Current CD mastering practices, And why I now buy so few new CD's. |
Current CD mastering practices, And why I now buy so few new CD's. |
Aug 9 2005, 03:50
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Although I've been aware of the ever more destructive levels of compression/limiting used over the last 5-10 years (and taken part in discussions here and other places), it only dawned on me recently that I had unconciously practically stopped buying CD's the last year or two..
By that I'm referring to largely rock, indie, jazz etc, incuding so-called 'remasters'. There are recent releases out there which I would like to own, but with what I've come to expect from modern CD's, I know that an album which I might have 'played to death' over weeks or months in years gone by will simply get boring after a few plays. So I don't buy them. Dynamics, soft/loud contrasts, drama - squashed out of existence. New Queens Of The Stone Age? Probably a great album - but once bitten ..... I'm increasingly going to exchanges to try and find older releases of albums I want, or even buying vinyl versions of new albums where they're released, as they tend not to be afflicted as badly. Obviously there are a proportion of buyers who only lsiten to CD's in the car or on personals in noisy environments who couldn't care less and will keep buying, but there must be a lot of others who, like me, are completely disillusioned with this 'loudness fetish' crap and have simply lost interest. In fact I wonder how much this has contributed to the stagnancy in sales over the last few years that the 'industry' whines about so frequently? R. |
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Aug 10 2005, 16:08
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Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 13-May 05 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 22035 |
I have to add that I just think that we have Yet Another Reason to buy with our ears.
The recent Sony/BMG payola settlement should, I believe, "settle" (ahem) once and for all any doubts that, in this industry anyway, the tin-hat folks are on to something. Perhaps someone will start independantly rating things like the dynamic range on recordings. It gets a little dicey here - the very folks who have done this in the past end up being the same publishers who also foist off audio snake oil ($6000 speaker wires). I do have a Personal Theory: the music is being engineered to be played in cars. Or iPods on noisy subways. In a Just World, music would be mixed for a listening room and the electronics (in personal devices and car stereos) would have a "noisy background" setting that was nothing more than a compressor, IMHO. But the truth is, those of us who are neurotic (I said "us" and include myself before anyone gets all defensive here) enough to have a listening room and/or decent-cans-and-amps are a tiny minority. The "Market" seems to love what is being put out. Me? When I wanna show a friend "what I'm talkin' about" regarding dynamic range, I set 'em down in my living room, turn off the lights, and roll the "Firebird Suite" from Fantasia 2000. That sucker always wakes 'em up, heh heh... Mark |
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RockFan Current CD mastering practices Aug 9 2005, 03:50
Shade[ST] I have a few King Crimson, Jascha Heifetz, and Hor... Aug 9 2005, 04:26
irishcrazy2005 I am by no means an audiophile, and I guess that I... Aug 9 2005, 06:43
matth6546 QUOTE (irishcrazy2005 @ Aug 9 2005, 12:43 AM)... Aug 9 2005, 20:31
Vanishing QUOTE (matth6546 @ Aug 9 2005, 09:31 PM)today... Aug 10 2005, 09:05
Bob Speer Text removed by author Mar 4 2006, 07:30
WmAx QUOTE (RockFan @ Aug 8 2005, 10:50 PM)...
Ro... Aug 9 2005, 06:47
wodney I concur with the thread poster. I rarely buy cd... Aug 9 2005, 20:56
Lyx Guess it depends on music-taste...... with most of... Aug 10 2005, 12:02
esa372 A case in point: Rush
:edit: link Aug 10 2005, 14:32
chri5 I agree. An album which has been mastered without ... Aug 10 2005, 15:29
legg QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 10:08 AM)... Aug 10 2005, 16:20
PoisonDan QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:08 PM)... Aug 10 2005, 16:29

snookerdoodle QUOTE (PoisonDan @ Aug 10 2005, 09:29 AM)Havi... Aug 10 2005, 17:17

