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Rockbox for the Ipod finally working, Well, MP3/AAC play at lease :)
saratoga
post Jan 29 2006, 02:35
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Rockbox boots and appears to be stable on the iPod Color/Photo, the Nano and the Video. Plugins and codecs work, including audio on the Color/Photo and Nano. There is no audio on the Video yet.


http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort

And from the IRC channel:

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mp3, aac, wavpack, ac3, wav are all OK.  Ogg and ALAC need a little optimising, FLAC has some memory alignment bugs to fix.


Amazing work, the entire Ipod project started just a few months ago, and it appears that people are submitting updates for the ipod port almost daily.

I have a 3G, which isn't supported, but it looks like someone is working on that too, so maybe I'll get to try it out soon smile.gif
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post Jan 29 2006, 09:15
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i could care less for aesthetics. Rockbox is easy to use, works as external USB drive for fast transferring, and plays back gaplessly, has replaygain support, and supports many more file types than the ipod firmware.

Rockbox is made to be a damn good audio player firmware, not a "hip" item that only has basic music playing abilities.

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post Jan 29 2006, 13:50
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QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 AM)
i could care less for aesthetics.

I really wasn't talking about aesthetics.

QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 AM)
Rockbox is easy to use, works as external USB drive for fast transferring, and plays back gaplessly, has replaygain support, and supports many more file types than the ipod firmware.

External USB drive = So does the iPod, and without any drivers on the PC.
Gapless = I really don't need it, although I realize many people disagree with this assessment. It would be nice, but it's not really necessary.
ReplayGain = The iPod firmware has it too, in the form of SoundCheck (foo_pod actually uses real ReplayGain info in there instead).
File Types = If it plays my files, why would I care that it can play a dozen other types? I have MP3 and AAC files, and both can play those, right?

QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 AM)
Rockbox is made to be a damn good audio player firmware, not a "hip" item that only has basic music playing abilities.

The problem is that I'm not seeing where Rockbox is any better than the iPod at playing my music. It seems to lack realtime rule-based dynamic playlist support, for one thing. That's a deal breaker for me, personally, as nearly all my music is played back via Smart Playlists on the iPod firmware.

My point is that most of the features I see in Rockbox have very little to do with playing back music at all. File Management, several games, recording, a text file reader, custom font support, screensavers... None of these seem oriented at music playback or management. It has very basic playlist support, lots of extraneous format support, weird stuff like "speaking menus" (which I admit is cool), but in the end it doesn't seem to be any better at playing music than the iPod is by default. In fact, it lacks many important features that I use a lot. And yes, the interface for Rockbox is nowhere near advanced as the iPod's is, for the specific purpose of selecting and playing back music. If I want to play a whole artist, or album, or genre, or even my favorite tunes that I have not listened to in the last 2 weeks, these are just a couple button presses away on the iPod.

Like I said, I agree than Rockbox is far better than the Archos or iRiver firmware, for example, but it really doesn't seem to offer a lot when stacked up against the iPod firmware. One big benefit is that it is open sourced, and so it one day might be up to par, but I'm not seeing it at the moment, that's all.


Oh, and the goal of my original post was not to cause controversy or troll or anything like that, I was kinda hoping somebody could point out something I was missing, like some cool must-have feature that the iPod lacks normally.

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post Jan 29 2006, 14:46
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QUOTE (Otto42 @ Jan 29 2006, 11:50 PM)
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Oh, and the goal of my original post was not to cause controversy or troll or anything like that, I was kinda hoping somebody could point out something I was missing, like some cool must-have feature that the iPod lacks normally.
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Well it's more about being able to have a DAP that can conform to how you've been using music on your PC, rather than the other way around. I've been playing round with ogg, aac, LAME, wavpack etc on my pc and it was just damn nice to get a DAP that I could simply treat like an extension of that (a rockboxed iriver h120).

If I got an iPod and there were no rockbox for it, then sure, there are good workarounds to transcode (etc) the non-playable files into something Apple thinks I should've be using in the first place. But it's at least nice to have the alternative to simply dump your files of whatever format on the thing and just have it (via alternative firmware) play them.

Rockbox for iPod will matter little for people who've already set themselves up to use the formats that Apple has benighted, or who've got the CPU time to transcode etc via your own excellent foobar component. If you've already conformed yourself to Apple's choices then rockbox offers you nothing new and then fine, don't use it. But it's a great boon to first-time DAP owners like me who just want a DAP that will do everything that it's CPU makes it capable of doing. Apple chose to constrain the iPod's capabilities for commercial reasons. It's nice to free the thing up if that better suits your existing habits.

Other points:

1) it's not a choice between Apple and Rockbox firmware; the rockbox bootloaders make it a dual-boot system. (though the iPod native database format and Rockbox's directory-based filing approach are incompatible, to be sure)

2) the new GUI features are in it's early stages, there wasn't even colour support until a month or two ago. it's early early early alpha days, so it's far to early to make any comparisons about this.

