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WMA might take over, many people prefer wma already.
qualityequalizer
post Mar 1 2005, 19:29
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I do not like the attitude in this forum that WMA is some sort of inferior format. In fact if you take a look at the tests (http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html), notice how unfair they are. Notice the average bitrate - wma is 128 while ogg and mpc are 135.
My point is that with wma pro doing much better and Microsoft pushing this format hard and the DM support finding favor with record companies, wma can easily crush the mp3 revolution.

The only way to combat this is to develop OGG to be on equal par with wma (sound quality wise). pretty soon Microsoft will conduct its own tests (obviously biased) that will make them think wma is best.
- I am basing the above on some problems with OGG
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=18359
AND WHAY ARE WE not discussing problems with WMA on this forum?!!!
Are they any problems at all? Sure it might help microsoft a bit but it would show that their format has problems too.


What needs to be done is for fair tests to be made without discrediting wma. Increasing ogg support in hardware players would helpt too.
OGG is the only hope for consumers who want to be free from restrictions when ripping their music- and it has to be pushed..

Otherwise we will all be stuck with wma pro ,,,

Just my opinion ... By the way I hate wma simply because of the DRm thing....I'm sure everyone does. And it is ON by default in WMP contrary to what many Microsoft zealots say.
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JeanLuc
post Mar 1 2005, 22:00
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WMA (especially 9 Pro) can be a competitive codec (quality-wise and filesize-wise) ... but it still is proprietary.

The biggest problem to me is that even modern DAP's refuse to play back the 9.0 Pro files so WMA is no option for me to use it on my portable.


