Which is the best lossless codec?, Discussion thread |
Which is the best lossless codec?, Discussion thread |
Nov 26 2004, 05:40
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1. LOWER COMPRESSION BUT HIGHER CPU USAGE
2. NO COMPRESSION MODE TO SELECT EDIT : But compared with Monkey's Audio, WMA still use more power. WMA = 34.0MB = ~13% CPU Usage Monkey's Audio - High = 33.7MB = ~7% CPU Usage This post has been edited by kotrtim: Nov 26 2004, 06:17 |
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Jan 24 2005, 02:35
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my take as a dumb end-user.
MAC is the best. Best encoding speeds, best compression, easiest to use. and, it's integrated into EAC pretty well. FLAC is good enough so that I don't convert them to MAC files. But it's clearly inferior, with the exception of seeking (it seeks alot faster than MAC) and portable support (which really is pretty much useless). SHN is horrible. bad compression, and no tagging! |
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Feb 12 2005, 18:27
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QUOTE (adlai @ Jan 23 2005, 08:35 PM) MAC is the best .... [etc] This is not a flamewar, just underscoring what is all-too-often missed: The whole point is, best for what uses and users? For example, as a music sharing format across OS platforms, shn is still a widely used format because it's well understood. flac is rapidly replacing it. And think a bit harder about what you care about - you might think you don't care about hardware playback or streamability - but lots of people will soon enough. That's definitely where a large part of the lossless users are moving. Anyway: QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 25 2004, 11:14 PM) Given the sheer amount of lossless audio compressor choices available, it is a very difficult task to choose the one most suited for each person's needs. An example or two might help the users understand that, especially newer users. Several people only take into consideration compression performance when choosing a codec. But as the following table and post shows, there are several other features worth taking into consideration when making that choice. Also, in the Pros for alac - by far what's driving the rapid growth of this otherwise somewhat lackluster format is the integration - iTunes/iPod provides a total solution for users: ripping, database lookup, tagging, playback, portable / hardware, transcoding to lossy. All in a pretty usable interface (as long as you don't need control or need to know what's going on). So it might be worth adding "integration with software and hardware" or something. |
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kotrtim Which is the best lossless codec? Nov 26 2004, 05:40
rjamorim Thanks. I added "unefficient" to WMA... Nov 26 2004, 05:50
kotrtim roberto , i'm so sorry
wma compression is a bi... Nov 26 2004, 06:04
sshd 1. inefficient not unefficient
2. Neither FLAC no... Nov 26 2004, 06:09
guruboolez QUOTE (sshd @ Nov 26 2004, 06:09 AM)2. Neithe... Nov 26 2004, 14:40
jcoalson this table is nice, good to finally have a sticky ... Nov 28 2004, 11:51
sshd QUOTE (jcoalson @ Nov 28 2004, 11:51 AM)QUOTE... Nov 28 2004, 16:16
sehested QUOTE (jcoalson @ Nov 28 2004, 02:51 AM)for t... Nov 28 2004, 17:13
BoraBora Another lossless comparison (in french, but the ta... Nov 26 2004, 09:30
rjamorim QUOTE (kotrtim @ Nov 26 2004, 02:04 AM)I... Nov 26 2004, 13:12
Garf <zealot>
I see no reason to put very fast d... Nov 26 2004, 13:39
rjamorim QUOTE (Garf @ Nov 26 2004, 09:39 AM)<zealo... Nov 26 2004, 13:53
kurtnoise Some notes about RALF :
I made some quick tests w... Nov 26 2004, 14:44
guruboolez I forgot: nice initiative Roberto.
Two comments:
... Nov 26 2004, 14:44
kotrtim according to the player itself (Itunes n Real)
App... Nov 26 2004, 15:28
rjamorim QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 26 2004, 10:40 AM)I... Nov 26 2004, 18:36
HansHeijden QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 26 2004, 06:36 PM)Since... Nov 26 2004, 20:17
guruboolez Another suggestion: what about "adaptability... Nov 26 2004, 18:52
rjamorim QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 26 2004, 02:52 PM)Som... Nov 26 2004, 19:13
guruboolez I would say "none" rather than "bad... Nov 26 2004, 19:17
kotrtim QUOTE Haha, dude, you said yourself Real is very f... Nov 27 2004, 04:48
rjamorim QUOTE (HansHeijden @ Nov 26 2004, 04:17 PM)Ed... Nov 27 2004, 21:33
Zurman How about an overall notation system?
