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3.90.3 versus 3.96.1, ...it's not what it seems
earphiler
post Mar 6 2005, 05:05
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Take the two LAME versions: 3.90.3 and 3.96.1

Now I'm not going to ask which has been more tested -- the answer is simple. However, I would like to know why you personally choose 3.90.3 or 3.96.1

To me, it makes no difference but I grabbed 3.96.1, I'm too lazy to switch back, no problems here, I'm not too paranoid, and newer just sounds cooler (not to say its better).

Others? I know this thread sounds rather peculiar laugh.gif
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k.eight.a
post Apr 9 2005, 10:35
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 09:09 PM)
3.96.1. 3.90.3 is effete.
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I'm sorry, but I still don't understand what do you mean by that...
Do you mean the discussion about 3.96.1. vs. 3.90.3 ???
QUOTE (LadFromDownUnder @ Mar 6 2005, 02:46 AM)
I switched from 3.90.3 to 3.96.1 for a bit, and noticed an easily discernable degradation when encoding some Strauss and some live Springsteen tracks (and I did ABX checks to confirm my suspicions).  I've since switched back, I'm happy enough with the 3.90.3 encoding times.  I used APS for both encoders.
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Can you post us your ABX results?
I'm still considering switching over to 3.96.1 , later 3.97 stable...


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post Apr 9 2005, 10:43
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QUOTE (k.eight.a @ Apr 9 2005, 10:35 AM)
QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 09:09 PM)
3.96.1. 3.90.3 is effete.
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I'm sorry, but I still don't understand what do you mean by that...
Do you mean the discussion about 3.96.1. vs. 3.90.3 ???


No, the encoder itself. 3.90.3 is a dead branch. Nobody's working on it.
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post Apr 9 2005, 11:46
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Unfortunately, when I was posting my first post to this thread I've read only the first page so there are my reactions... smile.gif

I'm still using Lame 3.90.3 and considering to step further so I'm following similar discussions for a quite while...
QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Mar 7 2005, 12:54 AM)
I think this thread should be a poll, and should have some bearing on the HA recommended version. As it appears thus far that the majority are using 3.96.1, isn't it a little wrong to be recommending 3.90.3?!

Very good point!
QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Mar 7 2005, 12:54 AM)
Whether it is less tested or not, if the majority of the community are using it then surely that is the implied recommendation of that community?

A very good point again!
QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Mar 7 2005, 12:54 AM)
Unfortunately my support is of little benefit, compared to the those great souls who actually conduct the ABX tests which let me make my informed decisions, but it's a camaraderie thing.

Unfortunately me too! sad.gif
QUOTE (VCSkier @ Mar 7 2005, 08:50 AM)
I know a lot of work was put into 3.90.3, and it is undisputedly amazing what Dibrom and others have done with lame.

I think that one of the reasons why are people sticking with 3.90.3 is that Dibrom, the founder of HydrogenAudio.org, was heavily contributing to the development while on the later not...
QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Mar 7 2005, 11:48 AM)
...if the majority of the members of this forum are using 3.96.1 how we can credibly tell new members that 3.90.3 is the codec we'd recommend?

This forum is its members, and should reflect their choices (whether they are right or wrong).

We are Hydrogen Audio.

Yeah! biggrin.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif
QUOTE (LoFiYo @ Mar 7 2005, 09:31 PM)
Rather, I would love to see 3.90.3 overthrown by blind-testing 3.96.1 (or whatever the latest stable version) and found it better than 3.90.3, which is the hardest and the most time-consuming (but true to the original HA principles) option.

Yes, exactly!
QUOTE (guruboolez @ Mar 12 2005, 02:27 AM)
I wonder how many people on this board, using lame 3.90.3 --preset standard, have really tested it.

To be honest, I think the problem is that not so many HA members have sufficient equipment and hearing to contribute on those tests, anyway that's the reason why I'm not a part... sad.gif
QUOTE (guruboolez @ Apr 9 2005, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (k.eight.a @ Apr 9 2005, 10:35 AM)

Do you mean the discussion about 3.96.1. vs. 3.90.3 ???

No, the encoder itself. 3.90.3 is a dead branch. Nobody's working on it.

Thanks for explanation guruboolez!


