Lame test version (June 2005) Options

[Gabriel]

Here is a new test version.
Changes against latest alpha are in ABR/CBR modes.

The goals are:
*more correct bitrate at high abr settings
*reduce potential low freq noise.

Attached File(s)

 lame_june.zip ( 151.32K ) Number of downloads: 810

 

[linus]

When at home I'll try.

[ToS_Maverick]

gabriel, something went wrong with the achive... i can't extract it

[krmathis]

gabriel, something went wrong with the achive... i can't extract it

No. Something went wrong with your download.
Cause the file extracts perfectly here!


Gabriel, I`m still a little upset that you only provide Win32 binaries.
This nicelly excludes us Mac OS X and GNU/Linux users! Oh well...

This post has been edited by krmathis: Jun 6 2005, 13:58

[Gabriel]

Gabriel, I`m still a little upset that you only provide Win32 binaries.

My dls connection is not yet restored. In the meantime, I can only "safely" provide win32 binaries

[Gambit]

gabriel, something went wrong with the achive... i can't extract it

No. Something went wrong with your download.
Cause the file extracts perfectly here!

I too, get an "Unexpected end of archive" error.

Edit: Weird, now I managed to dl it fine. Anyway, if anybody else has problems getting it, here's an mirror.

This post has been edited by Gambit: Jun 6 2005, 16:21

[ToS_Maverick]

I too, get an "Unexpected end of archive" error.

Edit: Weird, now I managed to dl it fine. Anyway, if anybody else has problems getting it, here's an mirror.

thank you very much, now i could extract it

[ddrawley]

May I please have the switches to achieve something near the old -aps results?

[Jebus]

May I please have the switches to achieve something near the old -aps results?

I don't even know what you mean, but this release is supposed to be tested for its ABR and CBR modes, not -aps

[ddrawley]

OK, how about, what are the recommended settings for this version of LAME? I am not sure what else to ask to get a command line that gives comparable bit rates and audio quality to the current 3.90.3 and -aps.
I don't wish to start a flame war about what version is best. I just prefer to use a preset that is tuned, rather than playing the 'my switch settings are better than your switch settings' game.
I have been very pleased with 3.90.3 with -aps and am looking for the rough equivalent.

[Benjamin Lebsanf...]

well, this version isn't meant to use with aps and is not even meant to use for production. It's a test version for CBR/ABR. Just stick to 3.90.3 or 3.96.1.

This post has been edited by Benjamin Lebsanft: Jun 6 2005, 17:43

[ToS_Maverick]

this time i tested a few problem samples, i hope it is useful.

BlackBird
wav - a10 9/10
wav - june 10/10
a10 - june 7/10

i'm not shure about this one as you can see at the abx result of a10 against june.

fatboy
wav - a10 10/10
wav - june 10/10
a10 - june 10/10
=> june is better

it's the fist time i listened to fatboy and to me, june was better as there is less noise.

hihat
wav - a10 10/10
wav - june 10/10
a10 - june 9/10
=> a10 is better

both encodes sound like a lash (hope tha's the right translation ) but june as some additional high frequencies that maybe sound like turning the TV off or so...
anyway it sounds unnatural and therefore my vote goes to a10

main_theme
wav - a10 7/10
wav - june 8/10
a10 - june 6/10

as i could not find a thing to concentrate on it was very difficult for me to tell the difference. both sound not as clear as the original but i can't tell more about it.


for a next test, would it be useful to choose samples out of real music or should i continue with problem-samples?

EDIT: here are the logs, thx for the tip with the codebox

CODE

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:21:35

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\BlackBird.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird a10.mp3

18:21:36 : Test started.
18:21:52 : 01/01 50.0%
18:22:02 : 02/02 25.0%
18:22:14 : 03/03 12.5%
18:22:19 : 04/04 6.3%
18:22:29 : 04/05 18.8%
18:22:53 : 05/06 10.9%
18:23:07 : 06/07 6.3%
18:23:17 : 07/08 3.5%
18:23:23 : 08/09 2.0%
18:23:39 : 09/10 1.1%
18:23:43 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 9/10 (1.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:24:02

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\BlackBird.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird june.mp3