3 points for... Nov 28 2004, 20:56
guruboolez QUOTE (Zurman @ Nov 28 2004, 08:56 PM)How abo... Nov 29 2004, 10:18
BoraBora About OS support: I understand what it means, but ... Nov 28 2004, 23:50
WaldoMonster Nice work.
I'm missing native ReplayGain in t... Nov 28 2004, 23:52
rjamorim QUOTE (WaldoMonster @ Nov 28 2004, 07:52 PM)I... Nov 29 2004, 00:34
rjamorim QUOTE (jcoalson @ Nov 28 2004, 07:51 AM)for t... Nov 29 2004, 00:26
Zurman QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 28 2004, 03:26 PM)QUOTE... Nov 29 2004, 01:53

dev0 QUOTE (Zurman @ Nov 29 2004, 01:53 AM)Just to... Nov 29 2004, 06:33
BoraBora QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 29 2004, 01:26 AM)For l... Nov 29 2004, 09:20
jcoalson QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 28 2004, 06:26 PM)QUOTE... Nov 30 2004, 06:20
Tang Hi,
Very nice THREAD thanks to Amorim and every co... Nov 29 2004, 07:20
music_man_mpc QUOTE (Tang @ Nov 28 2004, 10:20 PM)Recently ... Nov 29 2004, 08:57
guruboolez QUOTE (music_man_mpc @ Nov 29 2004, 08:57 AM)... Nov 29 2004, 10:40
Tang QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 29 2004, 01:40 AM)QUO... Nov 30 2004, 04:35
rjamorim QUOTE (dev0 @ Nov 29 2004, 02:33 AM)I don... Nov 29 2004, 13:23
guruboolez QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 29 2004, 01:23 PM)Indee... Nov 29 2004, 14:22
rjamorim QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 29 2004, 10:22 AM)Is ... Nov 29 2004, 14:29
guruboolez You're right. I had in might asymetrical with ... Nov 29 2004, 14:34
GeSomeone RJAmorim,
I think it would be a good idea to add v... Dec 2 2004, 13:42
Faelix QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Dec 2 2004, 09:42 AM)Anoth... Dec 2 2004, 14:12
rjamorim QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Dec 2 2004, 09:42 AM)I thi... Dec 9 2004, 18:43
kurtnoise For TTA :
Encoding Speed : fast
Decoding Speed : ... Dec 9 2004, 19:21
rjamorim Excellent. Thank-you for the info. I just updates ... Dec 9 2004, 19:45
buzzy Nice work.
