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[Discussion] List of recommended LAME settings, V2 (for LAME 3.97)
dev0
post Mar 12 2005, 16:15
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Sine LAME 3.97b1 has been released very recently, here's a preliminary version of the new recommended settings thread (aka. --aps is dead). It's not finished yet and some stuff, which remains to be cleaned up is the collection of links and the EAC instructions.

The old thread will always be available here.

This is a request for comments. Suggestions and questions are welcome.
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Updated 2005-03-12

These settings require Lame 3.95 or later. Lame 3.97 found on this website is the recommended version. (Check here [fixme] to download).

Note: At a given bitrate range, the quality scale usually works to where VBR is higher quality than ABR which is higher quality than CBR (CBR < ABR < VBR in terms of quality). The exception to this is when you choose the highest possible CBR bitrate, which is 320 kbps (--alt-preset insane).


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Recommended encoder settings:
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-V2 is generally considered transparent... [fixme]

[fixme: add note about vbr-new]

-V 2 (~190 kbit/s, typical 170 ... 220)

-V 1 (~210 kbit/s, typical 200 ... 250)

-V 0 (~240 kbit/s, typical 220 ... 270)


Custom settings:
-V n
Example: -V 4 . The range goes from 9 (worst) to 0 (best).
A detailed dicussion over the target bitrates can be found here.


Update: Completely revamped the whole thread to accomodate the new recommended version (3.97).



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Recommended ABR (average bitrate) settings:
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--abr <bitrate>
Example:
--abr 200


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Recommended CBR (constant bitrate) settings:
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-b <bitrate>
Example:
-b 192


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Setting up EAC for lame.exe with tagging
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Based on Case's tutorial

Select compression options from EAC menu.
Open 'External Compression' tab.

1. Check 'Use external program for compression'
2. Change 'Parameter passing scheme' to 'User Defined Encoder'
3. Set file extension to .mp3
4. Click 'Browse' and locate 'lame.exe'
5. Change 'Additional command line options' to one of the following commandlines
6. Check 'Delete WAV after compression'
7. Uncheck 'Add ID3 tag'

QUOTE
ID3v1:
-V 2 --vbr-new --id3v1-only --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d

ID3v2:
-V 2 --vbr-new --id3v2-only --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d

ID3v1 and ID3v2:
-V 2 --vbr-new --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d

APEv2: (requires wapet.exe)
%d -t "Artist=%a" -t "Title=%t" -t "Album=%g" -t "Year=%y" -t "Track=%n" -t "Genre=%m" lame.exe -V 2 --vbr-new %s %d

(You can change -V 2 to any setting/preset you'd like to use)

These commandlines are generally recommended over EAC's own tagging routines and its LAME encoder parameter passing preset, which is known to cause problems.
The bitrate setting serves a cosmetic purpose and is used for the size display in EAC's main window.

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Useful links
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(Latest LAME compiles)
Dmitry's compiles
Rarewares.org MP3 section

(MP3 Information sites)
Hydrogen Audio
Decoder test by David Robinson

(MP3 Forums)
Hydrogenaudio MP3 forum



(Exact Audio Copy) - the best CD ripper & encoding (& tagging) to MP3 (or MPC, Ogg Vorbis) during ripping
Official site
Tutorial for EAC
EAC forum


(LAME Frontends)
RazorLame
ALL2LAME

HeadAC3he by Dark Avenger : ac3 -> wav DS2 -> mp3, ogg vorbis, mp2
BeSweet by DSPGuru : ac3 -> wav DS2 -> mp3, ogg vorbis, mp2 with batch-possibility


(Renaming / ID3 Tagging / Music Database)
Tag + Tag Frontend
Helium2
Renatager
MPTagger
More tagging information & programs
CDIndexer : for CD-Audio & data-CDs
MAC: Mpeg Audio Collection



(MP3 Gain) - lossless gain change / "normalizing"!
Official site
Basic Guide to avoid clipping


(How to)
Burn an MP3 CD
Reencode mp3 (high bitrate with ID3 tags) to mp3 (low bitrate) and include tags to new mp3 file : Try Monkeys Audio http://www.monkeysaudio.com/, or maybe better: foobar 2000, use the CLI encoder: http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/html/foobar.html
MPC -> MP3 by MPCxchange


(Analyzing MP3)
EncSpot
ff123's artefact training
Tool for ABXing, Blind listening tests
ff123's site: Discussion of Audio Compression including sites to evaluate your own capability of listening
Training of musically listening good-ear.com
Training of listening to encoder's artefacts pcabx.com
MP3Utility

QuickSFV, SVF and MD5 checksums for files


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Credits
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A big thanks to all LAME developers for making one kickass MP3 codec.

