How to grab DVD-Audio? Options

[unfortunateson]

I wouldn't say it's butchered.  Maybe they just didn't have enough space on the disc to include all 6 channels of the 5.1 mix in 96khz, so they made it 48.

It definitely says "Advanced Resolution Multi-Channel Surround Sound (96 kHz/24-bit)" on the back of the DVD case. I want my money back!

you think you'd really notice a audible difference? Doubt it.

Edit: Quote

This post has been edited by unfortunateson: Jul 5 2005, 21:25

[skamp]

you think you'd really notice a audible difference? Doubt it.

I wouldn't go there. Why bother with DVD-A in the first place when there is already a multichannel DTS track? Anyway, that's like selling someone a CD-DA when the source is really a 192kbps MP3. Most people wouldn't notice the difference, but how would they feel about it?

[unfortunateson]

It would be more like selling somebody a CD-DA with a FLAC source with a 20khz lowpass

But it is dodgy advertising, nevertheless, even if its placebo.

[Raptus]

How come this hasn't been slashdotted yet?

[unfortunateson]

How come some of these programs have had versions dating to late 2004, and they have only seemed to surface now?

[skamp]

OK, my webspace is available again, so I uploaded another sample (The Doors - Love Her Madly - 24bit/96kHz 5.1), as well as a screenshot of the frequency analysis of the ripped song:


That looks much better, doesn't it?

[unfortunateson]

Now we can start authentic DVD-A ABX tests.

[rjamorim]

How come this hasn't been slashdotted yet? 

I'm actually happy it hasn't been slashdotted. The longer it takes to be announced at big sites, the longer it'll take for me to be legally forced to remove it.

How come some of these programs have had versions dating to late 2004, and they have only seemed to surface now?

The developer kept VERY low profile. But a friend of him noticed his posts at a russian forum, and gave me the idea of hosting his stuff.

[tgoose]

So the Doors sample shows that it is definitely capturing the stream directly?

[joey_m]

Hope I'm not talking too much nonsense, but does that frequency analysis actually show that a song from The Doors has greater frequency content between 40-45 kHz than between 10-15kHz? Or is it a problem with either Audacity, the DVD-A authoring or my lack of knowledge on how to correctly read a frequency plot?


Cheers, Joey.

[Cyaneyes]

Hope I'm not talking too much nonsense, but does that frequency analysis actually show that a song from The Doors has greater frequency content between 40-45 kHz than between 10-15kHz? Or is it a problem with either Audacity, the DVD-A authoring or my lack of knowledge on how to correctly read a frequency plot?

No, that's what it's showing. I'm seeing it too. I would say it's some kind of noise shaping, but such a thing shouldn't be necessary at all with 24 bit audio.

[kl33per]

Does anyone else have the Creative DVD-Audio sampler disc? I am still yet to get a single thing off of it. PPCMRipper doesn't give an error, but nothing is output in the specified directory. Using WinDVD 6.0.6.56.

[RotAtoR]

Does anyone else have the Creative DVD-Audio sampler disc?  I am still yet to get  a single thing off of it.  PPCMRipper doesn't give an error, but nothing is output in the specified directory.  Using WinDVD 6.0.6.56.

Yup, works fine here with my Audigy 2 and sample disc with WinDVD 6. I ripped the tracks directly using PPCMRipper using the command "PPCMRipper 96000 f:\temp" and each track showed up in the directory as I played through them, it even automatically starts a new file on track change. It's just a bit of a pain since you have to allow WinDVD to play through the entire track normally.

This post has been edited by RotAtoR: Jul 6 2005, 03:44

[kl33per]

Well obviously I'm doing something wrong, because I get nothing in the output directory. What settings are you using in WinDVD? Where are you putting the PPCMRipper application?

[rjamorim]

Hoho. Got announced at Doom9's home page.

I guess now Slashdot and the RIAA letter are only a matter of time

[RotAtoR]

Well obviously I'm doing something wrong, because I get nothing in the output directory.  What settings are you using in WinDVD?  Where are you putting the PPCMRipper application?

Umm, I guess I'm just using the default settings in WinDVD since I haven't changed anything. It shouldn't make any difference where the PPCMRipper app is located, I have it running off of a different drive than the output location. As soon as I run PPCMRipper from the command line WinDVD opens and this text is displayed at the command prompt.

CODE

D:\Program Files\Tools\DVD-A>PPCMRipper 96000 f:\temp
PPCM Ripper Add-On for InterVideo WinDVD 5/6/7 Player. Version 0.07
D&D by MaximA, 2005.

Loading WinDVD Add-On.
Waiting for WinDVD Add-On load completion.
Attaching to GPIProxy.
GPIProxy version is 6.0.6.42.

I then select any track and hit play in WinDVD. Immediately this appears at the prompt:

CODE

Ripping 6-ch PPCM track to file f:\temp\track-42cb4faa.wav [..

and the file "track-42cb4faa.wav" is created at the target directory.

Upon closing WinDVD this appears at the prompt:

CODE

Detaching from GPIProxy.
Unloading WinDVD Add-On.
D:\Program Files\Tools\DVD-A>

And the nice 6 channel .wav file is ready and waiting for me.

[skamp]

Hoho. Got announced at Doom9's home page.

That's no wonder, you made a post about it!

[kl33per]

I never see the "Ripping 6-ch PPCM track to file f:\temp\track-42cb4faa.wav [.." line. It says it attaches and detaches the add-on fine.

[Erukian]

My brother has the Audigy 2 ZS + creative sampler disc. He's having the same problem. It gets to the point where it says "GPIProxy Version is 6.0.6.42" and when he try's to play a track, nothing is dumped.

I'm not sure what the problem is on his end.

-Joe

This post has been edited by Erukian: Jul 6 2005, 05:50

[unfortunateson]

So how do I rip Multichannel?

PPCMripper will only rip 2 channel from my DVD-A disc, but DVD-A explorer will copy the mlps to my harddrive in 6 channel format.

How do I rip them out of the mlp format from the harddrive?

[rjamorim]

So how do I rip Multichannel? 

PPCMripper will only rip 2 channel from my DVD-A disc, but DVD-A explorer will copy the mlps to my harddrive in 6 channel format.

How do I rip them out of the mlp format from the harddrive?

I think you must convince WinDVD you have a surround system, in the Audio configuration tab

This post has been edited by rjamorim: Jul 6 2005, 05:50

[unfortunateson]

I can't get it out of two channel mode - probably because WinDVD can't make heads or tails of my Echo Layla? And what exactly is the use of ripping as decrypted MLP files (via DVDAExplorer) when none of these programs can read them?

This post has been edited by unfortunateson: Jul 6 2005, 06:01

[grug]

Those with Audigy 2 problems, did you notice the

4. When using this Add-On with Audigy 2 soundcard deinstall
    "Creative DVD Audio Plugin for Audigy Series" first.

in the readme.txt?

[kl33per]

Yep, didn't change anything.

Edit: Somehow it got reinstalled, ????
Anyway, removed it and it works, thanks.

This post has been edited by kl33per: Jul 6 2005, 06:09

[daphy]

I´ve read that the Creative Audigy 4 supports DVD-A up to 192KHz -> so there will be no need to remove the creativeDVD-A driver as adviced, am I right?