As some of the comments here suggest, ... Dec 9 2004, 20:56
rjamorim QUOTE (buzzy @ Dec 9 2004, 04:56 PM)As some o... Dec 10 2004, 21:13
buzzy Sorry, the comment about hardware support was a re... Dec 13 2004, 20:33
guruboolez LA has both seeking and tagging functionality. I c... Dec 9 2004, 21:08
Mindaxiz EDIT: --post deleted--
Looks like TTA has been ... Dec 9 2004, 22:44
Mindaxiz Rjamorim, you either edited the table super fast o... Dec 9 2004, 23:52
evereux This spreadsheet is an excellent reference, thanks... Dec 10 2004, 15:36
guruboolez very slow seeking could be highly irritating. I ne... Dec 10 2004, 15:48
rjamorim Hello. I just added a new table design, and would ... Dec 10 2004, 16:14
rjamorim I just edited the main post. Here are some comment... Dec 10 2004, 16:32
rjamorim Since I was already playing with my test streams, ... Dec 10 2004, 17:06
roweezy WMAL / WMA Lossless 9.1
DOES support 24bit / 24-b... Jan 1 2005, 04:23
Zurman I think there's a mistak in the table : Monkey... Jan 3 2005, 19:37
rjamorim QUOTE (Zurman @ Jan 3 2005, 03:37 PM)I think ... Jan 3 2005, 19:48
Zurman QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jan 3 2005, 10:48 AM)QUOTE ... Jan 3 2005, 20:08
Erich w/ an h are the percentages in the original post based on ... Jan 10 2005, 10:22
Skymmer Here is another suggestion and test... As you know... Jan 22 2005, 04:36
rjamorim Thanks for that test you did. I am considering add... Jan 24 2005, 00:05
jcoalson even better would be if a codec could store all AI... Jan 22 2005, 06:04
Skymmer Quite agree but I'm pretty sure that formats w... Jan 22 2005, 06:34
jcoalson QUOTE (Skymmer @ Jan 22 2005, 12:34 AM)Quite ... Jan 23 2005, 18:56
Skymmer OK. Again 10 seconds brown noise but without any m... Jan 22 2005, 07:22
Skymmer QUOTE (jcoalson @ Jan 23 2005, 08:56 PM)anywa... Jan 23 2005, 19:53
jcoalson QUOTE (Skymmer @ Jan 23 2005, 01:53 PM)QUOTE ... Jan 24 2005, 01:13
rjamorim QUOTE (jcoalson @ Jan 23 2005, 10:13 PM)my co... Jan 24 2005, 01:28
kjoonlee QUOTE (jcoalson @ Jan 24 2005, 09:13 AM)2. wh... Jan 24 2005, 03:01
Skymmer QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jan 24 2005, 02:05 AM)Thank... Jan 24 2005, 02:11
jcoalson QUOTE (Skymmer @ Jan 23 2005, 08:11 PM)QUOTE ... Jan 24 2005, 08:57
Skymmer QUOTE (adlai @ Jan 24 2005, 04:35 AM)MAC is t... Jan 24 2005, 02:57
johnsonlam To be short: Everyone who create a free loseless c... Feb 12 2005, 18:48
Synthetic Soul QUOTE (jcoalson @ Jan 24 2005, 07:57 AM)QUOTE... Jan 24 2005, 09:38
rjamorim QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 24 2005, 06:38 AM... Jan 24 2005, 14:52
m0rbidini Is it difficult to guarantee full reconstruction o... Jan 24 2005, 10:23
Synthetic Soul QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jan 24 2005, 01:52 PM)No fl... Jan 24 2005, 20:43
Mindaxiz QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 24 2005, 02:43 PM... Jan 24 2005, 21:11
rjamorim QUOTE (Mindaxiz @ Jan 24 2005, 06:11 PM)I am ... Jan 24 2005, 23:33
rjamorim QUOTE (Erich w/ an h @ Jan 10 2005, 07:22 AM)... Feb 2 2005, 04:54
guruboolez I've selected one mono album for my classical ... Feb 3 2005, 08:19
p0wder I recently converted from FLAC to Wavpack in order... Feb 3 2005, 10:10
Polar QUOTE (p0wder @ Feb 3 2005, 09:10 UTC)I'm... Feb 3 2005, 12:39
rjamorim QUOTE (guruboolez @ Feb 3 2005, 05:19 AM)I... Feb 3 2005, 15:30
rutra80 How about adding to the "Tagging" row th... Feb 8 2005, 20:35
WaldoMonster Adding "PIPE support" to the table would... Feb 11 2005, 15:46
rjamorim QUOTE (rutra80 @ Feb 8 2005, 05:35 PM)How abo... Feb 11 2005, 19:31
WaldoMonster QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 11 2005, 10:31 PM)Well,... Feb 11 2005, 22:43
rjamorim QUOTE (buzzy @ Feb 12 2005, 03:27 PM)An examp... Feb 12 2005, 23:17
johnsonlam QUOTE One sentence: competition is good.
I agree.... Feb 13 2005, 17:32![]() ![]() |
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