no.667 QUOTE (PoisonDan @ Aug 10 2005, 07:29 AM)Also... Sep 12 2005, 20:35
RockFan QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 07:08 AM)... Aug 10 2005, 23:04
Cartoon QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:08 PM)... Aug 11 2005, 11:18

snookerdoodle QUOTE (Cartoon @ Aug 11 2005, 04:18 AM)In pri... Aug 11 2005, 15:30
GeSomeone QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:08 PM)... Aug 14 2005, 23:15
irishcrazy2005 OK, this is going to sound very stupid, but rememb... Aug 10 2005, 18:13
Lyx QUOTE (irishcrazy2005 @ Aug 10 2005, 07:13 PM... Aug 10 2005, 23:11
bug80 QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 11 2005, 12:11 AM)QUOTE (iri... Aug 11 2005, 11:12
irishcrazy2005 QUOTE (bug80 @ Aug 11 2005, 04:12 AM)I hope t... Aug 11 2005, 17:01
Funkstar De Luxe Norman people don't give a fuck about how a CD... Aug 10 2005, 23:25
Lyx QUOTE (Funkstar De Luxe @ Aug 11 2005, 12:25 ... Aug 11 2005, 00:42
WmAx QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 10 2005, 07:42 PM)QUOTE (Fun... Aug 11 2005, 01:14
RockFan I forgot to include one of the most important casu... Aug 10 2005, 23:26
snookerdoodle CNN has an article about the industry and how de... Aug 11 2005, 17:55
Erukian I sorted foobar's playlist by album gain, and ... Aug 11 2005, 18:58
Mo0zOoH ‘The Wall’ mastered by Fidelity Labs g... Aug 12 2005, 22:25
esa372 QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Aug 12 2005, 02:25 PM)‘The W... Aug 14 2005, 16:25
Mo0zOoH QUOTE (esa372 @ Aug 14 2005, 06:25 PM)QUOTE (... Aug 16 2005, 03:21
Cyaneyes QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Aug 15 2005, 10:21 PM)QUOTE ... Aug 16 2005, 03:29
NeoRenegade QUOTE (irishcrazy2005 @ Aug 10 2005, 12:13 PM... Aug 14 2005, 18:40
HotshotGG QUOTE I forgot to include one of the most importan... Aug 15 2005, 00:16
Hermit-ically Sealed Hi, I'm a lurker of this site from time to tim... Aug 16 2005, 05:50
Lyx oh
my
god!
Maybe even that animation on loudn... Aug 16 2005, 06:58
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 15 2005, 09:58 PM)oh
my
god... Aug 17 2005, 00:50
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 15 2005, 09:58 PM)if i read ... Aug 17 2005, 02:29
BradPDX I have produced several CDs and been a participati... Aug 17 2005, 01:39
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 16 2005, 04:39 PM)Let me... Aug 17 2005, 03:11

WmAx For examples of albums with simple microphone plac... Aug 17 2005, 03:21

richms QUOTE (Hermit-ically Sealed @ Aug 16 200... Aug 17 2005, 05:01
Lyx QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 02:39 AM)But ta... Aug 17 2005, 04:04

bug80 QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 17 2005, 05:04 AM)QUOTE Oh s... Sep 1 2005, 12:45

