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LyricsDB discussion, discussion of the foo_lyricsdb plugin
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post Nov 9 2005, 21:20
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QUOTE (kockroach @ Nov 9 2005, 09:43 PM)
I don't allow foobar to change my files at all.
That's pretty clean opinion :). I am not really upset, just can't understand why you (and other people) asking about that. It's not really so hard to add that feature. If you don't want to mass-import-through-database-and-reformat-on-the-fly-with-scrolling-preview for example, it won't be too difficult to implement (but you still must inform me what exactly you want). And sure there's something I can do, but I don't promice to make it too fast, runnig out of time...


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post Nov 9 2005, 22:17
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I was hoping to be able to display the file in the foo_uie_lyrics window or perhaps foo_lyricshow. That would require the file to be saved with a .lrc extension. From what I see, foo_uie_lyrics only accepts .lrc or .lrc8, but foo_lyricshow allows one to set the file type.

You make a good point about mass import. It would be better to be able to pull lyrics in for sets of files.

It probably isn't worth the trouble to add the save to file feature if it cannot do mass import/saves. Thanks for listening though smile.gif
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post Nov 9 2005, 23:53
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QUOTE (kockroach @ Nov 9 2005, 06:17 PM)
I was hoping to be able to display the file in the foo_uie_lyrics window or perhaps foo_lyricshow.  That would require the file to be saved with a .lrc extension.  From what I see, foo_uie_lyrics only accepts .lrc or .lrc8, but foo_lyricshow allows one to set the file type.

You make a good point about mass import.  It would be better to be able to pull lyrics in for sets of files. 

It probably isn't worth the trouble to add the save to file feature if it cannot do mass import/saves.  Thanks for listening though smile.gif
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Actually that is not entirely correct. lyricshow and uie_lyrics can read both files and the embedded lyric tag (though I was never able to make uie_lyrics read .lrc files properly). I use both plugins for reading the lyric tag.
The lyric tag is a much cleaner solution IMO and I believe that not changing tags in the files is a paradigm IMO, of course. I'm sure you have your reasons... wink.gif

What I don't understand is you comment on the foobar DB. If you have the lyrics embedded in the files you don't need the foobar DB to remeber them at all. Even if you loose the foobar DB it wouldn't be a problem I think...

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post Nov 10 2005, 00:29
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betas seemd to be stable, so 0.0.5 released, same url, same everything.


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post Nov 10 2005, 02:09
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QUOTE (beto @ Nov 9 2005, 04:53 PM)
Actually that is not entirely correct. lyricshow and uie_lyrics can read both files and the embedded lyric tag (though I was never able to make uie_lyrics read .lrc files properly). I use both plugins for reading the lyric tag.
The lyric tag is a much cleaner solution IMO and I believe that not changing tags in the files is a paradigm IMO, of course. I'm sure you have your reasons... wink.gif

What I don't understand is you comment on the foobar DB. If you have the lyrics embedded in the files you don't need the foobar DB to remeber them at all. Even if you loose the foobar DB it wouldn't be a problem I think...
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I did know that the plugins could read both tags and files, I was only speaking about the files though.

The reason why I do not want to tag is because of the foo_playcount plugin. Foo_playcount has a "DB Only Mask" option, which keeps the plugin from writing PLAY_COUNTER, LAST_PLAYED, etc. It will write these tags if another type of tag is changed, added or deleted in foobar. This means that when foo_lyricsdb writes the lyric tag, foo_playcount will now write its tags, which had previously been stored only in the database.

I do not want to save the foo_playcount tags in my files, but I do want to see that info in fb2k (it's useful for hotness). The only way for me to keep these tags from being written to the files is to activate the "Block tag update operations" option in the Database. This will mean that if the database is lost for some reason, then the lyrics would be too.

That's why I would prefer having them in file format, as opposed to tags.

I have tested this out, so I know that is how it works.

As I said to dug earlier, if he doesn't want to add the option to save to files or tags, I would not have a problem.

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post Nov 10 2005, 09:58
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QUOTE (kockroach @ Nov 10 2005, 04:09 AM)
The reason why I do not want to tag is because of the foo_playcount plugin.  Foo_playcount has a "DB Only Mask" option, which keeps the plugin from writing PLAY_COUNTER, LAST_PLAYED, etc.

