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Oct 8 2005, 23:55
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The ZIP contains 4 files:
- dsd2pcm.jar (the converter written in Java, outputs raw 24/88 PCM, intel byte order) - info.txt (contains some infos) - test2822k.dsd (14 seconds, mono DSD, 5 megs) - test44k.mp3 (conversion result) have fun, Sebi Edit-2011: For the latest C/C++ source code see https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/ It is released under the new BSD license. The attatchment to this post is still the first Java release. This post has been edited by SebastianG: Dec 4 2011, 17:45
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Nov 25 2009, 04:59
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Yes, let's all thank LukeS for being a boy scout and reciting Digital Signal Processing 101 to the rest of us. Particularly that bit about how designing reconstruction filters with a transition band of 0.08Fs is impossible, which is why you can't encode 0-22k perfectly in Fs=48khz. And how FIR filters cause nonlinear distortion.
Sorry for being a bastard, since it doesn't seem like you're wrong per se, at least on most of what you're saying. Nobody's disputing that the transition band ought to be at least a couple khz wide to reduce ringing, or that we'd all like to increase sample rates in the absence of any other cost or effect. You've read Lipshitz/Vanderkooy, right? This post has been edited by Axon: Nov 25 2009, 05:18 |
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Nov 25 2009, 05:21
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Yes, let's all thank LukeS for being a boy scout and reciting Digital Signal Processing 101 to the rest of us. Particularly that bit about how designing reconstruction filters with a transition band of 0.08Fs is impossible, which is why you can't encode 0-22k perfectly in Fs=48khz. And how FIR filters cause nonlinear distortion. Sorry for being a bastard, since it doesn't seem like you're wrong per se, at least on most of what you're saying. Nobody's disputing that the transition band ought to be at least a couple khz wide to reduce ringing, or that we'd all like to increase sample rates in the absence of any other cost or effect. You've read Lipshitz/Vanderkooy, right? No need to be sarcastic, if you feel like explaining it better please do so. I may have messed up the terminology because DSP is not my thing. I am not much of an analog or DSP person, I do digital design and prefer to stick with board design and digital logic design. The bottom line was I knew that 48kHz does not perfectly preserve the 0-22kHz band and the guy wanted an explanation so I tried. Thanks for the link to the paper, I am really new to SACD and i'll give it a read. I nowhere claim SACD is perfect either and really just want to rip it for the multichannel audio that many artists do not offer in any other format. This post has been edited by LukeS: Nov 25 2009, 05:26 |
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Nov 25 2009, 10:24
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The bottom line was I knew that 48kHz does not perfectly preserve the 0-22kHz band and the guy wanted an explanation so I tried. The question is - how many people actually care? If you have a 48kHz fs content which is has a low-pass applied rolling-off from 21kHz (say -3dB @ 21kHz) how many people would be able to actually hear this? I remember when I was 18 I could hear up to 20kHz (18,5 kHz @ 29) but since most people usually don't have enough money at that age to buy an equipment able to reproduce such content flawlessly, I guess it does not matter much if at all (the consequences being largely academical).The point is, if you want to hear the "true music", you go to a live performance where the stuff in question does not usually matter. -------------------- HD 238 Sansa Clip+ Vorbis q6; HD 380 Xonar DX FB2k FLAC
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SebastianG DSD-2-PCM -- proof of concept Oct 8 2005, 23:55
skamp Now you need to develop a DVD-ROM driver for readi... Oct 9 2005, 01:27
SebastianG QUOTE (skamp @ Oct 9 2005, 01:27 AM)Now you n... Oct 9 2005, 10:32
SebastianG Oh, I noticed a small bug: The dsd file size must ... Oct 9 2005, 11:06
tarsier So is it theoretically possible to convert the PCM... Dec 24 2006, 20:33
putanik QUOTE (tarsier @ Dec 24 2006, 13:33) So i... Dec 24 2006, 22:54
tarsier Thanks for the link. But right now, I'm only ... Dec 26 2006, 16:28
Kees de Visser QUOTE (tarsier @ Dec 26 2006, 16:28) In d... Dec 26 2006, 19:03
andyshedd I'm mildly curious how this method compares an... Jan 8 2007, 22:44
frenchglen Is there any updated info about this program? I tr... Jun 8 2009, 15:23
LukeS I am bringing this back form years of being dead. ... Nov 23 2009, 15:56
GeSomeone I think it's in the first post.
QUOTE (Sebasti... Nov 23 2009, 19:12
SebastianG QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Nov 23 2009, 19:12) I ... Nov 23 2009, 20:31
LukeS SebastianG,
Awesome job on the program, my proble... Nov 23 2009, 22:32
vincefalks I am not an expert but it would be cool to compare... Nov 24 2009, 00:17
rpp3po What would be a higher quality approach than 1. co... Nov 24 2009, 02:48
SebastianG QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 23 2009, 22:32) The ou... Nov 24 2009, 10:38
2Bdecided With the huge caveat that I made no attempt to do ... Nov 24 2009, 12:40
vincefalks The noise is indeed a problem with the DSD format ... Nov 24 2009, 13:07
rpp3po The problem with the "most accurate capture... Nov 24 2009, 14:01
vincefalks QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 24 2009, 15:01) The p... Nov 24 2009, 14:25

