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Your lossy codec of choice in 2006?, Format popularity |
 Apr 8 2006, 13:44
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No change for me so far : wavpack lossy for regular use and mp3 for my ipod.
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 Apr 8 2006, 13:46
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QUOTE (krmathis @ Apr 8 2006, 05:01 PM)  The few times I encode to a lossy format I use AAC. First of all because its available out-of-the-box in my favorite audio player, Apple iTunes. But also because its one of the best lossy encoders out there. READ THIS! Comparison between all lossy Format Eveything is said over here! About the LEADER IN AUDIO LOSSY COMPRESSION! VORBIS... -------------------- The virtue of love isnt finding the perfect person, but by loving the imperfect person perfectly.
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Apr 8 2006, 14:04
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NeDtHeOnE. Are you serious?
 The article you point to is over 3 1/2 years old. "Posted on Sun Sep 8th, 2002 at 11:47:02 PM GMT" Nothing wrong with Ogg Vorbis, but its no option for an iPod user like me. |
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Apr 8 2006, 14:11
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QUOTE (krmathis @ Apr 8 2006, 06:34 PM) NeDtHeOnE. Are you serious? The article you point to is over 3 1/2 years old. "Posted on Sun Sep 8th, 2002 at 11:47:02 PM GMT" Nothing wrong with Ogg Vorbis, but its no option for an iPod user like me. Yeah ... U can go with your lossy codec But its true , even the latest comparisons ...(had seen it somewhere) show that .. AoTuV b4.51 leads @ most of the bitrates... -------------------- The virtue of love isnt finding the perfect person, but by loving the imperfect person perfectly.
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Apr 8 2006, 14:19
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I'm a Vorbis fan, have been since I start using Aoyumi's tunings. My first DAP was the Rio Karma, so it made sense to use Vorbis becuase of it's patchy LAME gapless playback. Now I've got a 30gb iPod with Rockbox on and it works like a charm
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Apr 8 2006, 14:20
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Group: Members Posts: 742 Joined: 27-May 02 From: Oslo, Norway Member No.: 2133 |
NeDtHeOnE. You missed the most important part of my original post!
 "The few times I encode to a lossy format I use AAC." |
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Apr 8 2006, 14:31
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QUOTE (NeDtHeOnE @ Apr 8 2006, 05:11 AM) QUOTE (krmathis @ Apr 8 2006, 06:34 PM) NeDtHeOnE. Are you serious? The article you point to is over 3 1/2 years old. "Posted on Sun Sep 8th, 2002 at 11:47:02 PM GMT" Nothing wrong with Ogg Vorbis, but its no option for an iPod user like me. Yeah ... U can go with your lossy codec But its true , even the latest comparisons ...(had seen it somewhere) show that .. AoTuV b4.51 leads @ most of the bitrates... Some people are nuts thinking that vorbis / aac is immune to problem samples. Get real, maybe at 500kbps but at 192k there will be some limited samples. I remember a year or so ago people were finding problems for q6 or more regularly. So use what you will but there is no need to claim superiority at high bitrates when all codecs are close. |
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 Apr 8 2006, 19:35
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Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Mangalore Member No.: 28197 |
QUOTE (shadowking @ Apr 8 2006, 07:01 PM) QUOTE (NeDtHeOnE @ Apr 8 2006, 05:11 AM) QUOTE (krmathis @ Apr 8 2006, 06:34 PM) NeDtHeOnE. Are you serious? The article you point to is over 3 1/2 years old. "Posted on Sun Sep 8th, 2002 at 11:47:02 PM GMT" Nothing wrong with Ogg Vorbis, but its no option for an iPod user like me. Yeah ... U can go with your lossy codec But its true , even the latest comparisons ...(had seen it somewhere) show that .. AoTuV b4.51 leads @ most of the bitrates... Some people are nuts thinking that vorbis / aac is immune to problem samples. Get real, maybe at 500kbps but at 192k there will be some limited samples. I remember a year or so ago people were finding problems for q6 or more regularly. So use what you will but there is no need to claim superiority at high bitrates when all codecs are close.  It is true that @ Higher bitrates all are very similar but not BETTER than Vorbis. And at Low Bitrates Vorbis rules. Specially @ -q 2 ! For LAME MP3 to be Descent enough You have to rip @ 192 vbr ... But for Vorbis .. q4 is MORE than enough -------------------- The virtue of love isnt finding the perfect person, but by loving the imperfect person perfectly.
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Apr 8 2006, 19:52
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Still using MP3!
Waiting a few years for OGG Vorbis hardware, but disappointed. I got a FrontierLabs NEX II and NEX IA, both of them announced "may support OGG by firmware upgrade" but in vain. I don't want to bring a hard disk outdoor, a CF or SD is a better alternative. This post has been edited by johnsonlam: Apr 8 2006, 19:53 -------------------- Hong Kong - International Joke Center (after 1997-06-30)
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Apr 8 2006, 21:03
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iAudio has plenty flash-based player that might suit you. Few of them has Vorbis support.
Triza QUOTE (johnsonlam @ Apr 8 2006, 10:52 AM) Still using MP3!
Waiting a few years for OGG Vorbis hardware, but disappointed. I got a FrontierLabs NEX II and NEX IA, both of them announced "may support OGG by firmware upgrade" but in vain. I don't want to bring a hard disk outdoor, a CF or SD is a better alternative. |
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Apr 8 2006, 21:09
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QUOTE It is true that @ Higher bitrates all are very similar but not BETTER than Vorbis. prove it.
