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Multiformat Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED
Sebastian Mares
post Jan 14 2006, 22:01
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The much awaited results of the Public, Multiformat Listening Test @ 128 kbps are ready.

Here is the results page: http://www.maresweb.de/listening-tests/mf-128-1/results.htm



Edit 1: A description of the mentioned Nero problem can be found here: http://www.maresweb.de/nero-problem

Edit 2: For people who want to decrypt their results, here are the encoder IDs:

1 = iTunes
2 = LAME
3 = Nero
4 = Shine
5 = AoTuV
6 = WMA Professiona

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yulyo!
post Jan 15 2006, 16:11
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Yes bond, it seems you're right.
every time some test is released, nero have some problems. "it was the old old version", "the new one has a bug", "but the one we will release will be the best. Maybe i shoud switch to Ogg crying.gif
I think i will.

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post Jan 15 2006, 17:03
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QUOTE (yulyo! @ Jan 15 2006, 07:11 AM)
Yes bond, it seems you're right.
every time some test is released, nero have some problems. "it was the old old version", "the new one has a bug", "but the one we will release will be the best. Maybe i shoud switch to Ogg crying.gif
I think i will.
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Maybe somebody will move to ogg. But many people wil stay with MP3/AAC.
Some guys have already said about compability. AAC and OGG are tight in this test. IMHO AAC is the best tradeoff quality/compability.

Let's see globally.
1. CT has a good HE-AAC v1 and v2 codec but not LC-AAC
2. iTunes has a best LC-AAC but not HE-AAC (not SBR neither PS)
3. Nero has 2d place LA-AAC and first available VBR HE-AAC v1 and v2 both.

It's dificult to develop 2 profiles at the same time. But Nero is in great position. wink.gif

I think it's not good idea for cinysm like "Nero sucks" . A little respect was always welcome.

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post Jan 15 2006, 17:27
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QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 15 2006, 05:03 PM)
AAC is the best tradeoff quality/compability.
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That's interesting smile.gif Could I get the list of compatible AAC players? When I was interested of changing my own player (I finally repaired it), I found several Vorbis players but only few AAC ones. And all of them were made by one company. There are now products like phones or game device compatible with AAC even here the list is rather small compared to Vorbis players. And price of such device is often dissuasive.

Here is the list of compatible Vorbis players:
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/StaticPlayers

Is there any way to get the (longer) list of AAC players? I'm interested to get one. Thanks smile.gif
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post Jan 15 2006, 17:59
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 15 2006, 08:27 AM)
That's interesting smile.gif Could I get the list of compatible AAC players?


The iPod family is AAC compatible of course, so in terms of market share AAC is a lot more widespread than OGG Vorbis. Then there's the emerging cell phone market which also excludes OGG in favor of AAC (Phones from Motorola, Sony Ericsson & Nokia are all AAC compatible). Then there's the PSP, which seems to support everything but OGG.. The list of OGG Vorbis players is fairly long, but most of them I haven't even heard of. I would say AAC is much much more future proof than OGG, simply because of its big user base and company support, excluding all the cheap Asian stuff.

This is not a bash of OGG. I think it's a great format, but I wouldn't encode my music with it if I were into portable DAP's.

Just my 2
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post Jan 15 2006, 18:07
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QUOTE (Busemann @ Jan 15 2006, 07:59 PM)
I would say AAC is much much more future proof than OGG, simply because of its big user base and company support, excluding all the cheap Asian stuff
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I wouldn't say that only because market needs something absolutely royalty free, and that is the strongest point of Vorbis. Why pay for a standardised format when you can pay nothing at all and have the same quality? You can't discard that so easily.

Also, where did you read AAC has big user base? smile.gif

And another one: those "cheap Asian stuff" companies use the same chips as iPods, if not better. Almost all of the chips are produced in Asia.


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- Sebastian Mares   Multiformat Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED   Jan 14 2006, 22:01
- - minisu   Great job! *goes decrypting*   Jan 14 2006, 22:05
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Just a quick info regarding the Nero bug - unfortu...   Jan 14 2006, 22:11
- - skelly831   Wow! awesome results, it's interesting to ...   Jan 14 2006, 22:18
- - ff123   How about making a hyperlink to the page describin...   Jan 14 2006, 22:21
- - Sebastian Mares   By the way, results that were invalid (didn't ...   Jan 14 2006, 22:22
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|- - Shade[ST]   Also a question / comment. Is Itunes' encoder...   Jan 14 2006, 22:42
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