Canar QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 24 2009, 08:25) I... Nov 24 2009, 15:49

rpp3po Raw DSD means saving about 3 GB per 70 minute ster... Nov 24 2009, 17:23

BOBCHEWIE QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 24 2009, 10:23) Raw D... Jan 3 2010, 12:14

rpp3po QUOTE (BOBCHEWIE @ Jan 3 2010, 12:14) scr... Jan 3 2010, 14:15

Axon QUOTE (BOBCHEWIE @ Jan 3 2010, 05:14) QUO... Jan 3 2010, 14:22

Martel QUOTE (BOBCHEWIE @ Jan 3 2010, 12:14) ...... Jan 4 2010, 09:53
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 24 2009, 08:01) DSD h... Nov 24 2009, 15:46
LukeS QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 24 2009, 08:01) The p... Nov 24 2009, 21:39
rpp3po QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 24 2009, 21:39) 48kHz ... Nov 25 2009, 03:00

LukeS QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 24 2009, 21:00) QUOTE... Nov 25 2009, 04:20

Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 24 2009, 22:20) QUOTE ... Nov 25 2009, 05:25

LukeS QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Nov 24 2009, 23... Nov 25 2009, 05:29

Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 24 2009, 23:29) Also I... Nov 25 2009, 05:55
vincefalks QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 24 2009, 22:39) I am v... Nov 25 2009, 08:02
knutinh QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 24 2009, 21:39) Also t... Nov 25 2009, 08:36
Axon Look into the dynamic range of SACD at 22khz somet... Nov 24 2009, 21:56
2Bdecided QUOTE (Axon @ Nov 25 2009, 03:59) Sorry f... Nov 25 2009, 12:13
udauda QUOTE (Axon @ Nov 24 2009, 19:59) You... Nov 26 2009, 02:31
2Bdecided QUOTE (udauda @ Nov 26 2009, 01:31) Does ... Nov 26 2009, 11:46
vincefalks QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 26 2009, 12:46) Li... Nov 26 2009, 12:02
rpp3po Yawn! Am I really the last one to get where t... Nov 26 2009, 12:37
vincefalks QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 26 2009, 13:37) Yawn... Nov 26 2009, 13:10
rpp3po At least you seem believe the life-like-analog-sou... Nov 26 2009, 13:25
vincefalks QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 26 2009, 14:25) At le... Nov 26 2009, 13:40
LukeS QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 25 2009, 02:02) Q... Nov 25 2009, 09:16
SebastianG QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 25 2009, 09:16) See th... Nov 25 2009, 10:32
knutinh QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 25 2009, 09:16) DST wo... Nov 25 2009, 18:02
simmconn QUOTE DST would work but I have not found a no low... Nov 26 2009, 01:31
vincefalks QUOTE (simmconn @ Nov 26 2009, 02:31) QUO... Nov 26 2009, 03:38
rpp3po Sorry, if I didn't express myself clearly enou... Nov 25 2009, 12:04
Axon It's a surprisingly well known mod, actually. ... Nov 25 2009, 19:38
rpp3po I find it interesting, nevertheless. What equipmen... Nov 25 2009, 20:38
LukeS Wow, I really am messing thing up lately ; I got ... Nov 26 2009, 07:27
simmconn And I just spent one and a half hours to encode an... Nov 26 2009, 08:16
2Bdecided Yes, the distortions of SACD are inaudible. Especi... Nov 26 2009, 15:57
Canar So that's what they mean by "warm" s... Nov 26 2009, 16:22
Axon If SACD really did have a similar distortion profi... Nov 26 2009, 21:14
SebastianG Just for kicks and giggles I rewrote most of ... Nov 27 2009, 03:26
vincefalks QUOTE (SebastianG @ Nov 27 2009, 03:26) J... Nov 27 2009, 03:44
SebastianG QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 27 2009, 03:44) T... Nov 27 2009, 04:14