18:24:03 : Test started.
18:24:48 : 01/01 50.0%
18:24:55 : 02/02 25.0%
18:25:02 : 03/03 12.5%
18:25:11 : 04/04 6.3%
18:25:17 : 05/05 3.1%
18:25:23 : 06/06 1.6%
18:25:29 : 07/07 0.8%
18:25:37 : 08/08 0.4%
18:25:43 : 09/09 0.2%
18:25:51 : 10/10 0.1%
18:25:54 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:26:07

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird june.mp3

18:26:08 : Test started.
18:26:27 : 00/01 100.0%
18:26:50 : 01/02 75.0%
18:27:03 : 02/03 50.0%
18:27:12 : 02/04 68.8%
18:28:39 : 03/05 50.0%
18:28:50 : 04/06 34.4%
18:29:02 : 05/07 22.7%
18:31:48 : 06/08 14.5%
18:31:57 : 06/09 25.4%
18:32:04 : 07/10 17.2%
18:32:09 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 7/10 (17.2%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:32:21

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\fatboy.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy a10.mp3

18:32:22 : Test started.
18:33:56 : 01/01 50.0%
18:34:00 : 02/02 25.0%
18:34:03 : 03/03 12.5%
18:34:07 : 04/04 6.3%
18:34:10 : 05/05 3.1%
18:34:13 : 06/06 1.6%
18:34:17 : 07/07 0.8%
18:34:20 : 08/08 0.4%
18:34:23 : 09/09 0.2%
18:34:26 : 10/10 0.1%
18:34:32 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:34:50

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\fatboy.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy june.mp3

18:34:51 : Test started.
18:35:24 : 01/01 50.0%
18:35:27 : 02/02 25.0%
18:35:30 : 03/03 12.5%
18:35:33 : 04/04 6.3%
18:35:39 : 05/05 3.1%
18:35:42 : 06/06 1.6%
18:35:45 : 07/07 0.8%
18:35:48 : 08/08 0.4%
18:35:51 : 09/09 0.2%
18:35:54 : 10/10 0.1%
18:35:59 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:36:51

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy june.mp3

18:36:52 : Test started.
18:38:16 : 01/01 50.0%
18:38:21 : 02/02 25.0%
18:38:27 : 03/03 12.5%
18:38:32 : 04/04 6.3%
18:38:42 : 05/05 3.1%
18:38:47 : 06/06 1.6%
18:38:56 : 07/07 0.8%
18:39:15 : 08/08 0.4%
18:39:20 : 09/09 0.2%
18:39:25 : 10/10 0.1%
18:39:27 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:40:05

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\hihat.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat a10.mp3

18:40:06 : Test started.
18:40:52 : 01/01 50.0%
18:40:56 : 02/02 25.0%
18:41:00 : 03/03 12.5%
18:41:04 : 04/04 6.3%
18:41:07 : 05/05 3.1%
18:41:11 : 06/06 1.6%
18:41:16 : 07/07 0.8%
18:41:20 : 08/08 0.4%
18:41:25 : 09/09 0.2%
18:41:32 : 10/10 0.1%
18:41:36 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:42:03

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\hihat.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat june.mp3

18:42:03 : Test started.
18:42:15 : 01/01 50.0%
18:42:20 : 02/02 25.0%
18:42:24 : 03/03 12.5%
18:42:28 : 04/04 6.3%
18:42:32 : 05/05 3.1%
18:42:36 : 06/06 1.6%
18:42:47 : 07/07 0.8%
18:42:52 : 08/08 0.4%
18:42:55 : 09/09 0.2%
18:42:59 : 10/10 0.1%
18:43:08 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:43:20

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat june.mp3

18:43:20 : Test started.
18:44:10 : 01/01 50.0%
18:44:16 : 02/02 25.0%
18:44:24 : 03/03 12.5%
18:44:36 : 04/04 6.3%
18:44:43 : 04/05 18.8%
18:44:53 : 05/06 10.9%
18:45:00 : 06/07 6.3%
18:45:09 : 07/08 3.5%
18:45:20 : 08/09 2.0%
18:45:34 : 09/10 1.1%
18:45:35 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 9/10 (1.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:45:57

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\main_theme.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme a10.mp3