People who took part in suggesting the different settings:
Dibrom, r3mix, ff123, Hans Heijden, kjempen, Benjamin Lebsanft, GeSomeone, Wombat.

Creation of the alt preset system and related special code level quality enhancements:
Dibrom, with technical assistance from Robert Hegemann and Naoki Shibata and extensive tuning help and quality verification via listening tests from JohnV and also initial help (--dm-preset era) from Hans Heijden, ff123, Wombat, and others. Test clips, bitrate information, and further listening tests provided by TheBashar, zbutsam, Pio2001, BadDuDeX, r3mix, h, TarX, Hans Heijden, ff123, Wombat, Filburt, Volcano, Garf, MrDrew, TrNSZ, nyaochi, Amadeus93, in no particular order, and many, many others I (Dibrom) probably forgot to mention.. (msg me to be added)

Idea (also exposing the need for a unified preset system), Original post and list of original settings collected by: user
Layout and additional work by: CiTay, SNYder, Dibrom, dev0


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post Sep 16 2005, 11:19
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A small section of "What NOT to do" would help people avoid common (and understandable) errors.

Example:
-q0 : Actually, I'm nut sure about this one. Supposedly the bugs have been fixed in one of the alphas. But this is the first switch someone will mess around with.

-k : Encodes normally inaudible high frequencies but sacrifices overall quality and causes bitrate bloat.

--ns-bass etc.: These parameters are allready optimal. No need for further adjustment.

I'm sure there are detailed threads in the FAQ wich could be linked to for extra information.
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post Sep 16 2005, 11:43
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I support Frank Bickings request (similar to some co-poster here), that not only the high-bitrate presets should be "recommended" here.
The target of the Topic was clearly, to have an overview about the best quality (and speed?!, people want to know always about speed, consider mentioning --vbr-new, it seems, that vbr-new gives also better/same quality, maybe because more tuned recently) settings for a given bitrate (range).

So, we could simply write each -V x setting to topic, with the expected bitrates.
Then below a second table, with explanation of making abr, then cbr encodes.

It would be very similar to the table Frank Bicking made for the Germans.
Maybe somewhere an addition, if intermediate values between eg. -V 4 and maybe -V 3 are possible (not necessary, if technically not possible), like -V 3.5 or -V 3.3 or whatever.


Parameter | entsprechendes (translation: corresponding) Preset | Bitrate
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-b 320 | --preset insane | 320 kbps CBR
-V 0 --vbr-new | --preset fast extreme | 245285 kbps VBR
-V 0 | --preset extreme | 245285 kbps VBR
-V 1 --vbr-new | | 220260 kbps VBR
-V 2 --vbr-new | --preset fast standard | 170210 kbps VBR (empfohlen (translation: recommended)
-V 2 | --preset standard | 170210 kbps VBR
-V 3 --vbr-new | | 155195 kbps VBR
-V 4 --vbr-new | --preset fast medium | 145185 kbps VBR
-V 4 | --preset medium | 145185 kbps VBR
-V 5 --vbr-new | | 110150 kbps VBR
-V 6 --vbr-new | | 95135 kbps VBR
-V 7 --vbr-new | | 80120 kbps VBR
-V 8 --vbr-new | | 65105 kbps VBR
-V 9 --vbr-new | | 4585 kbps VBR
--abr xxx | --preset xxx | xxx kbps ABR
-b xxx | --preset cbr xxx | xxx kbps CBR



And I suggest, we/I edit simply the existing topic about recommended settings, as we don't need 2 topics. The topic was always edited to keep it uptodate.
If we think, we keep content of old topic for history, then the content can be copied to a history topic.
Most important reason about editing the existing thread:
Otherwise the links in world wide web would break down to the recommended lame-mp3 settings thread.
And that would be contra-productive in spreading the knowlwedge of this community and best Lame to the people out there.