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- earphiler   3.90.3 versus 3.96.1   Mar 6 2005, 05:05
- - smz   sounds like violating TOS#8, in this form...   Mar 6 2005, 05:08
- - earphiler   this isn't violation of #8 as stated -- 8. A...   Mar 6 2005, 05:14
- - smz   QUOTE (earphiler @ Mar 6 2005, 05:05 AM)... a...   Mar 6 2005, 05:23
- - rjamorim   3.96.1. 3.90.3 is effete.   Mar 6 2005, 06:09
|- - p0wder   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 10:09 PM)3.96.1...   Mar 6 2005, 08:24
|- - boojum   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 09:09 PM)3.96.1...   Mar 6 2005, 08:50
|- - AtaqueEG   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 11:09 PM)3.96.1...   Mar 6 2005, 21:15
||- - Turing   QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Mar 6 2005, 10:15 PM)QUOTE ...   Mar 6 2005, 21:48
|- - music_man_mpc   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 09:09 PM)3.96.1...   Mar 7 2005, 05:09
- - earphiler   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 6 2005, 12:09 AM)3.96.1...   Mar 6 2005, 06:14
- - linus   3.96.1   Mar 6 2005, 08:50
- - Teqnilogik   3.96.1 here because its faster and there is no qua...   Mar 6 2005, 08:52
|- - Acid Orange Juice   QUOTE (Teqnilogik @ Mar 6 2005, 01:52 AM)3.96...   Mar 6 2005, 21:27
- - VCSkier   wow! im suprised. ive been using 3.90.3, and...   Mar 6 2005, 11:01
|- - Turing   QUOTE (VCSkier @ Mar 6 2005, 12:01 PM)wow...   Mar 6 2005, 11:42
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (VCSkier @ Mar 6 2005, 12:01 PM)wow...   Mar 6 2005, 20:44
|- - Turing   QUOTE (Lyx @ Mar 6 2005, 09:44 PM)QUOTE (VCSk...   Mar 6 2005, 21:36
- - LadFromDownUnder   I switched from 3.90.3 to 3.96.1 for a bit, and no...   Mar 6 2005, 11:46
|- - Turing   QUOTE (LadFromDownUnder @ Mar 6 2005, 12:46 P...   Mar 6 2005, 11:48
|- - LadFromDownUnder   QUOTE (Turing @ Mar 6 2005, 11:48 PM)QUOTE (L...   Mar 6 2005, 11:55
- - Jojo   another vote for LAME 3.96.1 . Overall, lower bitr...   Mar 6 2005, 20:26
- - Madrigal   3.96.1 -V1 --scale x.xxxx (as calculated by WaveGa...   Mar 6 2005, 22:45
|- - AtaqueEG   QUOTE (Madrigal @ Mar 6 2005, 03:45 PM)3.96.1...   Mar 6 2005, 23:07
- - Megaman   From http://dictionary.reference.com effete ...   Mar 6 2005, 23:06
- - earphiler   I have to say I'm surprised. I would've th...   Mar 7 2005, 00:45
- - WarChild   Right now 3.97a7 it's faster and have noticed ...   Mar 7 2005, 00:54
- - westgroveg   Thanks to the wonderful dev0 we have a 3.90.3 vs. ...   Mar 7 2005, 01:19
|- - smz   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Mar 7 2005, 01:19 AM)Than...   Mar 7 2005, 01:25
|- - timcupery   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Mar 6 2[I)005, 07:19 PM] ...   Mar 10 2005, 22:23
- - Jebus   Been using 3.96.1 to encode about 50% of my librar...   Mar 7 2005, 01:48
- - kindofblue   Call me an unreconstructed, hidebound traditionali...   Mar 7 2005, 02:50
|- - AtaqueEG   QUOTE (kindofblue @ Mar 6 2005, 07:50 PM)Call...   Mar 7 2005, 04:02
- - DreamTactix291   I use 3.96.1 when I need to make mp3s because I ho...   Mar 7 2005, 05:19
- - Synthetic Soul   I use 3.96.1 -V5 --athaa-sensitivity 1, as per mus...   Mar 7 2005, 09:54
- - Lev   QUOTE I postulate that Roberto invokes a thesaurus...   Mar 7 2005, 11:40
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Lev @ Mar 7 2005, 11:40 AM)This discus...   Mar 7 2005, 11:47
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Mar 7 2005, 07:47 AM)The ...   Mar 7 2005, 16:22
|- - Mac   QUOTE (Lev @ Mar 7 2005, 10:40 AM)QUOTE I pos...   Mar 9 2005, 19:50