18:45:59 : Test started.
18:47:35 : 01/01 50.0%
18:47:43 : 02/02 25.0%
18:48:03 : 02/03 50.0%
18:48:20 : 03/04 31.3%
18:48:30 : 04/05 18.8%
18:48:38 : 04/06 34.4%
18:49:58 : 05/07 22.7%
18:50:17 : 05/08 36.3%
18:50:31 : 06/09 25.4%
18:51:23 : 07/10 17.2%
18:51:27 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 7/10 (17.2%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:51:42

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\main_theme.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme june.mp3

18:51:44 : Test started.
18:52:06 : 01/01 50.0%
18:52:13 : 02/02 25.0%
18:52:20 : 03/03 12.5%
18:52:28 : 04/04 6.3%
18:52:36 : 05/05 3.1%
18:52:44 : 06/06 1.6%
18:52:52 : 06/07 6.3%
18:53:22 : 06/08 14.5%
18:53:41 : 07/09 9.0%
18:53:48 : 08/10 5.5%
18:53:50 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 8/10 (5.5%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:54:43

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme june.mp3

18:54:45 : Test started.
18:55:33 : 01/01 50.0%
18:56:46 : 01/02 75.0%
18:57:08 : 02/03 50.0%
18:57:20 : 03/04 31.3%
18:57:34 : 04/05 18.8%
18:57:46 : 05/06 10.9%
18:57:59 : 05/07 22.7%
18:58:17 : 05/08 36.3%
18:58:32 : 06/09 25.4%
18:58:45 : 06/10 37.7%
18:58:47 : Test finished.

----------
Total: 6/10 (37.7%)

This post has been edited by ToS_Maverick: Jun 6 2005, 21:45

[moozooh]

Open the log, select the text, copy, paste it here.

This post has been edited by Mo0zOoH: Jun 6 2005, 20:56

[fedaykin]

Hello

I've decided to test the new version at cbr 128. I'm particularly interested in this setting because a website where I upload my songs requires the mp3's to be cbr, and since the offer limited space I want the files to be as small as possible. While testing lame_june against lame 3.97 alpha 10 (compiled from cvs, LAME version 3.97 (alpha 10, Apr 8 2005 12:38:33)) and lame 3.96.1 from Rarewares with this sample (from Infected Mushroom - Never Ever Land) I noticed an annoying glitch. It appears at 0:12.15 in files encoded with alpha 10 and lame_june, but not 3.96.1. Here's the log:

CODE

ABC/HR for Java, Version 0.5a, 06 czerwiec 2005
Testname: im_01

Tester:

1R = D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav
2L = D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
3L = D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav

---------------------------------------
General Comments:
---------------------------------------
1R File: D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav
1R Rating: 2.5
1R Comment:
---------------------------------------
2L File: D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
2L Rating: 2.5
2L Comment:
---------------------------------------
3L File: D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav
3L Rating: 3.5
3L Comment:
---------------------------------------

ABX Results:
D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav
8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
5 out of 8, pval = 0.363


---- Detailed ABX results ----
D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav
Playback Range: 11.688 to 19.832
7:02:19 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
7:02:22 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
7:02:25 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
7:02:27 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
7:02:30 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
7:02:33 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
7:02:35 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
7:02:38 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
Playback Range: 05.514 to 19.832
6:54:32 PM f 0/1 pval = 1.0
6:54:35 PM f 0/2 pval = 1.0
Playback Range: 11.688 to 19.832
6:55:31 PM p 1/3 pval = 0.875
6:55:34 PM f 1/4 pval = 0.937
6:55:38 PM p 2/5 pval = 0.812
6:55:44 PM p 3/6 pval = 0.656
6:55:50 PM p 4/7 pval = 0.5
6:55:54 PM p 5/8 pval = 0.363

I tried abr 128 (and it solves the glitch problem) too, but I failed at ABX'ing different encodes from one another.
I did another test with another sample (from Infected Mushroom - B.P. Empire). The hihats seem very watery and there's some noticeable ringing (is this the right word?). What's interesting, lame_june sounds better for me than alpha 10, and I failed to ABX it from 3.96.1.
The log:

CODE

ABC/HR for Java, Version 0.5a, 06 czerwiec 2005
Testname: im_02

Tester:

1R = D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav
2R = D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav
3L = D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav

---------------------------------------
General Comments:
---------------------------------------
1R File: D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav
1R Rating: 3.0
1R Comment:
---------------------------------------
2R File: D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav
2R Rating: 3.0
2R Comment:
---------------------------------------
3L File: D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
3L Rating: 2.0
3L Comment:
---------------------------------------

ABX Results:
D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030


---- Detailed ABX results ----
D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
Playback Range: 15.111 to 33.653
9:16:06 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
9:16:09 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
9:16:14 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
9:16:16 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
9:16:19 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
9:16:22 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
9:16:25 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
9:16:31 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
Playback Range: 15.111 to 33.653
9:14:52 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
9:14:54 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
9:14:56 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
9:14:59 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
9:15:04 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
9:15:07 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
9:15:10 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
9:15:13 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

I'll try to do some more tests as soon as I gain access to my other CDs.

edit: following ChiGung's suggestion changed code, to codeboxes, so the post isn't that long

This post has been edited by fedaykin: Jun 6 2005, 21:42

[ToS_Maverick]

Open the log, select the text, copy, paste it here.

i don't like posting kilometer long logs, i would like to attatch them like guru

oooh i forgot to mention, i tested again cbr 128, with no switches

[ChiGung]

Perhaps use [codebox] instead of [code]

Great testing'

This post has been edited by ChiGung: Jun 6 2005, 21:33

[Jechdery]

CODE

WinABX v0.42 test report
06/06/2005 22:18:02

A file: D:\Downloads\Programs\APE music\01 trumpet lame 3.97a10 --abr 128.wav
B file: D:\Downloads\Programs\APE music\02 trumpet lame.june --abr 128.wav


Start position 00:02.0, end position 00:10.0
22:23:00    1/1  p=50.0%
22:23:11    2/2  p=25.0%
22:23:21    3/3  p=12.5%
22:23:32    4/4  p=6.2%
22:23:49    5/5  p=3.1%
22:23:57    6/6  p=1.6%
22:24:05    7/7  p=0.8%
22:24:19    8/8  p=0.4%
22:24:27    9/9  p=0.2%
22:24:36  10/10  p< 0.1%

As noted, samples tested are Trumpet at --abr 128 with lame 3.97a10 and lame june.

Both samples sound very distorted but lame june is the least distorted, 3.97a10 is the worst.

- The same result is obtained with cbr 128 (10/10).
- The same result is obtained with abr 160 (10/10).
- I was able to ABX 10/10 the original trumpet.wav against lame a97a10 --abr 190, but I am unable to ABX trumpet.wav against lame.june --abr 190, or lame a97a10 --abr 190 against lame.june --abr 190. I might try again after some rest.

This post has been edited by Jechdery: Jun 6 2005, 23:49

[guruboolez]

LAME_JUNE :: ABR 128 :: CLASSICAL SAMPLES

I'm very busy at work, and I can only post raw results.

Encoders tested:
• lame 3.96.1
• lame 3.97 alpha10
• lame_june

Samples: 15 classical music samples (my usual suit, uploaded many time, and probably still here.

Results:






ABX logs: http://audiotests.free.fr/tests/2005.06...lassical_128.7z

This post has been edited by guruboolez: Dec 29 2005, 23:16

[guruboolez]

LAME_JUNE :: ABR 128 :: VARIOUS SAMPLES

I'm very busy at work, and I can only post raw results.

Encoders tested:
• lame 3.96.1
• lame 3.97 alpha10
• lame_june

Samples: 15 various music samples (most are coming from ff123, other from Roberto's collective tests).

Results:






ABX logs: http://audiotests.free.fr/tests/2005.06..._various_128.7z


Many thanks to Roberto for his help about plots.

I'll try to post comments later.

This post has been edited by guruboolez: Dec 29 2005, 23:16

[NIN9]

the extreme preset raises the volume to high, standard preset doesn't do that....is this a bug or preconfigured behavior ?

[Madrigal]

the extreme preset raises the volume to high, standard preset doesn't do that....is this a bug or preconfigured behavior ?

It doesn't do this with any files I've tried. The resulting dB levels are identical.

Could you upload or link to any examples that exhibit this behavior? EDIT: (Portions of the original wav's, of course, not the mp3's.)

Regards,
Madrigal

This post has been edited by Madrigal: Jun 13 2005, 14:48