vincefalks QUOTE (SebastianG @ Nov 27 2009, 04:14) S... Nov 27 2009, 05:11

Kees de Visser There seems to be a growing (niche) market for onl... Nov 27 2009, 09:02

2Bdecided QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 27 2009, 04:11) N... Nov 27 2009, 10:59

rpp3po QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 27 2009, 05:11) N... Nov 27 2009, 12:55


2Bdecided QUOTE (rpp3po @ Nov 27 2009, 11:55) An an... Nov 27 2009, 13:00

krabapple QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 26 2009, 23:11) T... Nov 29 2009, 03:56
rpp3po QUOTE (vincefalks @ Nov 27 2009, 03:44) H... Nov 27 2009, 04:16
LukeS QUOTE (SebastianG @ Nov 26 2009, 21:26) J... Nov 27 2009, 07:33
smack QUOTE (LukeS @ Nov 27 2009, 07:33) Window... Nov 27 2009, 11:00
.halverhahn DXD is PCM - just with a bunch of noise above 48kH... Nov 27 2009, 15:34
rpp3po Wow! The DXD track is certainly nothing Bruce ... Nov 27 2009, 17:47
spoon As the noise is constant this shows the levels qui... Nov 29 2009, 20:54
spoon QUOTE The final amusing aspect to all this is that... Nov 29 2009, 22:51
krabapple QUOTE (spoon @ Nov 29 2009, 16:51) QUOTE ... Nov 30 2009, 06:33
spoon Based on Sebastians good work I have wrapped the d... Dec 1 2009, 17:49
kode54 @spoon: I presume you modified the stage 1 filter ... Dec 1 2009, 19:55
spoon I thought it was a command line option on dsd2pcm? Dec 1 2009, 20:15
kode54 QUOTE (spoon @ Dec 1 2009, 11:15) I thoug... Dec 7 2009, 15:32
krabapple This is all peachy for those recording DSD files o... Dec 2 2009, 06:56
BOBCHEWIE QUOTE (krabapple @ Dec 1 2009, 23:56) Thi... Jan 3 2010, 13:33
spoon I might be wrong, but I do not think there are any... Dec 2 2009, 09:55
krabapple QUOTE (spoon @ Dec 2 2009, 03:55) I might... Dec 2 2009, 17:23
Martel QUOTE There are three types of SACDs[9]:
* Hy... Dec 2 2009, 10:35
.halverhahn Just for your information: Wheatus is offering The... Dec 2 2009, 11:38
2Bdecided QUOTE (.halverhahn @ Dec 2 2009, 10:38) J... Dec 2 2009, 15:11
vincefalks Ok finally my warning was lifted after a little si... Dec 7 2009, 17:55
krabapple QUOTE (vincefalks @ Dec 7 2009, 11:55) QU... Dec 7 2009, 18:26
2Bdecided QUOTE (vincefalks @ Dec 7 2009, 16:55) I... Dec 7 2009, 18:33
spoon Did anyone manage to decode a .dsf file? (such as ... Dec 8 2009, 10:21
Martel A (square analog) pulse has an infinitely wide spe... Dec 7 2009, 18:26
udauda I wonder, how come Pro-DSD never comes up with a s... Jan 4 2010, 13:39
rpp3po Excellent paper, thanks! Jan 4 2010, 14:31
krabapple I remember this one from a few years back....I for... Jan 8 2010, 22:05
ElfeJoyeux Hello,
I just discovered this awesome topic durin... Mar 11 2010, 22:34
Hobbit13 QUOTE (ElfeJoyeux @ Mar 11 2010, 22:34) T... Jul 19 2010, 10:48
Sik_Lescinovid Has anyone so far noticed that when creating a 24 ... Nov 27 2011, 18:28![]() ![]() |
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