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- dev0   [Discussion] List of recommended LAME settings   Mar 12 2005, 16:15
- - dev0   Comments will be moved into a seperate thread once...   Sep 12 2005, 06:48
- - Mike Giacomelli   I'm really glad to see this. I have great res...   Sep 12 2005, 07:41
- - teleguise   I know this is all prelim still but the : QUOTE Up...   Sep 12 2005, 07:54
- - shrinkmail   thanks all. now things will finally start looking...   Sep 12 2005, 08:29
- - Frank_Bicking   Comments and suggestions: 1. The current version ...   Sep 12 2005, 08:34
- - guruboolez   QUOTE (dev0 @ Mar 12 2005, 04:15 PM)---------...   Sep 12 2005, 10:41
- - jaybeee   QUOTE (dev0 @ Mar 12 2005, 04:15 PM)These set...   Sep 12 2005, 11:20
- - kjoonlee   QUOTE (dev0 @ Mar 13 2005, 12:15 AM)The excep...   Sep 16 2005, 07:34
|- - Yaztromo   QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Sep 16 2005, 07:34 AM)QUOTE...   Sep 16 2005, 08:14
- - magic75   I agree with guru. I think presets below V2 should...   Sep 16 2005, 08:13
- - markanini   Guruboolez should get credits for his listening te...   Sep 16 2005, 10:22
|- - Mo0zOoH   I think that only the essential information must b...   Sep 16 2005, 13:29
- - Vietwoojagig   QUOTE (dev0 @ Mar 12 2005, 04:15 PM)(Exact Au...   Sep 16 2005, 10:40
- - Vietwoojagig   QUOTE (dev0 @ Mar 12 2005, 04:15 PM)(Renaming...   Sep 16 2005, 10:49
- - Gecko   A small section of "What NOT to do" woul...   Sep 16 2005, 11:19
|- - user   I support Frank Bickings request (similar to some ...   Sep 16 2005, 11:43
- - shadowking   I think the common *quality* presets should be lis...   Sep 16 2005, 12:03
- - Vietwoojagig   QUOTE (dev0 @ Mar 12 2005, 04:15 PM)(Analyzin...   Sep 16 2005, 12:38
|- - user   last version of topic with 3.90.3 to keep for eval...   Sep 16 2005, 13:37
- - user   Major update with Lame 3.97: Updated 2005-09-1...   Sep 16 2005, 14:26
|- - Mo0zOoH   Here, I've tried to improve user's guide b...   Sep 17 2005, 16:12
|- - user   I will implement as much as I can from your sugges...   Sep 17 2005, 16:34
- - kritip   Comment --- Do you have to use the work F****ing i...   Sep 16 2005, 14:34
|- - user   So, the 1st draw of the new recommended settings p...   Sep 16 2005, 15:35
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (kritip @ Sep 16 2005, 03:34 PM)Comment...   Sep 16 2005, 16:41
- - Gabriel   QUOTE The main new dev of lame 3.97, who did a lot...   Sep 16 2005, 16:27
- - shrinkmail   Thanx citay for removing the f word. Errm, it woul...   Sep 16 2005, 17:34
- - JunkieXL   I dunno I found Case's tutorial pretty helpful...   Sep 16 2005, 18:18
- - kwanbis   i think we should start simple, and then continue ...   Sep 16 2005, 18:18
|- - user   please have some patience, the link section will b...   Sep 16 2005, 19:44
|- - onthejazz   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 16 2005, 12:18 PM)i thin...   Sep 16 2005, 19:52
|- - onthejazz   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 16 2005, 12:18 PM)i thin...   Sep 17 2005, 22:43
- - jaybeee   Not sure if it's been mentioned or already lin...   Sep 16 2005, 20:20
|- - DARcode   QUOTE (jaybeee @ Sep 16 2005, 09:20 PM)Not su...   Sep 18 2005, 11:42
- - ErikS   CODESwitch           ...   Sep 16 2005, 21:42
|- - user   QUOTE (ErikS @ Sep 16 2005, 09:42 PM)CODESwit...   Sep 16 2005, 21:52
- - Gabriel   QUOTE Only for 128k ABR: There was developed an al...   Sep 16 2005, 22:53
- - kurtnoise   May I suggest to add a BeLight link in association...   Sep 17 2005, 00:05
- - AtaqueEG   This is major! This is so exciting! I si...   Sep 17 2005, 02:58
|- - skelly831   QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Sep 16 2005, 06:58 PM)This ...   Sep 17 2005, 03:37
- - teleguise   Are there plans to make use of EAC's "La...   Sep 17 2005, 08:31
- - Gabriel   The parameters passing scheme did not changed on t...   Sep 17 2005, 08:37
- - teleguise   Well I guess I should have noted that I never did ...   Sep 17 2005, 08:55
- - beto   Are we going to focus on the presets or in the V s...   Sep 17 2005, 18:25
- - Mo0zOoH   I understand your intentions user, but something i...   Sep 17 2005, 19:29
|- - Shade[ST]   Mo0zOoH : preset fast medium is higher quality tha...   Sep 17 2005, 19:55
|- - user   QUOTE (Shade[ST),Sep 17 2005, 07:55 PM]Mo0zOo...   Sep 17 2005, 20:01
- - beto   QUOTE well, we focus meanwhile on the -V switches,...   Sep 17 2005, 21:27
- - benc   Hope this doesn't seem to cheeky for a lurker ...   Sep 18 2005, 01:31