3) you're completely correct about smart playlists. iPod users who are used to them will miss them. But again it's early days for the iPod port, and I'd bet good money that someone who misses them (but likes everything else about Rockbox) will come up with something similar before the end of this year.

Basically, satisfied iPod users shouldn't be overly excited by Rockbox, and Rockbox enthusiasts should be mindful of this. But personally I now know my next DAP will probably be an iPod, because now I can change it to suit me. To each their own.
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- Mike Giacomelli   Rockbox for the Ipod finally working   Jan 29 2006, 02:35
- - kwanbis   oh my!!!!!!!!   Jan 29 2006, 03:18
- - Cyaneyes   Very good news. I use Rockbox on my H340, and like...   Jan 29 2006, 03:44
|- - Mr_Rabid_Teddybear   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jan 28 2006, 06:44 PM)Very ...   Jan 29 2006, 04:43
- - Mike Giacomelli   Heh just saw this on CVS: QUOTE Prevent unaligned...   Jan 29 2006, 03:56
- - unfortunateson   I might need to sell my H140, if the Ipod port gai...   Jan 29 2006, 04:56
|- - Otto42   QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jan 28 2006, 10:56 PM...   Jan 29 2006, 08:31
- - Eli   now if they would just get MPC support Id be in he...   Jan 29 2006, 05:35
- - Farpenoodle   If they could get it running on the mini anytime s...   Jan 29 2006, 06:03
- - unfortunateson   i could care less for aesthetics. Rockbox is easy...   Jan 29 2006, 09:15
|- - Otto42   QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 AM...   Jan 29 2006, 13:50
|- - davechapman   Not many people would try to argue that the iTunes...   Jan 29 2006, 14:33
|- - Cpt. Spandrel   QUOTE (Otto42 @ Jan 29 2006, 11:50 PM)(snip) ...   Jan 29 2006, 14:46
||- - fairway   Read here how to install Rockbox on your iPod http...   Jan 29 2006, 17:41
|- - bhangraman   QUOTE (Otto42 @ Jan 29 2006, 04:50 AM)Like I ...   Feb 3 2006, 00:49
|- - Cpt. Spandrel   QUOTE (bhangraman @ Feb 3 2006, 10:49 AM)QUOT...   Feb 3 2006, 02:37
- - keytotime   Flac is working now, and also the port for the H14...   Jan 29 2006, 14:38
- - kritip   Well, i installed it on my nano... it crashed on ...   Jan 29 2006, 19:10
|- - davechapman   QUOTE (kritip @ Jan 29 2006, 10:10 AM)Well, i...   Jan 29 2006, 20:50
- - kritip   Hi, Correct, with regards to gapless playback, it...   Jan 29 2006, 21:31
|- - davechapman   QUOTE (kritip @ Jan 29 2006, 12:31 PM)Hi, Co...   Jan 29 2006, 21:46
- - neomoe   FINALLY! :-D   Jan 29 2006, 21:35
- - neomoe   one question: how are the files accessed, by folde...   Jan 29 2006, 21:53
|- - davechapman   QUOTE (neomoe @ Jan 29 2006, 12:53 PM)one que...   Jan 29 2006, 22:10
|- - Otto42   QUOTE (davechapman @ Jan 29 2006, 04:10 PM)Ro...   Jan 30 2006, 07:51
- - kritip   I just downloaded the lastest version, and can con...   Jan 29 2006, 22:15
- - boiling_ice2k4   Wow, this is good news indeed. Hopefully I'll...   Jan 29 2006, 23:20
- - bryant   Kritip: There was a bug that would cause mpc playb...   Jan 29 2006, 23:49
|- - davechapman   QUOTE (bryant @ Jan 29 2006, 02:49 PM)I tried...   Jan 30 2006, 00:14
|- - bryant   QUOTE (davechapman @ Jan 29 2006, 03:14 PM)Th...   Jan 30 2006, 00:58
|- - davechapman   QUOTE (bryant @ Jan 29 2006, 03:58 PM)I updat...   Jan 30 2006, 03:34
|- - bryant   QUOTE (davechapman @ Jan 29 2006, 06:34 PM)Th...   Jan 30 2006, 05:13
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|- - davechapman   QUOTE (zamel @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 PM)So, toda...   Jan 30 2006, 00:36
|- - davechapman   QUOTE (zamel @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 PM)Great, t...   Jan 31 2006, 03:00
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|- - eisa01   QUOTE (preglow @ Jan 30 2006, 03:06 AM)QUOTE ...   Jan 30 2006, 12:11
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- - vinnie97   don't rub it in...the ever-diminishing, nonrep...   Jan 30 2006, 23:00
|- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jan 30 2006, 03:00 PM)don...   Jan 31 2006, 02:21
|- - vinnie97   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Jan 30 2006, 05:21 P...   Jan 31 2006, 08:45
- - kwanbis   hehe   Jan 30 2006, 23:47
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