- - VCSkier   as said earlier, get a poll for perfered lame enco...   Mar 7 2005, 17:50
- - Turing   I understand why HA can only recommend 3.90.3 beca...   Mar 7 2005, 17:56
- - freakngoat   3.96.1 -V1 For me, best compromise between qualit...   Mar 7 2005, 20:15
- - Lyx   Polls - suprisingly - only show whats popular. It ...   Mar 7 2005, 20:27
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (Lyx @ Mar 7 2005, 07:27 PM)Polls - sup...   Mar 7 2005, 20:48
|- - Polar   Most of you will have noticed by now, but I'd ...   Mar 8 2005, 01:31
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Mar 7 2005, 09:48 PM)...   Mar 8 2005, 14:50
- - kindofblue   QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Mar 6 2005, 07:02 PM)What w...   Mar 8 2005, 03:22
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (kindofblue @ Mar 8 2005, 03:22 AM)I...   Mar 8 2005, 08:11
- - LoFiYo   I use both for different purposes. I understand t...   Mar 8 2005, 06:31
- - Gabriel   QUOTE But since HA is a separate entity from the L...   Mar 8 2005, 09:20
|- - Ollie   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Mar 8 2005, 06:20 PM)But let...   Mar 12 2005, 11:53
- - kindofblue   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Mar 7 2005, 11:11 PM)QUOT...   Mar 8 2005, 09:40
- - schonenberg   I'm no programmer, but could Lame 3.90.3 be fu...   Mar 8 2005, 13:30
- - Gabriel   QUOTE I'm no programmer, but could Lame 3.90.3...   Mar 8 2005, 13:33
- - Synthetic Soul   @Lyx Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I was u...   Mar 8 2005, 15:15
- - john33   Well, just to upset everybody(!! ), I ten...   Mar 8 2005, 15:22
|- - OldSkoOL   QUOTE (john33 @ Mar 8 2005, 08:22 AM)I tend t...   Mar 8 2005, 17:45
- - schuberth   One more vote for 3.90.3. Yes I'm interested i...   Mar 8 2005, 21:29
|- - larswes   I use Lame 3.96.1 @ -V 4 For me, that's perfec...   Mar 9 2005, 12:13
- - Yaztromo   When I do use MP3. I use 3.90.3. Because I only ev...   Mar 10 2005, 23:15
|- - Jojo   QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Mar 10 2005, 02:15 PM)When ...   Mar 12 2005, 21:29
|- - AtaqueEG   QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Mar 10 2005, 04:15 PM)From ...   Mar 13 2005, 05:44
- - miscellanea   QUOTE (john33 @ Mar 8 2005, 11:22 PM)Well, ju...   Mar 12 2005, 11:24
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (miscellanea @ Mar 12 2005, 11:24 AM)Th...   Mar 12 2005, 11:27
- - miscellanea   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Mar 12 2005, 07:27 PM)Wha...   Mar 12 2005, 13:10
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (miscellanea @ Mar 12 2005, 01:10 PM)Ye...   Mar 13 2005, 14:35
- - k.eight.a   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2005, 09:09 PM)3.96.1...   Apr 9 2005, 10:35
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (k.eight.a @ Apr 9 2005, 10:35 AM)QUOTE...   Apr 9 2005, 10:43
||- - evereux   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Apr 9 2005, 09:43 AM)QUOT...   Apr 9 2005, 11:09
||- - k.eight.a   Unfortunately, when I was posting my first post to...   Apr 9 2005, 11:46
|- - LadFromDownUnder   QUOTE (k.eight.a @ Apr 9 2005, 10:35 PM)QUOTE...   Apr 9 2005, 12:25
|- - VCSkier   QUOTE (LadFromDownUnder @ Apr 9 2005, 07:25 A...   Apr 9 2005, 13:45
- - odious malefactor   ef·fete Pronunciation: e-'fEt, i- Function: a...   Apr 9 2005, 11:51
- - dev0   3.97 will become the new recommended version once ...   Apr 9 2005, 14:36

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