Yaztromo Sorry if this has been posted before but I noticed... Sep 5 2005, 23:20
GeSomeone QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 02:39 AM)The pr... Sep 1 2005, 11:14
Julien QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 01:39 AM)I have... Sep 12 2005, 14:13
markanini QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 02:13 PM)What wo... Sep 12 2005, 14:56
esa372 QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 01:39 AM)When t... Sep 12 2005, 15:50
bug80 QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 03:13 PM)QUOTE (... Sep 12 2005, 17:03
B.Fink QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 02:13 PM)What wo... Mar 15 2006, 16:33
PoisonDan QUOTE (B.Fink @ Mar 15 2006, 05:33 PM)QUOTE (... Mar 15 2006, 17:46
Triza QUOTE (PoisonDan @ Mar 15 2006, 08:46 AM)QUOT... Mar 16 2006, 02:53
dreamliner77 It's not that we are all the use of any compre... Aug 17 2005, 01:42
Axon Heh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Alleged... Aug 17 2005, 01:49
RockFan QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 16 2005, 04:49 PM)Heh, I wo... Aug 17 2005, 02:09
richms Another issue I have is that a few of the recent C... Aug 17 2005, 03:38
Hancoque I have another example for poor mastering. This is... Sep 6 2005, 01:38
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (Hancoque @ Sep 5 2005, 04:38 PM)I post... Sep 6 2005, 05:34
Martel QUOTE (Hancoque @ Sep 5 2005, 04:38 PM)... It... Mar 6 2006, 17:14
Hancoque QUOTE (Martel @ Mar 6 2006, 06:14 PM)edit: Pe... Mar 6 2006, 18:58
Martel QUOTE (Hancoque @ Mar 6 2006, 09:58 AM)... I ... Mar 7 2006, 17:33
shadowking Till this day I cannot sit through St Anger. In co... Sep 6 2005, 09:00
Axon Hancoque, do you have a link to that Metallica for... Sep 6 2005, 18:04
Hancoque They seem to have changed the forums. I can't ... Sep 6 2005, 18:10
Vanishing I just read a review of the new Waves L3 Multiband... Sep 8 2005, 13:30
bug80 QUOTE (Vanishing @ Sep 8 2005, 02:30 PM)I jus... Sep 8 2005, 13:36
Cyaneyes QUOTE (Vanishing @ Sep 8 2005, 08:30 AM)I jus... Sep 8 2005, 15:12
Grey QUOTE (RockFan @ Aug 8 2005, 10:50 PM)In fact... Sep 12 2005, 00:34
micmac QUOTE (Grey @ Sep 11 2005, 05:34 PM)QUOTE (Ro... Mar 9 2006, 07:31
Triza Julien,
Iteresting debate. Good points why compre... Sep 12 2005, 15:06
Julien QUOTE (Triza @ Sep 12 2005, 03:06 PM)Julien,
... Sep 12 2005, 16:41
Triza QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 07:41 AM)QUOTE (... Sep 12 2005, 18:01

Julien QUOTE (Triza @ Sep 12 2005, 06:01 PM)QUOTE (J... Sep 12 2005, 19:01
Cyaneyes QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 11:41 AM)Clippin... Sep 13 2005, 19:35
Drexl I don't remember where it was, but I remember ... Sep 12 2005, 20:36
no.667 QUOTE (Drexl @ Sep 12 2005, 11:36 AM)I don... Sep 12 2005, 21:01
trebius Ok now i'm new to the audiophile side of the a... Sep 12 2005, 23:54
Triza Indeed. A bit OT:
The other interesting thing is ... Sep 13 2005, 00:25
seannyb Hard limiting / compression is only half the story... Sep 15 2005, 03:49
Triza Well you can tell me whatever you want, but 16 bit... Sep 15 2005, 13:29
Acid8000 I just bought the 1994 remaster of Pink Floyd... Sep 16 2005, 05:36
dreamliner77 Gotta love that PIO got the last quote: http://ww... Mar 4 2006, 07:51
Never_Again Great idea, agreed. Where do I sign? Mar 15 2006, 19:19
Axon I tried to make a similar proposal on SteveHoffman... Mar 15 2006, 20:03
BradPDX I don't think that the idea of onboard compres... Mar 15 2006, 20:07
Axon That's contingent on producers buying into the... Mar 15 2006, 20:18
BradPDX QUOTE (Axon @ Mar 15 2006, 12:18 PM)That... Mar 15 2006, 20:42
eZze this is my first post here...
i was reading about ... Mar 16 2006, 04:21
Lyx QUOTE (eZze @ Mar 16 2006, 04:21 AM)this is m... Mar 16 2006, 06:08![]() ![]() |
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