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Apr 8 2006, 22:12
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I don't think it's possible to prove what is *not* the case (i.e. that God doesn't exist), only what can be verified scentifically...maybe if you rephrased it. "Prove that Vorbis is inferior to other codecs at high bitrates," which, less face it, is also hard to do....especially when there is already evidence from the likes of Guru that Vorbis is king near 200 kbps....
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Apr 8 2006, 22:59
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QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Apr 8 2006, 11:12 PM) I don't think it's possible to prove what is *not* the case (i.e. that God doesn't exist), only what can be verified scentifically...maybe if you rephrased it. "Prove that Vorbis is inferior to other codecs at high bitrates," which, less face it, is also hard to do....especially when there is already evidence from the likes of Guru that Vorbis is king near 200 kbps.... Well, without getting too philosophical here, you can start testing from say 64 kbps, all formats against each other and then move on up through the bitrates. You'll most likely find that Vorbis is on top all the way from 64 kbps to 160 kbps. At ~192 kbps I think you'd be very hard pressed not to score all contestants 5.0s. The conclusions you would probably draw from such a test would be that Vorbis and AAC become transparent at roughly 140 kbps (depending on how well trained your ears are, of course) and MP3 and WMA need something like 192 kbps to become transparent. In other words, saying that one format is better than an other at a high bitrate such as 192 kbps is pointless, unless you can actually hear a difference. (Hey there, bat-ears!) However, we can presume that the formats which for most music are transparent already at ~140 kbps will have fewer "problem samples" at 192 than those formats which for music in general become transparent at 192. -------------------- davidnaylor.org
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Apr 8 2006, 23:35
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good points!
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Apr 9 2006, 11:57
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Not really good points. At the last listening test all contestants were tied at 128 kbps, and all scored an average above 4.5. So making a generalized statement that MP3 is worse than Vorbis or AAC at 128 kbps is plain false without backing this up with your own listening test. Besides a few problem samples, you will be hard pressed to find any real disturbing differences at 128 kbps.
I use Vorbis BTW. This post has been edited by stephanV: Apr 9 2006, 12:07 -------------------- "We cannot win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win."
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Apr 9 2006, 12:56
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 I seem to to be the only one in here that has about 2000 albums all in WMA at 192Kbps. Do I seem stupid? Well, I may very well be one. But all I know is that not even with Lame can MP3 at the same Bitrate be better than WMA... tested. Any doubts? But I would love to have a Terabyte or two to have this 2000 albums or more on Lossless, because I have an iAudio X5 that can read Flac. And if not that Terabyte solution, then a DAP that can read MPC, and I would very gladly trash the entire collection and have it ripped again, only in MPC.Cheers!
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Apr 9 2006, 13:45
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I switched to Ogg when I got my girlfriend a iRiver H320. Once Rockbox is completed for the H320 we will move to lossless only...cant wait! I am tired of having duplicates for mobility.
This post has been edited by windmiller: Apr 9 2006, 13:46 -------------------- www.losslessaudioblog.com
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Apr 9 2006, 16:07
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lame mp3 until there is a tuned, reliable and free commandline encoder for aac.
LAAC.. Lame ain't an AAC enCoder I'm not going to settle for Nero or iTunes or whatever |
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Apr 9 2006, 19:33
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wavpack lossy @350kbps for archiving purposes; mp3@Lame(preset standard) for my portable player
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Apr 9 2006, 20:36
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QUOTE (Maglor @ Apr 9 2006, 03:56 AM) I seem to to be the only one in here that has about 2000 albums all in WMA at 192Kbps. Do I seem stupid? Well, I may very well be one. But all I know is that not even with Lame can MP3 at the same Bitrate be better than WMA... tested. I would like to see these tests. 
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Apr 9 2006, 20:43
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QUOTE (jmartis @ Apr 9 2006, 12:33 PM) wavpack lossy @350kbps for archiving purposes; mp3@Lame(preset standard) for my portable player Isn't WavPack kinda bad at 350? Er... for transcoding purposes at least? It seems to me that >384 was the magic number. |
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Apr 9 2006, 21:23
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QUOTE (sony666 @ Apr 9 2006, 08:07 AM) lame mp3 until there is a tuned, reliable and free commandline encoder for aac. LAAC.. Lame ain't an AAC enCoder I'm not going to settle for Nero or iTunes or whatever Why not, the iTunes encoder is reliable and free, and can be used as a commandline encoder thru iTunesEncode. The only inconvenience is you have to have iTunes installed. -------------------- we was young an' full of beans
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Apr 9 2006, 22:19
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QUOTE (windmiller @ Apr 9 2006, 06:45 AM) I switched to Ogg when I got my girlfriend a iRiver H320. Once Rockbox is completed for the H320 we will move to lossless only...cant wait! I am tired of having duplicates for mobility. Not that you could hear a difference or anything...
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Apr 10 2006, 00:44
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QUOTE (Supacon @ Apr 9 2006, 11:43 AM) QUOTE (jmartis @ Apr 9 2006, 12:33 PM) wavpack lossy @350kbps for archiving purposes; mp3@Lame(preset standard) for my portable player Isn't WavPack kinda bad at 350? Er... for transcoding purposes at least? It seems to me that >384 was the magic number. There isn't a magic number and bitrates are not really affecting transcoding - at least in my tests. You just go for transparent bitrates (>300k) and 350k is already hitting full transparency. |
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Apr 10 2006, 01:09
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Vorbis. Everthing I own can play Vorbis (well, not my fridge), it's transparent at spacesaving bitrates, it's naturally gapless and got a good and singular tagging system. And almost all decoders support replaygain.
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