Current CD mastering practices, And why I now buy so few new CD's. |
Current CD mastering practices, And why I now buy so few new CD's. |
Aug 9 2005, 03:50
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Although I've been aware of the ever more destructive levels of compression/limiting used over the last 5-10 years (and taken part in discussions here and other places), it only dawned on me recently that I had unconciously practically stopped buying CD's the last year or two..
By that I'm referring to largely rock, indie, jazz etc, incuding so-called 'remasters'. There are recent releases out there which I would like to own, but with what I've come to expect from modern CD's, I know that an album which I might have 'played to death' over weeks or months in years gone by will simply get boring after a few plays. So I don't buy them. Dynamics, soft/loud contrasts, drama - squashed out of existence. New Queens Of The Stone Age? Probably a great album - but once bitten ..... I'm increasingly going to exchanges to try and find older releases of albums I want, or even buying vinyl versions of new albums where they're released, as they tend not to be afflicted as badly. Obviously there are a proportion of buyers who only lsiten to CD's in the car or on personals in noisy environments who couldn't care less and will keep buying, but there must be a lot of others who, like me, are completely disillusioned with this 'loudness fetish' crap and have simply lost interest. In fact I wonder how much this has contributed to the stagnancy in sales over the last few years that the 'industry' whines about so frequently? R. |
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Aug 14 2005, 18:40
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QUOTE (irishcrazy2005 @ Aug 10 2005, 12:13 PM) OK, this is going to sound very stupid, but remember that I am new here. I understand that clipping is when the volume tops 0 dB, but what does that sound like? I really have no clue what you guys are talking about. If you want to know, there's one easy way. Take an MP3, load it into MP3Gain, and adjust the gain to around 106 or 112dB. Then listen to the MP3.-Phil This won't permanently damage the MP3; remember, MP3gain is completely lossless and reversible. QUOTE (Funkstar De Luxe @ Aug 10 2005, 05:25 PM) Norman people don't give a fuck about how a CD sounds. Infact, I done a few silly test wich seemed to show they prefered fucked up music. I know what you mean! I've had times, especially back in high school, when I'd pass my CD player to a friend so they can sample my music collection, and they'd turn the volume up as high as it can go, and turn on the old "bass boost" feature. The result is horrible. To paraphrase Rip Rowan, it's more white noise than music. All the bass drum pumps are reduced to dull thuds enveloped in static. And yet this is how they like it. This post has been edited by NeoRenegade: Aug 14 2005, 18:41 |
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RockFan Current CD mastering practices Aug 9 2005, 03:50
Shade[ST] I have a few King Crimson, Jascha Heifetz, and Hor... Aug 9 2005, 04:26
irishcrazy2005 I am by no means an audiophile, and I guess that I... Aug 9 2005, 06:43
matth6546 QUOTE (irishcrazy2005 @ Aug 9 2005, 12:43 AM)... Aug 9 2005, 20:31
Vanishing QUOTE (matth6546 @ Aug 9 2005, 09:31 PM)today... Aug 10 2005, 09:05
Bob Speer Text removed by author Mar 4 2006, 07:30
WmAx QUOTE (RockFan @ Aug 8 2005, 10:50 PM)...
Ro... Aug 9 2005, 06:47
wodney I concur with the thread poster. I rarely buy cd... Aug 9 2005, 20:56
Lyx Guess it depends on music-taste...... with most of... Aug 10 2005, 12:02
esa372 A case in point: Rush
:edit: link Aug 10 2005, 14:32
chri5 I agree. An album which has been mastered without ... Aug 10 2005, 15:29
snookerdoodle I have to add that I just think that we have Yet A... Aug 10 2005, 16:08
legg QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 10:08 AM)... Aug 10 2005, 16:20
PoisonDan QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:08 PM)... Aug 10 2005, 16:29

snookerdoodle QUOTE (PoisonDan @ Aug 10 2005, 09:29 AM)Havi... Aug 10 2005, 17:17

