more at RareWares:
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Feb 12 2005, 03:38
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 12 2005, 03:24 AM) QUOTE @rjamorim: I think this fact should be evidenced in your "Which is the best lossless codec?" thread . Don't you? I don't. I think it's completely outside of the scope of a lossless codec to decide whether to accept a CUE sheet or not based on the amount of samples. I didn't explain myself well... I think that this cuesheet embedding issue should be accounted between the "cons"... QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 12 2005, 03:24 AM) QUOTE And while I'm at that, though totally OT, I think that also the borked LA foobar component should be evidenced there. I might make a note about it on the LA entry, but I won't put it on the cons. It's not the codec that is broken - it's the interface made to interact foobar and the decoder. If the decoder itself was broken, it would be a different story altogether... I agree: just a WARNING This post has been edited by smz: Feb 12 2005, 03:39 -------------------- Sergio
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Feb 12 2005, 17:11
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QUOTE (smz @ Feb 12 2005, 12:38 AM) I didn't explain myself well... I think that this cuesheet embedding issue should be accounted between the "cons"... Well, I don't think the cons would be the right place, since it's not a problem in the codec itself - it's a frontend issue. But I agree, a warning about the frontend being too anal would have its worth. QUOTE I agree: just a WARNING Right  I'll work on it ASAP. I'll add some more info to the table as well. -------------------- Get up-to-date binaries of Lame, AAC, Vorbis and much more at RareWares:
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smz Flac Doesn't Let Me Embed This Cuesheet Feb 6 2005, 13:43
BruRob Your third line reads: FILE "Nearness of You-... Feb 6 2005, 14:56
smz QUOTE (BruRob @ Feb 6 2005, 03:56 PM)Your thi... Feb 6 2005, 15:23 smz Sorry to bump this post, but I think I have some (... Feb 6 2005, 20:11 jcoalson I probably cannot tell anything without having the... Feb 7 2005, 05:28 smz QUOTE (jcoalson @ Feb 7 2005, 06:28 AM)I prob... Feb 7 2005, 12:32 lexor QUOTE (smz @ Feb 7 2005, 03:32 AM)QUOTE (jcoa... Feb 7 2005, 13:44 smz QUOTE (lexor @ Feb 7 2005, 02:44 PM)try and s... Feb 7 2005, 14:16 smz Does anybody knows a tool to validate the structur... Feb 8 2005, 12:04 rjamorim QUOTE (smz @ Feb 8 2005, 09:04 AM)Does anybod... Feb 8 2005, 13:21 Synthetic Soul I just tested your WAVE and CUE and got the same r... Feb 8 2005, 13:21 Synthetic Soul QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 8 2005, 12:21 PM)QUOTE ... Feb 8 2005, 13:33 jcoalson I see the problem, but I'm not sure what to do... Feb 8 2005, 19:04 smz Josh, thank-you for analyzing the problem.
Here a... Feb 9 2005, 02:26 Synthetic Soul QUOTE (smz @ Feb 9 2005, 01:26 AM)QUOTE (jcoa... Feb 9 2005, 11:23 kjoonlee IMHO the assumption(s) that flac and metaflac make... Feb 9 2005, 15:22 smz QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Feb 9 2005, 03:22 PM)...
Th... Feb 9 2005, 15:41 rjamorim QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Feb 9 2005, 12:22 PM)One vo... Feb 9 2005, 18:04 jcoalson the majority of cuesheet use is via cuesheets ripp... Feb 9 2005, 18:56 rjamorim QUOTE (jcoalson @ Feb 9 2005, 03:56 PM)the ma... Feb 9 2005, 19:01 m0rbidini I agree with rjamorim and smz. FLAC is making assu... Feb 10 2005, 13:18 m0rbidini Er, correction. I wrote:
QUOTE Cue sheets don... Feb 10 2005, 13:25 Synthetic Soul QUOTE (m0rbidini @ Feb 10 2005, 12:25 PM)... Feb 10 2005, 13:46 jcoalson how is the cuesheet duration specified if there is... Feb 10 2005, 16:24 Synthetic Soul Point taken.
You could ascertain whether the last... Feb 10 2005, 16:30 m0rbidini Meh, I had it "more or less right" the f... Feb 11 2005, 15:09 Synthetic Soul Actually, on re-reading, I think you said it just ... Feb 11 2005, 15:23 smz I would like to make with you all a sanity check o... Feb 12 2005, 01:23 smz One more consideration:
If foobar2000 easly accep... Feb 12 2005, 02:16 rjamorim ... Feb 12 2005, 03:28 jcoalson following up, this is changed in CVS, output now l... Aug 24 2005, 01:27 Synthetic Soul Thanks Josh.
As you say, it's up to the user ... Aug 24 2005, 09:40 |
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