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freeformat at 640 kbps and foobar2000, possibilities?
Wintershade
post Nov 15 2005, 22:33
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Is it possible to play freeformat mp3 at 640 kbps in foobar? If yes, how? If not, why?

I don't actually intend to use something like this, I'm just collecting some information for my college project.

Many thanks.

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JWolf
post Nov 28 2006, 06:56
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I just compared 320k and 640k from an LPCM 16-bit DvD audio rip and the sound difference is not great at all. Not worth the roughly double size. besides, the latest oggenc will encode at -q 10 about 1/2 the size and it will sound better.
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post Nov 28 2006, 08:53
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QUOTE (JWolf @ Nov 28 2006, 07:56) *
I just compared 320k and 640k from an LPCM 16-bit DvD audio rip and the sound difference is not great at all. Not worth the roughly double size. besides, the latest oggenc will encode at -q 10 about 1/2 the size and it will sound better.


You hear sound difference between 320kbit and 640kbit mp3? Care to ABX it?
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post Dec 1 2006, 02:07
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QUOTE (hlloyge @ Nov 28 2006, 02:53) *
QUOTE (JWolf @ Nov 28 2006, 07:56) *

I just compared 320k and 640k from an LPCM 16-bit DVD audio rip and the sound difference is not great at all. Not worth the roughly double size. besides, the latest oggenc will encode at -q 10 about 1/2 the size and it will sound better.


You hear sound difference between 320kbit and 640kbit mp3? Care to ABX it?

I forgot to mention I did blind testing. I put Winamp on shuffle and repeat and minimized it so I would not know which track it's playing. I also have my taskbar hidden so I cannot see that and know which was which. I used Phish Live in Brooklyn and the track Sample in a Jar as the test track. I was able to pick out the 640k track about 75% (rough estimate) of the time. As I see it, going to 640K is not worth the extra in file size. The format just doesn't handle it well. Unless of course, the MAD plugin is at fault.

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QUOTE (JWolf @ Dec 1 2006, 03:07) *
I forgot to mention I did blind testing. I put Winamp on shuffle and repeat and minimized it so I would not know which track it's playing. I also have my taskbar hidden so I cannot see that and know which was which. I used Phish Live in Brooklyn and the track Sample in a Jar as the test track. I was able to pick out the 640k track about 75% (rough estimate) of the time. As I see it, going to 640K is not worth the extra in file size. The format just doesn't handle it well. Unless of course, the MAD plugin is at fault.


That's not ABXing, and there is no proof except your word. Please, do ABX testing, I think there is howto on wiki, also you can use Foobar2000, it has ABX capabilities.
I find it very hard to believe you could differentiate original from 320kbit, not to mention 640 vs 320.
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post Dec 1 2006, 20:52
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QUOTE (hlloyge @ Dec 1 2006, 02:53) *
QUOTE (JWolf @ Dec 1 2006, 03:07) *

I forgot to mention I did blind testing. I put Winamp on shuffle and repeat and minimized it so I would not know which track it's playing. I also have my taskbar hidden so I cannot see that and know which was which. I used Phish Live in Brooklyn and the track Sample in a Jar as the test track. I was able to pick out the 640k track about 75% (rough estimate) of the time. As I see it, going to 640K is not worth the extra in file size. The format just doesn't handle it well. Unless of course, the MAD plugin is at fault.


That's not ABXing, and there is no proof except your word. Please, do ABX testing, I think there is howto on wiki, also you can use Foobar2000, it has ABX capabilities.
I find it very hard to believe you could differentiate original from 320kbit, not to mention 640 vs 320.


I can't use foobar. It won't handle 640k mp3.

Please tell me how to do a proper ABX using Winamp which is all I have that will play a 640k mp3 file.
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post Dec 1 2006, 21:35
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QUOTE (JWolf @ Dec 1 2006, 19:52) *
I can't use foobar. It won't handle 640k mp3.

Please tell me how to do a proper ABX using Winamp which is all I have that will play a 640k mp3 file.

Decode the file to .wav with winamp and use Foobar2000 for the ABX test.

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- Wintershade   freeformat at 640 kbps and foobar2000   Nov 15 2005, 22:33
- - kalmark   Yes, IIRC. foo_mad, IIRC. Edit: Garf probably kno...   Nov 15 2005, 22:34
- - Garf   Not possible.   Nov 15 2005, 23:11
- - JWolf   QUOTE (Wintershade @ Nov 15 2005, 16:33) ...   Nov 28 2006, 06:17
- - Canar   At 640kbps, there is no sensible reason to use MP3...   Nov 28 2006, 06:32
|- - Gabriel   QUOTE (Canar @ Nov 28 2006, 06:32) Freefo...   Nov 28 2006, 10:23
- - JWolf   I just compared 320k and 640k from an LPCM 16-bit ...   Nov 28 2006, 06:56
|- - digital   QUOTE (JWolf @ Nov 28 2006, 00:56) I just...   Nov 28 2006, 08:36
||- - JWolf   QUOTE (digital @ Nov 28 2006, 02:36) QUOT...   Dec 1 2006, 02:20
|- - hlloyge   QUOTE (JWolf @ Nov 28 2006, 07:56) I just...   Nov 28 2006, 08:53
|- - JWolf   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Nov 28 2006, 02:53) QUOT...   Dec 1 2006, 02:07
|- - hlloyge   QUOTE (JWolf @ Dec 1 2006, 03:07) I forgo...   Dec 1 2006, 08:53
|- - JWolf   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Dec 1 2006, 02:53) QUOTE...   Dec 1 2006, 20:52
|- - evereux   QUOTE (JWolf @ Dec 1 2006, 19:52) I can...   Dec 1 2006, 21:35
|- - JWolf   QUOTE (evereux @ Dec 1 2006, 15:35) QUOTE...   Dec 16 2006, 20:29
- - HbG   If it is compliant, does that mean it is in theory...   Nov 28 2006, 13:01
- - robert   Freeformat is CBR by nature.   Nov 28 2006, 13:24
- - Klyith   QUOTE (HbG @ Nov 28 2006, 07:01) If it is...   Nov 28 2006, 18:17
- - Canar   Thanks for the correction, Gabriel.   Nov 29 2006, 00:51
- - JWolf   640k mp3 vs. 320k mp3 round 1 QUOTE foo_abx 1.3.1...   Dec 16 2006, 21:47
- - Firon   The correct way to interpret that is that you were...   Dec 16 2006, 21:50
- - dv1989   Firon's right. Not many people are going to cl...   Dec 17 2006, 00:17
|- - JWolf   QUOTE (dv1989 @ Dec 16 2006, 18:17) Firon...   Dec 18 2006, 12:20
- - dv1989   As far as I know, ABX testing is intended to prove...   Dec 18 2006, 12:48

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