no.667 QUOTE (PoisonDan @ Aug 10 2005, 07:29 AM)Also... Sep 12 2005, 20:35
RockFan QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 07:08 AM)... Aug 10 2005, 23:04
Cartoon QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:08 PM)... Aug 11 2005, 11:18

snookerdoodle QUOTE (Cartoon @ Aug 11 2005, 04:18 AM)In pri... Aug 11 2005, 15:30
GeSomeone QUOTE (snookerdoodle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:08 PM)... Aug 14 2005, 23:15
irishcrazy2005 OK, this is going to sound very stupid, but rememb... Aug 10 2005, 18:13
Lyx QUOTE (irishcrazy2005 @ Aug 10 2005, 07:13 PM... Aug 10 2005, 23:11
bug80 QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 11 2005, 12:11 AM)QUOTE (iri... Aug 11 2005, 11:12
irishcrazy2005 QUOTE (bug80 @ Aug 11 2005, 04:12 AM)I hope t... Aug 11 2005, 17:01
Funkstar De Luxe Norman people don't give a fuck about how a CD... Aug 10 2005, 23:25
Lyx QUOTE (Funkstar De Luxe @ Aug 11 2005, 12:25 ... Aug 11 2005, 00:42
WmAx QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 10 2005, 07:42 PM)QUOTE (Fun... Aug 11 2005, 01:14
RockFan I forgot to include one of the most important casu... Aug 10 2005, 23:26
snookerdoodle CNN has an article about the industry and how de... Aug 11 2005, 17:55
Erukian I sorted foobar's playlist by album gain, and ... Aug 11 2005, 18:58
Mo0zOoH ‘The Wall’ mastered by Fidelity Labs g... Aug 12 2005, 22:25
esa372 QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Aug 12 2005, 02:25 PM)‘The W... Aug 14 2005, 16:25
Mo0zOoH QUOTE (esa372 @ Aug 14 2005, 06:25 PM)QUOTE (... Aug 16 2005, 03:21
Cyaneyes QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Aug 15 2005, 10:21 PM)QUOTE ... Aug 16 2005, 03:29
HotshotGG QUOTE I forgot to include one of the most importan... Aug 15 2005, 00:16
Hermit-ically Sealed Hi, I'm a lurker of this site from time to tim... Aug 16 2005, 05:50
Lyx oh
my
god!
Maybe even that animation on loudn... Aug 16 2005, 06:58
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 15 2005, 09:58 PM)oh
my
god... Aug 17 2005, 00:50
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 15 2005, 09:58 PM)if i read ... Aug 17 2005, 02:29
BradPDX I have produced several CDs and been a participati... Aug 17 2005, 01:39
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 16 2005, 04:39 PM)Let me... Aug 17 2005, 03:11

WmAx For examples of albums with simple microphone plac... Aug 17 2005, 03:21

richms QUOTE (Hermit-ically Sealed @ Aug 16 200... Aug 17 2005, 05:01
Lyx QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 02:39 AM)But ta... Aug 17 2005, 04:04