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Duble0Syx
post Mar 1 2005, 22:09
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While WMA may be a fair competitor in the sense of quality, I have to agree with most that it isn't anything special. For lossy music I'll use vorbis over WMA. I think what will eventually kill mp3 off is lossless compression, like FLAC and WavPack. Lossy WMA doesn't stand much of a chance since mp3 is already more compatible with portable device and operating systems. Some portables support WMA, but not all. I think all of them support mp3, I've not seen one that doesn't. But it's really a matter of choice, some people will use a format regardless of it being better or not.
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- qualityequalizer   WMA might take over   Mar 1 2005, 19:29
- - odious malefactor   QUOTE (qualityequalizer @ Mar 1 2005, 10:29 A...   Mar 1 2005, 19:38
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (qualityequalizer @ Mar 1 2005, 03:29 P...   Mar 1 2005, 19:43
|- - Busemann   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 1 2005, 10:43 AM)I feel...   Mar 1 2005, 22:20
- - kwanbis   i won't respond   Mar 1 2005, 19:59
- - indybrett   Another troll. 4 posts and he has the right to que...   Mar 1 2005, 20:12
- - dobz   sooo tempting to bite at this one... but quality ...   Mar 1 2005, 20:14
- - krmathis   WMA is not supported in open-source operating syst...   Mar 1 2005, 21:18
|- - QuantumKnot   QUOTE (solaris @ Mar 2 2005, 06:18 AM)WMA is ...   Mar 2 2005, 00:19
- - Mono   Most of this ground has been covered before; use t...   Mar 1 2005, 21:33
- - Sebastian Mares   QUOTE (qualityequalizer @ Mar 1 2005, 07:29 P...   Mar 1 2005, 21:42
- - JeanLuc   WMA (especially 9 Pro) can be a competitive codec ...   Mar 1 2005, 22:00
|- - Duble0Syx   While WMA may be a fair competitor in the sense of...   Mar 1 2005, 22:09
- - beto   What a bunch of BS..... To the thread starter: R...   Mar 1 2005, 22:17
- - xmixahlx   also lamip & bmp plugins and a cli program, w...   Mar 2 2005, 04:10
- - bubka   doesnt wma use less battery than mp3 at similar bi...   Mar 2 2005, 05:16
- - Gabriel   You know that WmaPro is not the same as Wma standa...   Mar 2 2005, 09:55
- - jtclipper   wma is a dirty format in many aspects....also it r...   Mar 2 2005, 10:34
|- - DonP   QUOTE (jtclipper @ Mar 2 2005, 04:34 AM)So un...   Mar 2 2005, 12:39
- - Lev   QUOTE (bubka @ Mar 2 2005, 05:16 AM)doesnt wm...   Mar 2 2005, 10:48
|- - saverio   QUOTE (bubka @ Mar 2 2005, 05:16 AM)doesnt wm...   Mar 2 2005, 12:28
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (saverio @ Mar 2 2005, 08:28 AM)WMA is ...   Mar 2 2005, 12:58
||- - Busemann   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 2 2005, 03:58 AM)On por...   Mar 2 2005, 13:33
||- - westgroveg   QUOTE (Busemann @ Mar 3 2005, 12:33 AM)QUOTE ...   Mar 2 2005, 14:10
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Mar 2 2005, 10:10 AM)I...   Mar 2 2005, 14:21
|||- - PaleGreen   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 2 2005, 08:21 AM)QUOTE ...   Mar 2 2005, 21:39
|||- - music_man_mpc   QUOTE (PaleGreen @ Mar 2 2005, 12:39 PM)My gi...   Mar 2 2005, 23:14
|||- - PaleGreen   QUOTE (music_man_mpc @ Mar 2 2005, 05:14 PM)Q...   Mar 2 2005, 23:40
|||- - Mo0zOoH   QUOTE (PaleGreen @ Mar 3 2005, 01:40 AM)Her C...   Mar 5 2005, 22:02
|||- - Jojo   QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Mar 5 2005, 01:02 PM)QUOTE (...   Mar 5 2005, 22:11
||- - Jojo   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Mar 2 2005, 05:10 AM)QUOT...   Mar 2 2005, 20:12
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Jojo @ Mar 2 2005, 04:12 PM)yes, that...   Mar 2 2005, 20:27
|- - Busemann   QUOTE (saverio @ Mar 2 2005, 03:28 AM)It shou...   Mar 2 2005, 13:32
- - Benjamin Lebsanft   QUOTE (saverio @ Mar 2 2005, 12:28 PM)I wonde...   Mar 2 2005, 12:32
- - kwanbis   qualityequalizer hasn't even responded back .....   Mar 2 2005, 13:43
|- - indybrett   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Mar 2 2005, 07:43 AM)quality...   Mar 2 2005, 17:24
- - Gabriel   QUOTE Actually, from what I read, Vorbis decoding ...   Mar 2 2005, 20:31
- - atici   I'd say that's the fault of the player (po...   Mar 2 2005, 23:47
|- - plunger   I'll informally test out my Nokia 6230b's ...   Mar 3 2005, 08:16
- - phong   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 2 2005, 07:27 PM)What s...   Mar 3 2005, 19:50
- - Lyx   - Troll - Besides, get an own avatar instead of s...   Mar 3 2005, 20:49
- - ChristianHJW   I feel guilty ! My new smartphone is running ...   Mar 5 2005, 10:12
- - kangaroo   Some of them here have used words like dirty and a...   Mar 5 2005, 10:49
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kangaroo @ Mar 5 2005, 06:49 AM)I sugg...   Mar 5 2005, 12:28
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (kangaroo @ Mar 5 2005, 10:49 AM)I sugg...   Mar 5 2005, 12:31
- - The Irish Man   QUOTE I suggest people to consider WMA coz at 128k...   Mar 5 2005, 13:16
- - Fallen Guru   Maybe someone should start some kind of awareness ...   Mar 5 2005, 15:25
- - qualityequalizer   From what i heard, comparing the two (I will ABX w...   Mar 10 2005, 19:08
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- - kotrtim   WMA might over...but I really hope this will not h...   Mar 11 2005, 07:44
|- - kwanbis   QUOTE (kotrtim @ Mar 11 2005, 06:44 AM)WMA mi...   Mar 11 2005, 13:50
|- - flipik   [/quote] AMEN ... THIS is the major problem the pe...   Mar 11 2005, 17:10
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (flipik @ Mar 11 2005, 01:10 PM)nothing...   Mar 11 2005, 17:22
|- - kwanbis   QUOTE (flipik @ Mar 11 2005, 04:10 PM)nothing...   Mar 11 2005, 18:15
|- - music_man_mpc   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Mar 11 2005, 09:15 AM)QUOTE ...   Mar 11 2005, 19:24
|- - beej   Why would you support a company that does their be...   Mar 11 2005, 19:56
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (beej @ Mar 11 2005, 03:56 PM)And make ...   Mar 11 2005, 22:01
|- - WarChild   I know more people who are curious about ogg than ...   Mar 11 2005, 22:16
|- - beej   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 11 2005, 11:01 PM)Might...   Mar 11 2005, 23:32
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (beej @ Mar 11 2005, 07:32 PM)They are ...   Mar 11 2005, 23:43
|- - beej   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 12 2005, 12:43 AM)If I ...   Mar 12 2005, 00:38
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (beej @ Mar 11 2005, 08:38 PM)I'm n...   Mar 12 2005, 00:42
|- - beej   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 12 2005, 01:42 AM)QUOTE...   Mar 12 2005, 01:12
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (beej @ Mar 11 2005, 09:12 PM)OK if I c...   Mar 12 2005, 01:26
|- - beej   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 12 2005, 02:26 AM)I adm...   Mar 12 2005, 01:46
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (beej @ Mar 11 2005, 09:46 PM)I don...   Mar 12 2005, 01:50
- - bubka   i like wma on my portable, q25 vbr is decent file ...   Mar 11 2005, 07:50
- - CSMR   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Mar 1 2005, 12:42 PM...   Mar 11 2005, 09:39
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- - ddrawley   Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage...   Mar 11 2005, 19:48
- - kwanbis   well ... i agree in parts ... is like saying don...   Mar 12 2005, 00:30
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Mar 11 2005, 08:30 PM)well ....   Mar 12 2005, 00:35
||- - kwanbis   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 11 2005, 11:35 PM)That ...   Mar 12 2005, 01:27
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Mar 11 2005, 09:27 PM)The im...   Mar 12 2005, 01:31
||- - kwanbis   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 12 2005, 12:31 AM)Agree...   Mar 12 2005, 01:50
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Mar 11 2005, 09:50 PM)we can...   Mar 12 2005, 01:58
||- - kwanbis   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 12 2005, 12:58 AM)It...   Mar 12 2005, 02:18
||- - Borisz   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 11 2005, 04:58 PM)If th...   Mar 12 2005, 15:20
|- - flipik   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Mar 12 2005, 01:30 AM)hate t...   Mar 12 2005, 14:53
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|- - sehested   QUOTE (tev777 @ Mar 14 2005, 09:38 AM)First o...   Mar 14 2005, 20:07
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (sehested @ Mar 14 2005, 04:07 PM)Some ...   Mar 14 2005, 20:12
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|- - sehested   QUOTE (phong @ Mar 14 2005, 12:39 PM)Why are ...   Mar 14 2005, 21:48
|- - seanyseansean   QUOTE (phong @ Mar 14 2005, 09:39 PM)This is ...   Mar 15 2005, 14:09
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|- - kwanbis   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 14 2005, 10:49 PM)That...   Mar 15 2005, 04:18
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- - kwanbis   well ... it is what they sell ... ask apple   Mar 15 2005, 13:50
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