- - Gabriel   Note: average bitrate range of VBR levels are over...   Sep 18 2005, 09:53
- - Gabriel   *bitrate ranges: V1 is now probably in the 200-25...   Sep 23 2005, 16:10
|- - user   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 23 2005, 04:10 PM)*recom...   Sep 23 2005, 17:45
- - MJT   The first link on the post goes to a page for 3.98...   Sep 23 2005, 22:44
- - Gabriel   Why not just mentionning the -V values without --v...   Sep 24 2005, 09:25
|- - Mo0zOoH   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 24 2005, 11:25 AM)otherw...   Sep 24 2005, 19:27
- - Cosmo   If the new vbr algorithm is now in fact faster and...   Sep 24 2005, 20:49
- - Mo0zOoH   Not to mention the fact that the speed and quality...   Sep 24 2005, 23:44
- - Canar   So does --vbr-new provide noticably worse quality ...   Sep 25 2005, 00:27
- - VCSkier   as it has been stated before, --vbr-new has shown ...   Sep 25 2005, 06:05
- - Gabriel   *vbr-new seems to be better overall than vbr-old o...   Sep 25 2005, 10:13
|- - Madrigal   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 25 2005, 04:13 AM)*vbr-n...   Sep 25 2005, 11:16
|- - Jojo   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 25 2005, 01:13 AM)*vbr-n...   Sep 25 2005, 21:58
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- - zipr   Am I the only one who is having problems with the ...   Sep 27 2005, 00:19
- - kockroach   Genre is obtained using the following --tg ...   Sep 27 2005, 02:12
- - dev0   Some thoughts:The --alt-preset/--preset syntax is ...   Sep 27 2005, 07:33
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (dev0 @ Sep 27 2005, 07:33 AM)While I a...   Sep 27 2005, 09:54
|- - user   Thanks guruboolez, I just give fact: I wa sonly ...   Sep 27 2005, 10:31
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (kockroach @ Sep 27 2005, 02:12 AM)Genr...   Sep 27 2005, 11:02
- - dev0   I wasn't aware your action was coordinated wit...   Sep 27 2005, 11:10
|- - user   Hej, dev0, I accept your apologies, a misunderstan...   Sep 27 2005, 11:23
- - dev0   This is basically a collection/remix of the ideas ...   Sep 27 2005, 12:02
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (dev0 @ Sep 27 2005, 12:02 PM)--V n (wh...   Sep 27 2005, 12:16
|- - dev0   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Sep 27 2005, 12:16 PM...   Sep 27 2005, 12:19
|- - user   well, indeed, dev0's suggestion here is lacki...   Sep 27 2005, 12:22
|- - dev0   QUOTE (user @ Sep 27 2005, 12:22 PM)dev0...   Sep 27 2005, 12:24
|- - sTisTi   QUOTE (dev0 @ Sep 27 2005, 03:24 AM)QUOTE (us...   Sep 27 2005, 13:05
- - Synthetic Soul   Thanks. Apart from that, I like the format. Howe...   Sep 27 2005, 12:30
|- - dev0   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Sep 27 2005, 12:30 PM...   Sep 27 2005, 12:37
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|- - dev0   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Sep 27 2005, 12:49 PM...   Sep 27 2005, 12:53
- - kritip   Ah, i had the same idea of google cache but couldn...   Sep 27 2005, 12:51
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|- - guruboolez   --my mistake--   Sep 27 2005, 12:57
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|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Sep 27 2005, 12:57 PM...   Sep 27 2005, 13:00
|- - user   google cashe was a good idea, but unfortunately, a...   Sep 27 2005, 13:03
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- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Sep 27 2005, 01:00 PM)I s...   Sep 27 2005, 13:04
|- - sTisTi   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Sep 27 2005, 04:04 AM...   Sep 27 2005, 13:17
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Sep 27 2005, 01:04 PM...   Sep 27 2005, 13:19
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (user @ Sep 27 2005, 01:03 PM)And yes, ...   Sep 27 2005, 13:15
- - Synthetic Soul   Agreed.   Sep 27 2005, 13:22
- - Gabriel   What about something like: VBR settings provide d...   Sep 27 2005, 13:25
- - dev0   I don't think that not giving any recommendati...   Sep 27 2005, 13:36
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (dev0 @ Sep 27 2005, 01:36 PM)I don...   Sep 27 2005, 14:01
|- - user   For all those reasons we have the complete table o...   Sep 27 2005, 14:05
- - Gabriel   QUOTE Think of it like this: What would you tell a...   Sep 27 2005, 14:03
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