May be it's more about foo_playcount rather than about foo_lyricsdb?


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post Nov 10 2005, 23:04
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The reason why I do not want to tag is because of the foo_playcount plugin. Foo_playcount has a "DB Only Mask" option, which keeps the plugin from writing PLAY_COUNTER, LAST_PLAYED, etc. It will write these tags if another type of tag is changed, added or deleted in foobar. This means that when foo_lyricsdb writes the lyric tag, foo_playcount will now write its tags, which had previously been stored only in the database.


I understand. So why don't you use the sqlite version of foo_playcount? Instead of writing this info in the files tags it writes to a sqlite database.
I've been using it for some time now and it works flawlessly. Setting up the db is easy and straightforward. The solution is also lightweight.

Take a look here:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....90&#entry276290

hope this helps.

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post Nov 10 2005, 23:29
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I thought about that as an alternative. When I did some searching for it yesterday, I could not find an active link. The link through the thread you give is also dead. I found kode54's current website, and the plugin isn't listed.

I wonder if he stopped developing it, as the foo_playcount plugin has changed so much with kl33per taking over development. Another problem is that the tagz are different. I don't think I want to take the time to redo everything.

I am going to have to rethink what I want to do. Thanks for the help. And sorry if this thread got a little sidetracked....I didn't mean for it to happen.
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post Nov 17 2005, 19:17
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the database crossed 50'000 mark!

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post Nov 19 2005, 22:07
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I just want to say Dug that i LOVE your plugin... but you do you think you will ever be supporting any sort of timestamped lyrics anytime? beacuse i've timestamp'd TONS of albums and would love to be uploading them.
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post Nov 20 2005, 04:08
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Great thanks for this plugin smile.gif Top notch, indeed.
I wasn't able to discern from postings and documents on your site, if complain
feature is already working. I wanted to complain on some wrong lyrics and strange quotes, in them, but i couldn't. Is it still in development? I was wondering since i saw on another lyric that there WAS 1 complain, as if it was already possible.

thx in advance smile.gif

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post Nov 20 2005, 09:29
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QUOTE (likeatree @ Nov 19 2005, 11:07 PM)
I just want to say Dug that i LOVE your plugin... but you do you think you will ever be supporting any sort of timestamped lyrics anytime? beacuse i've timestamp'd TONS of albums and would love to be uploading them.
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You can upload them, but timestamp will be removed.
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post Nov 21 2005, 09:15
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QUOTE (Oby @ Nov 19 2005, 07:08 PM)
Great thanks for this plugin smile.gif Top notch, indeed.
I wasn't able to discern from postings and documents on your site, if complain
feature is already working. I wanted to complain on some wrong lyrics and strange quotes, in them, but i couldn't. Is it still in development? I was wondering since i saw on another lyric that there WAS 1 complain, as if it was already possible.

thx in advance smile.gif
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Yes, you can file a complaint on the site, but I'm not sure if this is only available to logged on users.

I think dug is currently working to enhance this feature: in the future it should be possible to post a comment with each complaint.

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post Nov 21 2005, 13:00
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QUOTE (mobyduck @ Nov 21 2005, 10:15 AM)
QUOTE (Oby @ Nov 19 2005, 07:08 PM)
Great thanks for this plugin smile.gif Top notch, indeed.
I wasn't able to discern from postings and documents on your site, if complain
feature is already working. I wanted to complain on some wrong lyrics and strange quotes, in them, but i couldn't. Is it still in development? I was wondering since i saw on another lyric that there WAS 1 complain, as if it was already possible.

thx in advance smile.gif
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Yes, you can file a complaint on the site, but I'm not sure if this is only available to logged on users.

I think dug is currently working to enhance this feature: in the future it should be possible to post a comment with each complaint.

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Yes, indeed, I noticed it works. But, when i click on complain, it always re-refreshes the site, ad infintium wink.gif After i stopped it and rechecked, entry had mark "complaints 1" or similar.
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post Nov 21 2005, 16:41
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Hi dug, I have a question:

Is there any way to query the database to retrieve all lyrics uploaded by a particular user? I want to check if the ones I uploaded are ok.