bug80 QUOTE (Lyx @ Aug 17 2005, 05:04 AM)QUOTE Oh s... Sep 1 2005, 12:45

Yaztromo Sorry if this has been posted before but I noticed... Sep 5 2005, 23:20
GeSomeone QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 02:39 AM)The pr... Sep 1 2005, 11:14
Julien QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 01:39 AM)I have... Sep 12 2005, 14:13
markanini QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 02:13 PM)What wo... Sep 12 2005, 14:56
esa372 QUOTE (BradPDX @ Aug 17 2005, 01:39 AM)When t... Sep 12 2005, 15:50
bug80 QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 03:13 PM)QUOTE (... Sep 12 2005, 17:03
B.Fink QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 02:13 PM)What wo... Mar 15 2006, 16:33
PoisonDan QUOTE (B.Fink @ Mar 15 2006, 05:33 PM)QUOTE (... Mar 15 2006, 17:46
Triza QUOTE (PoisonDan @ Mar 15 2006, 08:46 AM)QUOT... Mar 16 2006, 02:53
dreamliner77 It's not that we are all the use of any compre... Aug 17 2005, 01:42
Axon Heh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Alleged... Aug 17 2005, 01:49
RockFan QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 16 2005, 04:49 PM)Heh, I wo... Aug 17 2005, 02:09
richms Another issue I have is that a few of the recent C... Aug 17 2005, 03:38
Hancoque I have another example for poor mastering. This is... Sep 6 2005, 01:38
Hermit-ically Sealed QUOTE (Hancoque @ Sep 5 2005, 04:38 PM)I post... Sep 6 2005, 05:34
Martel QUOTE (Hancoque @ Sep 5 2005, 04:38 PM)... It... Mar 6 2006, 17:14
Hancoque QUOTE (Martel @ Mar 6 2006, 06:14 PM)edit: Pe... Mar 6 2006, 18:58
Martel QUOTE (Hancoque @ Mar 6 2006, 09:58 AM)... I ... Mar 7 2006, 17:33
shadowking Till this day I cannot sit through St Anger. In co... Sep 6 2005, 09:00
Axon Hancoque, do you have a link to that Metallica for... Sep 6 2005, 18:04
Hancoque They seem to have changed the forums. I can't ... Sep 6 2005, 18:10
Vanishing I just read a review of the new Waves L3 Multiband... Sep 8 2005, 13:30
bug80 QUOTE (Vanishing @ Sep 8 2005, 02:30 PM)I jus... Sep 8 2005, 13:36
Cyaneyes QUOTE (Vanishing @ Sep 8 2005, 08:30 AM)I jus... Sep 8 2005, 15:12
Grey QUOTE (RockFan @ Aug 8 2005, 10:50 PM)In fact... Sep 12 2005, 00:34
micmac QUOTE (Grey @ Sep 11 2005, 05:34 PM)QUOTE (Ro... Mar 9 2006, 07:31
Triza Julien,
Iteresting debate. Good points why compre... Sep 12 2005, 15:06
Julien QUOTE (Triza @ Sep 12 2005, 03:06 PM)Julien,
... Sep 12 2005, 16:41
Triza QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 07:41 AM)QUOTE (... Sep 12 2005, 18:01

Julien QUOTE (Triza @ Sep 12 2005, 06:01 PM)QUOTE (J... Sep 12 2005, 19:01
Cyaneyes QUOTE (Julien @ Sep 12 2005, 11:41 AM)Clippin... Sep 13 2005, 19:35
Drexl I don't remember where it was, but I remember ... Sep 12 2005, 20:36
no.667 QUOTE (Drexl @ Sep 12 2005, 11:36 AM)I don... Sep 12 2005, 21:01
trebius Ok now i'm new to the audiophile side of the a... Sep 12 2005, 23:54
Triza Indeed. A bit OT:
The other interesting thing is ... Sep 13 2005, 00:25
seannyb Hard limiting / compression is only half the story... Sep 15 2005, 03:49
Triza Well you can tell me whatever you want, but 16 bit... Sep 15 2005, 13:29
Acid8000 I just bought the 1994 remaster of Pink Floyd... Sep 16 2005, 05:36
dreamliner77 Gotta love that PIO got the last quote: http://ww... Mar 4 2006, 07:51
Never_Again Great idea, agreed. Where do I sign? Mar 15 2006, 19:19
Axon I tried to make a similar proposal on SteveHoffman... Mar 15 2006, 20:03
BradPDX I don't think that the idea of onboard compres... Mar 15 2006, 20:07
Axon That's contingent on producers buying into the... Mar 15 2006, 20:18
BradPDX QUOTE (Axon @ Mar 15 2006, 12:18 PM)That... Mar 15 2006, 20:42
eZze this is my first post here...
i was reading about ... Mar 16 2006, 04:21
Lyx QUOTE (eZze @ Mar 16 2006, 04:21 AM)this is m... Mar 16 2006, 06:08![]() ![]() |
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