Also, I was testing the manage lyrics option and tried to delete one version of a lyric that has 4 versions uploaded to the database (I checked and the one that I was trying to delete is already in the database), however instead of deleting it the system just freezes the lyric.
Maybe it is something related to my user permissions, but since I'm not sure I decided to report anyway...

The lyrics are here:

http://lyrics.mirkforce.net/cgi-bin/manage....cgi?lyid=48598


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post Nov 22 2005, 23:57
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QUOTE (likeatree @ Nov 20 2005, 12:07 AM)
I just want to say Dug that i LOVE your plugin... but you do you think you will ever be supporting any sort of timestamped lyrics anytime? beacuse i've timestamp'd TONS of albums and would love to be uploading them.
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I really just don't like the idea of timestamped lyrics, may be it could be possible to save timestamps and optionally kill them on the fly for some users, and leave for others... but later...


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post Nov 23 2005, 00:00
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QUOTE (Oby @ Nov 20 2005, 06:08 AM)
I wanted to complain....
You can now! Now complains have short descriotion, where you can say what you don't like about that lyrics, thax for reminding about that, and thanx for collaboration too.
p.s. i killed almost all complaits (i think 99% of them were just test) part of complaints i've fixed... so since now it should be really comfortable feature to maintain lyrics (stuff for the staff).


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QUOTE (beto @ Nov 21 2005, 06:41 PM)
Is there any way to query the database to retrieve all lyrics uploaded by a particular user? I want to check if the ones I uploaded are ok.

not yet. i'll add "my lyrics" link to the user interface, this feature already been requesting, and i remmeber by who ;)
QUOTE (beto @ Nov 21 2005, 06:41 PM)
Also, I was testing the manage lyrics option and tried to delete one version of a lyric that has 4 versions uploaded to the database (I checked and the one that I was trying to delete is already in the database), however instead of deleting it the system just freezes the lyric.
Maybe it is something related to my user permissions...

yep, thats question of permissions. low-level users only can freaze lyrics. actually it is almost equal to the deletion: frozen lyrics can't be retrieved by the plugin and... i think... by the anonymous web-interface :)


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post Nov 23 2005, 01:38
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ok. thanks a bunch for the information and for putting this database up.
I must say that I've been searching forever for a clean and easy solution to manage lyrics in my audio library and your lyricsDB is by far the best solution available.

My hat is off to you sir. biggrin.gif


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post Nov 23 2005, 12:53
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Small bug in the webface, if I set the session expire time to 0 and click save the checkbox for 'Hide letters on top of page' will be checked even if I unchecked it.
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post Nov 25 2005, 01:11
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Hi dug. Does you database support the album artist tag?

In simple terms this tag is used to denote the artist of a tribute album that has songs recorded by several other artists.

It would be interesting for the plugin to have an option to look for this tag before uploading content to the db. If this tag is found it should upload/download the lyrics related to the string in the album artist tag and not in the artist tag.

I hope my explanation is clear for you.... biggrin.gif Do you think that this is possible?

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post Dec 3 2005, 01:43
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QUOTE (beto @ Nov 25 2005, 03:11 AM)
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I hope my explanation is clear for you.... biggrin.gif Do you think that this is possible?
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just don't think, that it worth complicating plugin...


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post Dec 9 2005, 01:25
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first beta for 0.0.6 is out, there
only one thing is new - proxy support. And a little (very) bug, fixed, thanks to Anas.
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post Dec 9 2005, 23:50
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QUOTE (beto @ Nov 21 2005, 06:41 PM)
Is there any way to query the database to retrieve all lyrics uploaded by a particular user? I want to check if the ones I uploaded are ok.
forgotten to inform you. I've added "my lyrics" to the web-interface, so you can check lyrics, you have exported to the database.
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QUOTE (dug @ Dec 2 2005, 09:43 PM)
QUOTE (beto @ Nov 25 2005, 03:11 AM)
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I hope my explanation is clear for you.... biggrin.gif Do you think that this is possible?
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just don't think, that it worth complicating plugin...
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Maybe you're right. It's not that essential.... cool.gif


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